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What did President Obama learn in his first year?
"[That] change is never easy; that change takes time; that change has to go through Congress." - Spokesman Robert Gibbs

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Where we currently stand
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Opinions, Reports, Photo Essays, and other Socialist Propaganda
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The Economist | Barack Obama's First Year: Reality bites

CBSNEWS | Obama's First Year: By the Numbers

GALLUP | Obama's Approval Most Polarized for First-Year President

Washington Post | Lessons from Obama's first year

FOXNEWS | Obama Shatters Spending Record for First-Year Presidents

ABCNEWS | President Obama's Key Promises, One Year Later

TIME | President Obama One Year In: A photo gallery

Wall Street Journal | Promises, Promises

NYT | Paul Krugman | He Wasn’t The One We’ve Been Waiting For

MSNBC | Poll: Americans skeptical of Obama's promises


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PoliGAF's Rich Political Conversation and Debate Historical Index
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2010 - PoliGAF 2010: HOPE Fades, but CHANGE doesn't happen in a day

President Obama's First Year
2009 - PoliGAF Thread of PRESIDENT OBAMA Checkin' Off His List | Posts: 46,835 | Views: 1,390,139
2009 - PoliGAF Thread of PRESIDENT OBAMA's First 100 Out of the Way | Posts: 25,681 | Views: 967,487

The 2008 Election
2008 - PoliGAF After Party Thread of Harsh Realities | Posts: 11,623 | Views: 433,164
2008 - PoliGAF Election Day 2008 Thread of A New Dawn in America | Posts: 16,858 | Views: 623,393
2008 - PoliGAF Interim Thread of 2008 Early Voting | Posts: 22,020 | Views: 925,562
2008 - PoliGAF Interim Thread of USA General Elections (DAWN OF THE VEEP) | Posts: 20,508 | Views: 574,791

The 2008 Campaign
2008 - PoliGAF Debate #3 Thread of Hey Joe, where you goin' with that plunger in your hand | Posts: 7,013 | Views: 286,013
2008 - PoliGAF 2nd Pres. Debate 2008 Thread (DOW dropping, Biden is off to Home Depot) | Posts: 13,895 | Views: 544,879
2008 - PoliGAF Thread of Post #7323 (LAST DAY TO REG. IN CO,FL,IN,MI,OH,PA,TX,VA) | Posts: 8,422 | Views: 341,146
2008 - PoliGAF Thread of VP Debate 2008 Trainwreck-in-slow-motion Popcorn Party Edition | Posts: 5,951 | Views: 224,876
2008 - PoliGAF Thread of First Debate Election 2008 - GAF doesn't know shit | Posts: 9,359 | Views: 334,198
2008 - PoliGAF Interim Thread of cunning stunts and desperate punts | Posts: 25,810 | Views: 812,183

2008 Primaries, Conventions, and He Said/She Said
2008 - PoliGAF Thread of Republican's Turn at Conventions
2008 - PoliGAF General Election Thread of Conventions (Sarah Palin McCain VP Pick)
2008 - PoliGAF Thread of THE END and FIST POUNDS (NYT: Hillary drop out/endorse Saturday)
2008 - PoliGAF Thread of Obama's Victory Lap and Smoking Hopium in Internet Dens
2008 - PoliGAF Thread of toothless Hill-Billys (75,000 in Portland for OBAMA post #3599)
2008 - PoliGAF Official May 6th Primary Thread (All I need is a Hirracle, all I need is you)
2008 - PoliGAF Official April 22nd Primary Thread (Democrat Apocalypse)
2008 - PoliGAF Interim Thread of Tears/Lapel Pins (ScratchingHisCheek-Gate)

Me said:
Don't even TRY to keep up. I had the third most posts in the last thread and missed weeks of news at a time. The trick is to go just one page back, get the feeling for the conversation, and post your own thoughts. These threads are really the perfect mixture of news, debate, and open-ended thought exercises. Just jump right in no matter where we are--as long as it is somewhat related you'll be right at home. Stuff that is way out of line or off the path will either be ignored or ridiculed. Have fun!
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State of the Union Wednesday!

