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[Punished Miku]

I'm totally clueless in terms of gaming PCs, but I'm looking to make the switch. What do you guys recommend? I can google it and I get a bunch of top 10 lists that seem sponsored, and they don't really tell me all that much in terms of practical results I can relate to.

I would like to try games over 60 fps sometimes, but my TV caps at 60 I think. I would prefer a TV over getting a monitor for it, so I may just have to wait on that until I upgrade my TV in several years.

Trying to get a sense of the price I can expect at the very least for gaming that is relatively future proof, and at least a small step above current consoles in terms of performance.

$2000? $2500? Just to put this in terms of something I can understand, what is the cost of a PC running top performance Cyberpunk settings?

 

[RagnarokIV]

Make sure you go for a 13600k or there about to take advantage of PLAYSTATION 3 emulation.
PS3 emulation is the real deal right now, you can play the games with superior performance and it’s transformative.

You’ll also be covered for Xenia as it improves. So yeah, don’t cheap on the CPU because you’ll be stuck with it for a long time. GPU, if you’re bound to a 60hz TV then you can get a used 3070

 

[poppabk]

Cyberpunk top level performance is the tippy top of PC performance. You are talking top of the range parts all around.

 

[German Hops]

We're close to PS3 emulation, so upgrade wisely.

 

[Punished Miku]

Cyberpunk top level performance is the tippy top of PC performance. You are talking top of the range parts all around.

I'm probably not going for that then lol.

We're close to PS3 emulation, so upgrade wisely.

Wisely means what exactly?

 

[Mister Wolf]

I would definitely get a 4080 Super or 4090 for my GPU. Find a pre-built with that and we can tell you if the other specs a acceptable.

 

[poppabk]

I'm probably not going for that then lol.

Yeah even a midrange PC now will get you much better than console performance, high end and you have a good chance of matching the next gen console performance.
Are you sure you want to go pre-built. Part of the fun of PC gaming is building your own PC and nowadays it is painfully easy to do. That way you will also have the confidence to upgrade individual parts as time goes on.

 

[RagnarokIV]

I'm probably not going for that then lol.


Wisely means what exactly?

Intel gives best performance in a lot of emulators. Intel only do 2 gens per “platform” (basically motherboard and CPU slot).

So don’t cheap and get a 10 or 11 series CPU, which surprisingly some prebuilt machines still have.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

To get top performance Cyberpunk you would need probably another $1000 to get into a 4090 system but at your $2500 limit you can still grab a very nice PC

 

[Punished Miku]

Yeah even a midrange PC now will get you much better than console performance, high end and you have a good chance of matching the next gen console performance.
Are you sure you want to go pre-built. Part of the fun of PC gaming is building your own PC and nowadays it is painfully easy to do. That way you will also have the confidence to upgrade individual parts as time goes on.

I like saving money, but that sounds horrible. Never done it, never wanted to do it. I would probably mess it up.

 

[Jinzo Prime]

Make sure you go for a 13600k or there about to take advantage of PLAYSTATION 3 emulation.
PS3 emulation is the real deal right now, you can play the games with superior performance and it’s transformative.

You’ll also be covered for Xenia as it improves. So yeah, don’t cheap on the CPU because you’ll be stuck with it for a long time. GPU, if you’re bound to a 60hz TV then you can get a used 3070

What about AMD CPUs?

 

[MiguelItUp]

Honestly, if you have a Micro Center anywhere near you, I'd recommend going there. Majority of the time they have prebuilts that fall into that price range and are solid. Or even Newegg, honestly. For example....

YEYIAN Shoge Gaming PC Desktop INTEL Core i5 13400F, RTX 4070, 1TB NVMe SSD, 16GB DDR4 3200, 650W Gold PSU, 120mm AIO, AC Wi-Fi, Window 11 64bit- YPI-SH34F0B-4701U - Newegg.com

Buy YEYIAN Shoge Gaming PC Desktop INTEL Core i5 13400F, RTX 4070, 1TB NVMe SSD, 16GB DDR4 3200, 650W Gold PSU, 120mm AIO, AC Wi-Fi, Window 11 64bit- YPI-SH34F0B-4701U with fast shipping and top-rated customer service. Once you know, you Newegg!

