AceBandage
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Killadji said:
Well, in GH3 you had to connect once the game started up, as well. It wouldn't automatically connect you.
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Smash Bros Brawl Dojo Official Update Thread: Goodbye, Cherry-don
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Well, in GH3 you had to connect once the game started up, as well. It wouldn't automatically connect you.
AceBandage said:
Seriously that challenge icon thing needs to be a console standard. Same with seeking random matches.
Does this update in any way indicate only one person per wii can play online, or is there something that indicates multiple people on one wii can connect and play vs others? That team battle icon perhaps?
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7936538&postcount=21425Firestorm said:
I guess even I forgot one while I was making this quasi-facetious list. And to think I was trying to be thorough.Jiggy37 in September said:
(Only "quasi" because I really do believe the lag, voice chat, control style, and C stick reasons will come up.)
CreatureX3
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Aww man. The weekend. :-(
ShockingAlberto
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I will bet you $100 that you are wrongWii-za said:I'm going to sleep..
I predict some random blue character tonight...
Bomberman?
layzie1989
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Jiggy37 said:
I can't wait for tonight's update
Diablohead
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Ayane from DOA, you know it's true.
Neodiablo22
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Jiggy37 said:
1.Sequels to fighting games are the same stuff with a small change. This change would be the character specific smashball animations. Sure it will play like a sequel but thats normal for any fighting game
2. more music is worse?
3. thats not a valid complaint until the game comes out. The nintendo wifi games I have played have been fine. Also this game even uses bots as a way to hide connection problems.
4. Voice chat is overrated. Play halo 3 and listen to some of the idiot comments
5. Once again its a fighting game. All fighting games have long and crummy ways to unlock content and artificially create replay value. Your complaint cant be said about all fighting games.
6.Most games have a single control style. They added this so that people can play this game anyways they wanted to. They already stated that the gamecube controller is the superior option.
7.The analog isn't cheap. The attacks are much weaker than if you did it the normal way.
8. got nothing there
Neodiablo22 said:1.Sequels to fighting games are the same stuff with a small change. This change would be the character specific smashball animations. Sure it will play like a sequel but thats normal for any fighting game
2. more music is worse?
3. thats not a valid complaint until the game comes out. The nintendo wifi games I have played have been fine. Also this game even uses bots as a way to hide connection problems.
4. Voice chat is overrated. Play halo 3 and listen to some of the idiot comments
5. Once again its a fighting game. All fighting games have long and crummy ways to unlock content and artificially create replay value. Your complaint cant be said about all fighting games.
6.Most games have a single control style. They added this so that people can play this game anyways they wanted to. They already stated that the gamecube controller is the superior option.
7.The analog isn't cheap. The attacks are much weaker than if you did it the normal way.
8. got nothing there
Just because all fighting games do something doesnt mean smash has to or should. All of those are valid complaints/possiblities except MIDI bitching, which is pointless, and playing too similar to Melee, which we know it isnt.
Christopher
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Wow well Melee didn't get as many 10s as I thought it did looking back on the review scores, and that was pretty awesome/revolutionary for the time. I expect this to do the same as Melee, no more no less...
These aren't my complaints--SSBB is my most wanted game of all-time.Neodiablo22 said:1.Sequels to fighting games are the same stuff with a small change. This change would be the character specific smashball animations. Sure it will play like a sequel but thats normal for any fighting game
2. more music is worse?
3. thats not a valid complaint until the game comes out. The nintendo wifi games I have played have been fine. Also this game even uses bots as a way to hide connection problems.
4. Voice chat is overrated. Play halo 3 and listen to some of the idiot comments
5. Once again its a fighting game. All fighting games have long and crummy ways to unlock content and artificially create replay value. Your complaint cant be said about all fighting games.
6.Most games have a single control style. They added this so that people can play this game anyways they wanted to. They already stated that the gamecube controller is the superior option.
7.The analog isn't cheap. The attacks are much weaker than if you did it the normal way.
8. got nothing there
They're just nitpicks that I expect reviewers to add as reasons why they want to justify a lower score.But in general I agree with you. Traditional series should stick to their traditions, more music is better 100% of the time (which is why I wish more RPGs would use multiple battle themes as Earthbound, Pokemon, Tales of the World, etc. do), lag probably won't be too bad in Brawl, voice chat's overrated indeed, I'd love it if a (good) fighting game (such as Smash) made me play lots of hours to unlock stuff, more control styles are always better, and there's nothing cheap about the C-stick control.
Jiggy37 said:These aren't my complaints--SSBB is my most wanted game of all-time.