Anymore people going to yell while Obama speaks to a joint session?
 
Dax01 said:
A pretty good title. Nice to see a new thread up.
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I have to be honest--you were the one I was hoping to impress the most.

I'm currently compiling a PoliGAF history for reviewing purposes in the OP if anybody is interested.
 
Diablos said:
PRINCETON, NJ -- The 65 percentage-point gap between Democrats' (88%) and Republicans' (23%) average job approval ratings for Barack Obama is easily the largest for any president in his first year in office, greatly exceeding the prior high of 52 points for Bill Clinton.
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This is from the old thread. I'd like to posit that what this demonstrates is an increasing political consciousness and radicalization of the right, a dangerous thing for the US, especially in a time of economic turmoil on which it can capitalize (as it has done). This is what has moved all the politicians (Snowe, Lieberman, Obama) so far right.
 
Mii said:
Anymore people going to yell while Obama speaks to a joint session?
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Only if HE LIE!

empty vessel said:
This is from the old thread. I'd like to posit that what this demonstrates is an increasing political consciousness and radicalization of the right, a dangerous thing for the US, especially in a time of economic turmoil on which it can capitalize (as it has done). This is what has moved all the politicians (Snowe, Lieberman, Obama) so far right.
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You know that if 9/11 hadn't happened, GWB's number would have been well over 50 points difference, seeing as how people would still have the bitter taste of Florida 2000. It's the divergence of America that the parties want. It's not just one side or the other, it's both. There is plenty of middle ground between 80% of Americans, but the parties want to make each and every person fall towards the 10% who refuse to listen to anything the other side has to say.

Oddly enough, neither side has been able to put together a workable plan of action that is moderate in its scope and well articulated to the masses.
 
Obama to provide Tax cuts to the middle class. Other Initiatives

WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama, determined to show he understands middle-class struggles, is offering new initiatives meant to help people pay bills and save for retirement. Obama was ready to announce the new steps Monday in a partial preview of his State of the Union address.
The proposals to be unveiled by Obama and Vice President Joe Biden at the White House include a doubling of the child care tax credit for families earning under $85,000; a $1.6 billion increase in federal funding for child care programs and a program to cap student loan payments at 10 percent of income above "a basic living allowance."
His initiatives also include expanding tax credits to match retirement savings and increasing aid for families taking care of elderly relatives. That program would also require all employers to provide the option of a workplace-based retirement savings plan.
Obama is seeking to offer some attractive options to taxpayers, mindful of recent setbacks including the loss of a traditionally Democratic Senate seat in Massachusetts to Republican Scott Brown. Monday's rollout is designed to show sympathy with a frustrated public. "We are fighting every single day to put Americans back to work," Obama said in a statement released by the White House.
The proposals are the result of the work of a middle class task force that Biden had headed.
The White House says the proposals are aimed at the "sandwich generation" — Americans struggling to care for both their children and their parents. The proposals fit into the economic message of his prime-time address to the nation on Wednesday, one that is likely to cover financial regulations, energy, education, immigration and a push to change the political tone in Washington.
White House advisers see Wednesday's State of the Union speech as a key opportunity for Obama to recalibrate his message to better connect with the public and to reset his presidency after stinging setbacks.
Obama has promised a sharper focus on jobs and the economy as the dust settles from the punishing loss in Massachusetts. Brown's victory put the seat in the hands of Republicans for the first time in decades and took away the Democrats' 60-vote supermajority in the Senate.
Obama and fellow Democrats are trying to regroup to head off more populist anger and stem more losses of congressional, gubernatorial and legislative seats in the 2010 midterm elections. Obama's poll numbers are also off — primarily because of the slow economic recovery and double-digit unemployment. A majority of Americans also have turned against health care reform, the president's signature legislative effort now in jeopardy.
Under the president's proposals, families making under $85,000 a year would see their child care tax credit nearly doubled. Families making under $115,000 would also see at least some increase in their tax credit as well. Obama will also call for the allocation of $100 million to assist families caring for aging relatives by providing help with transportation, adult day care and in-home aids.
The initiatives also focus on savings, requiring employers that don't offer work-based retirement plans to enroll their employees in a direct deposit retirement account, unless the employee opts out. The cost to employers would be offset by new tax credits, and the administration says the smallest firms would be exempt.
Obama will also call for caps on some student loans, limiting a borrower's payments to 10 percent of his or her income, and forgiving all remaining debt after 10 years of payment for those in public service work — and 20 years for all others.
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empty vessel said:
This is from the old thread. I'd like to posit that what this demonstrates is an increasing political consciousness and radicalization of the right, a dangerous thing for the US, especially in a time of economic turmoil on which it can capitalize (as it has done). This is what has moved all the politicians (Snowe, Lieberman, Obama) so far right.
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Yeah, this country is basically fucked. Between the continued radicalization of the right, to campaigns now potentially being 100% in the pockets of corporations who don't give a damn about you or I, to the ways in which a great too many people gather and interpret new information... it's very disturbing.
 
