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The '1080p, 60 FPS' Buzz Words.

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Conor 419

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Two terms which seem to have exploded in the last year or so. Are these features really that important or do you feel they hold more psychological weight than anything else?

Do they matter to you?
 
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Stallion Free

Cock Encumbered
Buzz words?

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ShinobiFist

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Conor 419 said:
Two terms which seem to have exploded in the last year or so. Are these features really that important or do you feel they hold more psychological weight than anything else?

Do they matter to you?
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Yes to me, that's why I'm getting a PC soon. Can't do this unstable fps anymore, I'm done.
 
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Conor 419

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Wario64 said:
These are not buzz words.
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I see a lot of people throwing them about, when two weeks before they didn't know or care what they were.

I'm not saying they don't exist, I'm asking whether people put more weight in these features that there actually is.
 
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Card Boy

Banned
Those are buzzwords? They are a democratic right, especially on PC.

If you want a buzzword "Cinematic" comes to mind. Watch any Rockstar hype trailer to see how many times its mentioned.
 
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Fredescu

Member
Do resolution and framerate matter? Of course they do. Are there good games with poor resolution and framerate? Of course there are.

Also, I don't think they're "buzzwords".

"A buzzword (also fashion word) is a term of art, salesmanship, politics, or technical jargon[1] that is used in the media and wider society outside of its originally narrow technical context, often in an inaccurate manner, or for purposes other than the conveying of information."
 
Jinfash

Jinfash

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Depending on the genre, framerate really matters to me. But if I was given the option, I'd go for 60fps every time. I'm willing to sacrifice resolution and effects for it (as per my habits on the PC).
 
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Zombie James

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Conor 419 said:
Two terms which seem to have exploded in the last year or so. Are these features really that important or do you feel they hold more psychological weight than anything else?

Do they matter to you?
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Um, 1080p and 60fps are very real, tangible things. Nothing psychological about it.
 
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Grayman

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Conor 419 said:
Two terms which seem to have exploded in the last year or so. Are these features really that important or do you feel they hold more psychological weight than anything else?

Do they matter to you?
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buzz word? non native resolution looks like ass. I would aim for 120 fps on all games instead of just some if I had the hardware for it.
 
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Dog Problems

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Yes, they're very important. I'm willing to take a hit in FPS if I really like a game but I'll only go so low before I call it quits.
 
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Conor 419

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Zombie James said:
Um, 1080p and 60fps are very real, tangible things. Nothing psychological about it.
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Please read my follow up post on this matter.

I am not saying these do not exist. I am stating that I have seen people who throw these terms around with excitement when before hand they neither knew or cared about what they were and as a result are putting more weight into them then they are actually worth.
 
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RealDeadOne

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They're definitely important because 1080p is the current standard on our HD TVs. The differences between 30/60fps and 720p/1080p are also really obvious. It's basically the same as saying that 32-bit graphics are a buzzword in comparison to 16-bit; it's that kind of "it's not really THAT important" mentality that holds back technology.
 
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Conor 419

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Ysiadmihi said:
but you're wrong
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A buzz word doesn't have to be abstract. It just has to generate buzz, are you telling me that there aren't people in the Dark Souls thread who reclaimed their interest in the title and '[restored faith in the industry]' when they discovered it'd run in 60 FPS at 1080p.
 
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Poimandres

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Having something in native resolution is nice, but 60fps feels significantly different than 30fps.

That said, anyone who thinks either of these will be standard with nex gen consoles is setting themselves up for disappointment.

Also, the Dark Souls example... you're talking about a game with known frame rate problems that impact the experience on a gameplay level. Of course people are going to be happy if they have a chance to play it without those issues!
 
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Papercuts

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60fps is always good, and is vital in specific games. Don't care about 1080p really, but subHD is bullshit.
 
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Eusis

Member
Conor 419 said:
I see a lot of people throwing them about, when two weeks before they didn't know or care what they were.

I'm not saying they don't exist, I'm asking whether people put more weight in these features that there actually is.
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Real buzzwords would be like throwing HD at non 720/1080p stuff, or just using or even making up terms that sound cool like synergy.

And... I LIKE to have them, but they're not essential. 60 FPS more so though, I don't normally play on a 1080p TV for one, and two a nice high FPS can be more readily appreciated. It's more important that the FPS remain stable and the resolution high enough for the game's needs/native display however, and sub-native resolution stuff bugs me way more on PC or handhelds than TVs.
 