But in general I agree with you. Traditional series should stick to their traditions, more music is better 100% of the time (which is why I wish more RPGs would use multiple battle themes as Earthbound, Pokemon, Tales of the World, etc. do), lag probably won't be too bad in Brawl, voice chat's overrated indeed, I'd love it if a (good) fighting game (such as Smash) made me play lots of hours to unlock stuff, more control styles are always better, and there's nothing cheap about the C-stick control.
And nevermind I was mistaken
FUCK, it's Friday night. I was refreshing, hoping for an awesome update.
Well I guess I stayed up until two in the morning for nothing.
Oh, and to throw in my two cents on how Smash will be reviewed, I think most reviews will include the phrases, "While it lacks the depth of other fighters, Brawl is an enjoyable party game," and "Looks good for a Wii game."
Well I guess I stayed up until two in the morning for nothing.
Oh, and to throw in my two cents on how Smash will be reviewed, I think most reviews will include the phrases, "While it lacks the depth of other fighters, Brawl is an enjoyable party game," and "Looks good for a Wii game."
Iam Canadian
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Regarding Brawl's reviews, I honestly think it could go either way. I'll admit, I expected Super Mario Galaxy to do much worse in reviews than it did. I don't expect Galaxy-caliber raves about the game, but I think we can still expect good reviews. Except from Gamespot, at any rate. But since when do we listen to Gamespot?
psycho_snake
I went to WAGs boutique and all I got was a sniff
But there's no ganondorfOdrion said:
The reason why I think he hasnt been unvieled yet is probably because the're going to be unlockable character and Sakurai doesnt want to reveal those characters on the site.
Well, if it makes anyone feel safer, at GameFAQs I've seen Nintendo do site skins for games such as Magical Starsign and Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games, so maybe they'll do one for Brawl.Iam Canadian said:
Edit: I'm being facetious again, in case anyone seriously goes after me on this one while I'm not here.
Neodiablo22 said:
I have to disagree slightly with this notion.
To the untrained eye, a sequel to a fighting game may seem like a rudimentary update, a la a yearly EA Sports franchise update. And sometimes, yes, that may indeed be the case.
But there are also a number of times when a fighting game "sequel" can often be so vastly different from its original, that the often, the only thing that links it to the predecessor is the name, some choice system basics that remain mostly constant and characters. For instance, any body who played pretty much every game in the Samurai Shodown (Spirits) series can tell you that, beyond the first two games, every other game is a separate beast unto itself. You can't just leap in and expect everything you did in the predecessor to link to the new game.
And the more impressions that I've read on Smashboards and the like from "E for All", the more that it seems to be the case here too. A lot of people said that they had to get used to the game all over again through the course of like 2-3 matches before they adjusted, just based on the game system alone; forget how much the characters themselves have often had some drastic changes (YAY BOWSER!
). Because simply, Brawl was not Melee with a new coat of fresh paint with new fixtures, any more than Melee was to the original 64 release. The overall "feel" of the game was quite different from its predecessors. So, it's my overall assessment that if some limey reviewers do INDEED try and pass this game off with anything relating to "more of the same", they're not only hypocrites (due to how they'll score other games higher for the same reason), but they don't do any thing to give credit to just how different of a beast Brawl is from every Smash game that came before it. And that would just do more to prove just how the system of how "professional reviews" operate just does NOT work.
Iam Canadian
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Well, that's the problem, you see. Reviewers don't appreciate all of the subtle but important differences between fighting games. Actually, this can be the case even in other unappreciated genres like, say, shmups, where seemingly minor alterations can drastically affect the gameplay. These genres get hammered when the differences between installments is often much, much greater than the difference between any two EA sports rehashes.
crowphoenix
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I don't know how well the reviews will do, but I think the fact there is such a length of time between the versions of brawl, the reviewers may over look the things that they feel is samey. I imagine it will score in the 8-8.9 range over all, but all the reviews will hail the fun and presentation and the amount of stuff. And over time, word of mouth will push the publics perception into the 9.2s or higher.
ShockingAlberto
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I think the issue is that the perception of Street Fighter II changed things. If you're not a fighting game fan, you likely have no idea why Capcom released so many versions of Street Fighter II as frequently as they did. A lot of reviewers are mid-to-late 20s, so they'd be teenagers when that happened. The way they perceived it is through magazines, where they'd see a new Street Fighter II game reviewed every twelve months. To them, it was like a yearly Madden before we ever conceived of such lunacy as yearly updates. Adding subtitles to the game's title became a joke, like Super Street Fighter II: EX Alpha Of War At Dawn Revolving Psycho vs. Metal Gear Solid Sons of Snake Eating.TreIII said:I have to disagree slightly with this notion.
To the untrained eye, a sequel to a fighting game may seem like a rudimentary update, a la a yearly EA Sports franchise update. And sometimes, yes, that may indeed be the case.