Diablos said:
Yeah, this country is basically fucked. Between the continued radicalization of the right, to campaigns now potentially being 100% in the pockets of corporations who don't give a damn about you or I, to the ways in which a great too many people gather and interpret new information... it's very disturbing.
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You meant "organization" right?
 
I'm expecting President Obama to come out swinging on Wednesday, so it should be pretty fun.

I know things look bad now, but the groundwork is there for things to completely flip by November.
 
Tamanon said:
Huh? The GOP and the conservative movement have always been organized. That's kinda been their big advantage over the years.
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No, what I assume Diablos is referring to is the "radical" tea party movement. Really, are these "radicals?" You know who goes to these tea parties - people like my mother-in-law, who is 70, grew up in a small town, has lived most of here life in the suburbs, and goes to church on a fairly regular basis.

For all the talk of how "right wing wacko" the tea partiers are, I have yet to see a single of thier rallies devolve into any sort of violence, tear gassing, or smashing of windows in businesses etc. - while those are fairly common outcomes of "leftist" rallies that we see at things like the G-8.
 
Mr. Dobalina said:
No, what I assume Diablos is referring to is the "radical" tea party movement. Really, are these "radicals?" You know who goes to these tea parties - people like my mother-in-law, who is 70, grew up in a small town, has lived most of here life in the suburbs, and goes to church on a fairly regular basis.

For all the talk of how "right wing wacko" the tea partiers are, I have yet to see a single of thier rallies devolve into any sort of violence, tear gassing, or smashing of windows in businesses etc. - while those are fairly common outcomes of "leftist" rallies that we see at things like the G-8.
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Radical doesn't mean violent.
 
Anyone who thought Obama could magically change things in a year is an imbecile.

He never promised that. Change is a slow, hard process. Especially with the huge mess he inherited.
 
Good choice for the title. He's learnt some valuable lessons in his 1st year, let's see what his 2nd brings. As a UK-gaffer I'm watching the healthcare bill with great interest.
 
Jason's Ultimatum said:
So what are the chances of Bush's tax cuts being extended? If it happens, then say hello to exploding deficits beyond your imagination.
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Depends on if the vote is scheduled before November or after, I'm thinking.
 
The Economist recently posted a piece that explores what Obama may attempt to push for this week: http://www.economist.com/world/unitedstates/displayStory.cfm?story_id=15383513&source=features_box1

First paragraph:

"THE president’s annual state-of-the-union speech, despite the fuss and standing ovations in Congress, is often a forgettable laundry list of priorities. But Barack Obama’s first proper go at the address to Congress on Wednesday January 27th as mandated by the constitution (his inaugural speech last year did not count as a state-of-the-union talk) will be watched with unusual interest, and not only because he is a far better speaker than his predecessor, George Bush. After the recent stinging loss of a Massachusetts Senate seat to the Republicans, the president’s domestic agenda is imperilled. He needs to present a clear idea of what he plans to do next.'
 