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Fredescu

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Conor 419 said:
I am stating that I have seen people who throw these terms around with excitement when before hand they neither knew or cared about what they were and as a result are putting more weight into them then they are actually worth.
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The second doesn't follow from the first. Someone might not know about framerate and resolution to begin with, but later realise their worth after experiencing the differences across various games. No one is born with that innately, it comes with experience and knowledge. Getting this knowledge doesn't mean you necessarily overvalue them, although maybe some people do. Personally I would say 60+fps is more important than any particular resolution.
 
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flyinpiranha

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They matter to me. I wouldn't say those exact resolutions, but the closer a game is to achieving them the more I'll like the game.

Now, before people start saying "does fun matter?!" ... yes, yes it does. But I'd MUCH rather have a fun game in 1080p and 60FPS than a fun game in 480p and 20FPS.

And I don't think they are really a 'buzzword' to be honest. These are very measurable things in gaming that people strive for. It's like saying the MPG or 0-60 in X Seconds when discussing cars are just throwing around 'buzzwords'.


Conor 419 said:
Just a note to the sceptics.


1080p/60FPS absolutely fits that criteria.
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Let's expand this definition (wikipedia)
A buzzword (also fashion word) is a term of art, salesmanship, politics, or technical jargon[1] that is used in the media and wider society outside of its originally narrow technical context, often in an inaccurate manner, or for purposes other than the conveying of information.
Buzzwords differ from jargon in that jargon is esoteric but precisely defined terminology used for ease of communication between specialists in a given field, whereas a buzzword (which often develops from the appropriation of technical jargon) is often used in a more general way, inaccurately or inappropriately.
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I don't see where that fits the description. There is no misleading when 1080p and 60 FPS are mentioned. In fact quite the opposite. They are terms used a lot but I wouldn't say people use them without really knowing their context, I think anybody who uses them knows exactly their definition.
 
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Teknopathetic

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"I am stating that I have seen people who throw these terms around with excitement when before hand they neither knew or cared about what they were and as a result are putting more weight into them then they are actually worth."


I'm curious how you're so certain these "people" neither knew or card about them.
 
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NullPointer

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wikipedia said:
A buzzword (also fashion word) is a term of art, salesmanship, politics, or technical jargon[1] that is used in the media and wider society outside of its originally narrow technical context, often in an inaccurate manner, or for purposes other than the conveying of information.

Buzzwords differ from jargon in that jargon is esoteric but precisely defined terminology used for ease of communication between specialists in a given field, whereas a buzzword (which often develops from the appropriation of technical jargon) is often used in a more general way, inaccurately or inappropriately. A person who chooses to use buzzwords may have one or more of the following objectives:

Intentional vagueness. In management or politics, opaque words of unclear meaning may be used: their positive connotations prevents questioning of intent. The most notable essay on this theme is George Orwell's "Politics and the English Language" [2] (See newspeak)
A desire to impress a judge, an examiner, an audience, or a readership, or to win an argument, through name-dropping of esoteric and poorly understood terms in an attempt to inflate trivial ideas to something of importance.

Therefore a phrase is not in itself a buzzword: it becomes one in the context of inappropriate usage or usage with an ulterior motive.
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better
 
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KarmaCow

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Maybe you have a point with 1080p since you can easily have monitors with a different/higher resolution, but 60 fps? Come the fuck on.
 
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Conor 419

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Teknopathetic said:
"I am stating that I have seen people who throw these terms around with excitement when before hand they neither knew or cared about what they were and as a result are putting more weight into them then they are actually worth."


I'm curious how you're so certain these "people" neither knew or card about them.
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As I am one of them? I can't help but notice that I'm beginning to care about this certain frame rate and resolution now that I know what they are. However I'm trying to figure out if I can really notice the difference, or whether my brain is telling me something is better because I'm comforted in knowing it runs at these settings.
 
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Ysiadmihi

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Conor 419 said:
A buzz word doesn't have to be abstract. It just has to generate buzz, are you telling me that there aren't people in the Dark Souls thread who reclaimed their interest in the title and '[restored faith in the industry]' when they discovered it'd run in 60 FPS at 1080p.
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1080p 60fps has been around for a long time. Just because it's new to you doesn't mean it's new to everyone.
 
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Fredescu

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Conor 419 said:
Just a note to the sceptics.



1080p/60FPS absolutely fits that criteria.
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Don't forget: "that is used in the media and wider society outside of its originally narrow technical context, often in an inaccurate manner, or for purposes other than the conveying of information."
 
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