But there are also a number of times when a fighting game "sequel" can often be so vastly different from its original, that the often, the only thing that links it to the predecessor is the name, some choice system basics that remain mostly constant and characters. For instance, any body who played pretty much every game in the Samurai Shodown (Spirits) series can tell you that, beyond the first two games, every other game is a separate beast unto itself. You can't just leap in and expect everything you did in the predecessor to link to the new game.
And the more impressions that I've read on Smashboards and the like from "E for All", the more that it seems to be the case here too. A lot of people said that they had to get used to the game all over again through the course of like 2-3 matches before they adjusted, just based on the game system alone; forget how much the characters themselves have often had some drastic changes (YAY BOWSER!
So, it's my overall assessment that if some limey reviewers do INDEED try and pass this game off with anything relating to "more of the same", they're not only hypocrites (due to how they'll score other games higher for the same reason), but they don't do any thing to give credit to just how different of a beast Brawl is from every Smash game that came before it. And that would just do more to prove just how the system of how "professional reviews" operate just does NOT work.
Now they're predisposed to hating fighting games which are basically the same, but with "more". To them, if you can't change things fundamentally, at least make it so the graphics are a huge improvement. Smash is neither fundamentally changed nor have the graphics made a huge leap, like they did from 64 to Melee. I can very easily see it being torn apart by a few of the "big guys". I doubt any 7s, but some 8s go without saying.
Iam Canadian said:
ShockingAlberto said:
But you see, it wouldn't be but so bad if it was the same across the board. If they got on everything and everyone for doing such a thing, then it would be just a thing that it would come to be expected from reviewers. But no, it's the likes of Musou games, fighting games and Mega Man titles that seem to be the poster child for being "uninspired", while EA Sports updates and 2D Castlevania titles can still get consistently high remarks, seemingly regardless of the fact that their basic game types and styles probably have changed much over the course of a decade.
The hypocrisy just gets under my skin, sometimes.
That's why I think that it should just a thing that game reviewers should do more to just stick with what they know, and evaluate their reviewer street cred based on their experience with the genre, instead of expecting them to be a jack-of-all-trades, and have no real grasp of none.
You know, kinda like how we end up benefiting more from learning from the likes of sp0rsk when it comes to import titles (because he lives there, knows his shit and gets readily access to it), as opposed to a more random joe schmoe who doesn't know what he's doing, has little to no understanding of the Japanese language and then just cries out "THIS SUCKS!" because he's frustrated. You wouldn't trust mr. schmoe with being a credible source of information about an import game, and whether it would be oriented towards your interests. So why do we seemingly settle for less when it comes to "professional reviewers"? If a guy claims to be mainly a player of RPGs, I would perhaps evaluate his opinions more when it comes to a new Final Fantasy, rather than a new Tekken.
When you're a random poster on the likes of GameFAQs and GAF, I suppose you can be held to a different (re: lower) standard. Most of us aren't getting paid, after all. But when you're supposedly a "professional", I would think you're supposed to do more to know about your craft, especially when your personal integrity is on the line in the form of written words in a note-worthy publication. And that, in essence, is probably what is wrong with the game reviewing industry, as whole. There's no real sense that these guys are anything more than want to be portrayed as casual gamers, who can try and be a voice for everyone. Sorry guys...but if it doesn't work in the world of politics, why should I be expected to work for things concerning my entertainment, either?
Son of Godzilla
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The difference between Smash and Street Fighter is that Nintendo has set up the franchise somewhat to be a marquee system defining title, and as such it's kinda expected to be more than a minor update.
I'm not saying it isn't or won't be, but I'm sure I wasn't the only one a bit disappointed that it seems the melee characters are pretty much unchanged considering how improved they originally were in melee.
I'm not saying it isn't or won't be, but I'm sure I wasn't the only one a bit disappointed that it seems the melee characters are pretty much unchanged considering how improved they originally were in melee.
Son of Godzilla said:
At first, I was kinda disappointed too with the unchanged Vets, but Sakurai probably found that it was better to further perfect and balance their already thoroughly tested movesets. That time it would take to totally reinvent each character now can be used to make and test the movesets for the NewComers. We know so far that, they will be minor changes to some of the Vets movesets, like the FLUDD, Gale Bomeragg, etc.
Hopefully, with the change of physiques and minor tweeks the Vets will feel different in the end. Who knows, we may even have to switch up our play styles too.
So basically we don't know if you can change anything besides your character? We know map is determined by lottery; it's a damn shame opposing players who want to play, say, a tourney map can't even explicitly voice their agreement on one because there's no voice chat.
I'm not quite sure what he means for the item selection lottery pick though. If both I and my opponent have "no items" selected, will we play a match with no items?