Mr. Dobalina said:
No, what I assume Diablos is referring to is the "radical" tea party movement. Really, are these "radicals?" You know who goes to these tea parties - people like my mother-in-law, who is 70, grew up in a small town, has lived most of here life in the suburbs, and goes to church on a fairly regular basis.
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I like how you include this as if it were a qualification for niceness, because we all know that nobody can lead a good, virtuous life unless they're a bible-beating Christian, and no one who goes to church is bad. Like seriously, none of them.
 
Mr. Dobalina said:
I'm still trying to figure out what is so "radical." Surely there are concrete examples aside from the few kooks in the crowds with signs.
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I dont think there was anything particular "scary" or "radical" about the Tea Party movement. Before it was taken over by the Republican Party, the movement had a legitimate gripe if you view the political landscape as not Republican or Democrat, but Government. The US Government had massively failed its citizens. People looked at the foreclosures and the job loss and it really isnt unreasonable to ask where has my money gone.
 
Mr. Dobalina said:
I'm still trying to figure out what is so "radical." Surely there are concrete examples aside from the few kooks in the crowds with signs.
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Well, their concern for the deficit and spending suddenly appearing out of absolutely nowhere when somebody that isn't a Republican is a rather radical turn.

These people aren't fiscal conservatives, they never were and never will be.
 
Shanadeus said:
I dreamed that Obama lost an presidential election to an woman I had never seen before, is that a bad sign?
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Please tell me you have seen Sarah Palin before, otherwise your dream will keep me up at night.
 
Tamanon said:
Well, their concern for the deficit and spending suddenly appearing out of absolutely nowhere when somebody that isn't a Republican is a rather radical turn.

These people aren't fiscal conservatives, they never were and never will be.
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During one of my classes last week, we were discussing about John Rawls. One student, who worked for a GOP candidate in probably some local election, said that Obama and DEMs are socialists.

It really amazes that this ignorance has reached the college level. :lol
 
Tamanon said:
Well, their concern for the deficit and spending suddenly appearing out of absolutely nowhere when somebody that isn't a Republican is a rather radical turn.

These people aren't fiscal conservatives, they never were and never will be.
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Oh, don't get me wrong, I was no fan of Bush never vetoing anything and the Republicans spending like it was going out of style when they had full control, but I don't think it's radical to look at an all-time record deficit (what was it, $600B?) and suddenly get more than a little concerned when the Obama administration takes that deficit and QUADRUPLES it.

That being said, I won't discount that some of the outraged is feigned and is the result of the older generation being a little uncomfortable with a black President - especially one who was brought up in the ranks of "ideological radicals" like Ayers, Wright, etc. Colin Powell they would be cool with.
 
Jason's Ultimatum said:
During one of my classes last week, we were discussing about John Rawls. One student, who worked for a GOP candidate in probably some local election, said that Obama and DEMs are socialists.

It really amazes that this ignorance has reached the college level. :lol
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Are you really surprised? I mean college has been a breeding ground for conspiracy theories (for example Truthers). Just because a person might have some intelligence as it relates to Math or English or Whatever doesnt mean that views on the World are necessarily well-reasoned.
 
Mr. Dobalina said:
Oh, don't get me wrong, I was no fan of Bush never vetoing anything and the Republicans spending like it was going out of style when they had full control, but I don't think it's radical to look at an all-time record deficit (what was it, $600B?) and suddenly get more than a little concerned when the Obama administration takes that deficit and QUADRUPLES it.

That being said, I won't discount that some of the outraged is feigned and is the result of the older generation being a little uncomfortable with a black President - especially one who was brought up in the ranks of "ideological radicals" like Ayers, Wright, etc. Colin Powell they would be cool with.
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But it is radical for them, that's the point.

I have absolutely no respect whatsoever for anything to do with the Tea Party movement, a movement that has absolutely nothing to do with actual policy or even political philosophy.
 
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If I hear "bipartisan" too many times I might turn it off. It's not going to work with healthcare. There's an easy solution here. Take it.
 
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