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New café in Melbourne charging men 18% more to highlight gender wage gap
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HollowCentral
Member
Let the shitstorm begin.
gutter_trash
Banned
sounds like an excellent place to pick up chicks, with a higher % ratio of attendance, this could be a gold mine
Crimson_Echidna
Banned
I get what they're going for, but I'd say they'd miss the mark if they also don't highlight the wage gap between races.
TheAbsolution
Member
It's voluntary. And it's donated too?
This is a great idea.
This is a great idea.
Chezzymann
Member
Yeah id say that's a better way to do it
Is it voluntary? The sign says "men will be charged 18% premium"
Edit: ah the article calls it voluntary donation
Hesemonni
Banned
House rule #2 aka "voluntary"?
Gotdatmoney
Member
I'm fine with this.
Australia preorder cancelled.
It's voluntary, but I wouldn't want to be the guy that doesn't donate.
QuantumBro
Banned
The article says the fee is voluntary, but this quote doesn't sound like it's voluntary.
Mohonky
Member
I'm not going to say you HAVE too, we're just going to look down on you if you dont.....also we reserve the right to sit you next to the garbage bin outside in the alley.
Its only voluntary because its illegal to charge more on the basis of sex. In the same way its illegal to pay a worker less based on sex.
Its just some passive aggressive coffee shop owner trying to make a statement.
Vicetrailia
Member
18% is actually a lot.
maquiladora
Member
It's meant to draw attention to an issue. It's getting publicity, so it's working.
Bony Manifesto
Member
Fixed that for you.
ClosingADoor
Member
I'd be more upset about the priority seating. First come, first served.
Fuck me, like the people responsible for the wage gap are even going to be drinking there. The gender wage gap sucks, but things like this, though well intentioned, seem to be missing the point of equality. Why don't we charge wealthy people more for their coffees to highlight the class inequality. I've certainly met hundreds of women who grew up with more privilege than I've ever known; I went to school with them, I went to University with them, I've dated them, I've worked with them, and I've had those selfsame people and others try to make me feel as though I'm part of the problem because of people boiling down inequality to easy talking points like this.
Leftism has been hijacked by a cabal of champagne socialists.
Leftism has been hijacked by a cabal of champagne socialists.
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I don't know how big the cafe is, but I can't actually really picture how 'women have priority seating' would even work practically.
If I was sitting down and someone walked over and sit some young fit girl needs my seat and asked me 18% extra for a coffee as well, I would laugh, pay it and never go back then tell everyone about this shit place I went to once.
good luck to them.
If I was sitting down and someone walked over and sit some young fit girl needs my seat and asked me 18% extra for a coffee as well, I would laugh, pay it and never go back then tell everyone about this shit place I went to once.
good luck to them.
Phrozenflame500
Member
Great marketing campaign.
It's a voluntary donation anyways, so yeah I struggle to get too up in arms about it.
...or is it voluntary? I'm not really sure.
It's a voluntary donation anyways, so yeah I struggle to get too up in arms about it.
...or is it voluntary? I'm not really sure.
Mohonky
Member
Its just becoming more openly 'us vs them' with both sides wondering why each is pushing back harder than ever.
Not sure how priority seating would work with a mixed group. If you have men in the mix does it taint everyone? What if my wife buys me the food. lol I suppose I'd be bemused if I stumbled across this IRL.
No wage gap in my workplace all wages are fixed by payscales and length of services.
No wage gap in my workplace all wages are fixed by payscales and length of services.
Wouldn't this be illegal though, since the bar is discriminating based on gender?
With the cafe in Australia since it's a donation it seems like it'd be legal.
Omegasquash
Member
Voluntary - Check.
Donating the money - Awesome check.
No issues detected.
Donating the money - Awesome check.
No issues detected.
Ive heard this too but I dont know enough about it personally
QuantumBro
Banned
I get that, but the owner is saying pay the fee or go somewhere else, which means it's not voluntary.
Some anti-discrimination lawyer is going to have a field day with this place.
In the article, it says one week a month.
And I'm confused when it says voluntary, yet the sign says "will be charged".
Unadjusted vs. adjusted gender pay gap.
Essentially when adjusted for all other variables, the gap is more like 5% depending on country.
Mohonky
Member
Its a thing, in the same way if you look at which job roles men and women typically apply for you'll find the distribution rolls out differently and of course some sectors pay more than others.
You also need to look at what men and women typically study and the prospective job outcomes of that study.
mentallyinept
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I've read stuff like that too, and is useful data when examining individual industries.
But the point of the 18% number (Australia) and the 23% number (USA, last I checked) is to illustrate the overall pay gap between the sexes across all workers, to expose a broader trend that needs to be addressed over time.
It's "voluntary" in that you can simply choose not to get your coffee there during that week. lol
tearsintherain
Member
Women have priority seating is a weird rule, isn't that a return to Victorian era
I mean as a gentleman I always give up my seat to a lady on a bus or train or whatever, but seems a weird thing to write down
in the US the pay gap shrinks dramatically in many jobs for the same job, down to 1-4%. The 20-30% gap arises from the fact that more men are in higher pay positions basically, not just Vice President/etc level but for example comp sci , garbage collection, cops or firemen jobs which are all high pay, etc.
http://www.payscale.com/gender-lifetime-earnings-gap
Also its been statistically shown that to increase your pay in your job the best option is to find a new job in the same field but at a different company, and statistically women are less likely to switch companies to pursue higher salary. Its a staggering difference too, employees who stay in companies longer than 2 years get paid FIFTY PERCENT less in lifetime earnings. thats just insane.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/camero...ompanies-longer-than-2-years-get-paid-50-less
I mean as a gentleman I always give up my seat to a lady on a bus or train or whatever, but seems a weird thing to write down
in the US the pay gap shrinks dramatically in many jobs for the same job, down to 1-4%. The 20-30% gap arises from the fact that more men are in higher pay positions basically, not just Vice President/etc level but for example comp sci , garbage collection, cops or firemen jobs which are all high pay, etc.
http://www.payscale.com/gender-lifetime-earnings-gap
Also its been statistically shown that to increase your pay in your job the best option is to find a new job in the same field but at a different company, and statistically women are less likely to switch companies to pursue higher salary. Its a staggering difference too, employees who stay in companies longer than 2 years get paid FIFTY PERCENT less in lifetime earnings. thats just insane.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/camero...ompanies-longer-than-2-years-get-paid-50-less