And there's no mention for the stock/time rules here, except that "You just choose characters and stages" and "You dont have to trouble with any settings" (yeah, thanks). Is every match doomed to a two-minute KO fest?
I'm not quite sure what he means for the item selection lottery pick though. If both I and my opponent have "no items" selected, will we play a match with no items?
And there's no mention for the stock/time rules here, except that "You just choose characters and stages" and "You dont have to trouble with any settings" (yeah, thanks). Is every match doomed to a two-minute KO fest?
Tristam said:
Most people in this thread would have you think map selection and voice chat is overrated. That fact that people need to make excuses for a game with as much stuff in it as this one is baffling to me. There is some stuff missing but there is a lot of greatness in there too. Just dont act like it couldnt be better and that the game is better off without certain options, since thats what really makes Smash. The sheer amount of options.
Gamecocks625
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Have their been any impressions of the Wiimote control method from the E for All conference? I'm curious. I've never owned a smash bros. game before and will be using the Wiimote method for Brawl.
Iam Canadian
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In all honesty, I find it very hard to believe that Sakurai wouldn't let us alter something as simple as the Brawl's rules, even if it was on a lottery system a la the stage select.
Map is determined the same way it is in other Nintendo online games. Every player chooses a map, and then it randomly selects one out of the 2-4 selected maps. Honestly, I like this way. It means I'll get to occasionally play levels that I like and I don't constantly get stuck playing shitty tourney maps. Same with items, I won't constantly get stuck playing shitty no items matches.Tristam said:
I am worried about the rules thing, though. I'd hate to be stuck with nothing but time matches when playing random people. I'm hoping he does it the same way he seems to be doing stages and items, but the, "You don't have to trouble with any settings," line doesn't give me much hope. I guess there's always friend play, but friends aren't always going to be available.
KevinCow said:
This is terrible reasoning for preferring this kind of system. Wouldn't you like it better if you could always play levels you like and not get stuck playing "shitty tourney maps" (always amusing how the anti-tourney rules players are bigger snobs about their preferences than the tourney rules players). What if you could completely circumvent no items matches? Sounds pretty simple and quite appealing, no?
Tristam said:
I love this too. So hypocritical. I'm lucky in that I dont care whether items are on or not but I often find myself actually arguing for tourney players cause casuals are so venomous, as if this is their fighting game because all other fighters nowadays are either too complicated or too old for them. And it happens on any forum in any Smash discussion. Hell tourney players online have more to worry about than casuals, they certain wont be the majority, though people like to think so.
Son of Godzilla
Banned
There's no way they will allow the rules to be alterable, at least not expansively so. The first 99 stock match some asshole sets up is enough of a reason.
The system's better because everyone gets a chance to play the game they like. I'm not against playing no items, tourney stage matches here and there, but I would hate to play this way 90% of the time, which is how it would be if the tourney players had their way.Tristam said:
Except I'm not a casual player, I just hate the shitty tourney rules. And that's exactly why tourney players suck, because they think that anyone who refuses to play by their shitty rules is a casual player.HK-47 said:
Iam Canadian
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Personally, I think that the map-selecting system Sakurai went with is the one that has the best chances of satisfying everyone at least some of the time. That way the online games will neither be predominately "casual" or "tourney-style". At least, in theory.
As for the casual-versus-tourney debate, I'm not even going to try to tiptoe through that minefield.
As for the casual-versus-tourney debate, I'm not even going to try to tiptoe through that minefield.
KevinCow said:
You wouldn't play that way 90% of the time. Smash Bros. is big enough that you'd easily be able to find at least hundreds of players willing to play with your specific rule set, no matter how unconventional or obscure. Fuck, I'm sure if you were hosting a room with 99 stock matches you'd still have multiple players fighting to join the match.
Iam Canadian said:
A more robust online system would have the best chance of satisfying everyone all of the time.
Son of Godzilla
Banned
What came first, the tourny player or the ignoramus who called someone a tourny player?
What? Pretty much every online game ever that isn't Halo has a server/room browser. Matchmaking is a great feature, sure, but there's no reason why it should be at the cost of a proper custom server list.
I'm sure they will just have broad outlines of different modes, and then either filter searches based on them or make it another voting thing. I can't imagine it not being the former though, as unlike maps and items, being forced to play a mode you don't want is retarded. Hi Shotty Snipers.
What? Pretty much every online game ever that isn't Halo has a server/room browser. Matchmaking is a great feature, sure, but there's no reason why it should be at the cost of a proper custom server list.
I'm sure they will just have broad outlines of different modes, and then either filter searches based on them or make it another voting thing. I can't imagine it not being the former though, as unlike maps and items, being forced to play a mode you don't want is retarded. Hi Shotty Snipers.
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