www.newegg.com

Yeyian Gaming Desktop YARI YPI-YA46KFB-46T1N Intel Core i5-14600KF 16GB DDR5 1 TB PCIe SSD GeForce RTX 4060 Ti Windows 11 Home 64-bit - Newegg.com

Buy Yeyian Gaming Desktop YARI YPI-YA46KFB-46T1N Intel Core i5-14600KF 16GB DDR5 1 TB PCIe SSD GeForce RTX 4060 Ti Windows 11 Home 64-bit with fast shipping and top-rated customer service. Once you know, you Newegg!

www.newegg.com

A lot of the "build your pc" websites have quite a bit of bloated pricing due to mark ups and labor costs. Getting the parts yourself and getting it built is always the way to go. But getting prebuilts are a nice choice for those that are unable to build them, or get them built. I don't think I'd ever recommend big name prebuilts unless the pricing is SUPER good.

 

[SmokedMeat]

I would visit sites like Techspot and check benchmarks/reviews for GPUs and CPUs. See what fits your budget and is giving you the performance you’re looking for.

I’m not familiar with what PC builders or prebuilts are going for, but there’s an added cost there.

If you want all the bells and whistles like path tracing and DLSS3 then you’re going to want Nvidia. I’m thinking a 4070 Super would be a nice buy. You don’t need a 4080 or 4090.

 

[RagnarokIV]

What about AMD CPUs?

It may have changed now, but when I was building for PS3 emulation, Intel was well ahead of AMD in RPCS3.

I was mainly building for Metal Gear Online, which is the most demanding for RPCS3 and the extra frames and intel chip would offer were a no brainer for my circumstances. I went for a 12400 and later upgraded to a 13600k

 

[Magic Carpet]

I bought a Lenovo Legion from Best Buy when it was on Sale a few months ago. It's built really well and is fully upgradable with no weird parts preventing me from changing things out. It's also very quiet. (not as quiet as the new consoles but it's also not a hair dryer. It's also not that large.
I've already added an M.2 SSD and changed the memory from 16GB to 32GB (even though I probly didn't need to yet)

Looks like it's back on sale. This is what I bought.

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/lenovo-legion-tower-5i-gaming-desktop-intel-core-i7-13700f-16gb-memory-nvidia-geforce-rtx-4070-12gb-1tb-ssd-storm-grey/6535024.p?skuId=6535024

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

At the price range if wanting to stay with Intel CPU something like this and maybe see if someone could upgrade the CPU cooler for $2269

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/cyberp...er-16gb-2tb-ssd-black/6574279.p?skuId=6574279

AMD side which you shouldn't need to do anything to maybe something like this for $2489

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/cyberp...er-16gb-4tb-ssd-black/6574282.p?skuId=6574282

 

[Punished Miku]

Honestly, if you have a Micro Center anywhere near you, I'd recommend going there. Majority of the time they have prebuilts that fall into that price range and are solid. Or even Newegg, honestly. For example....

YEYIAN Shoge Gaming PC Desktop INTEL Core i5 13400F, RTX 4070, 1TB NVMe SSD, 16GB DDR4 3200, 650W Gold PSU, 120mm AIO, AC Wi-Fi, Window 11 64bit- YPI-SH34F0B-4701U - Newegg.com

Buy YEYIAN Shoge Gaming PC Desktop INTEL Core i5 13400F, RTX 4070, 1TB NVMe SSD, 16GB DDR4 3200, 650W Gold PSU, 120mm AIO, AC Wi-Fi, Window 11 64bit- YPI-SH34F0B-4701U with fast shipping and top-rated customer service. Once you know, you Newegg!

www.newegg.com

Yeyian Gaming Desktop YARI YPI-YA46KFB-46T1N Intel Core i5-14600KF 16GB DDR5 1 TB PCIe SSD GeForce RTX 4060 Ti Windows 11 Home 64-bit - Newegg.com

Buy Yeyian Gaming Desktop YARI YPI-YA46KFB-46T1N Intel Core i5-14600KF 16GB DDR5 1 TB PCIe SSD GeForce RTX 4060 Ti Windows 11 Home 64-bit with fast shipping and top-rated customer service. Once you know, you Newegg!

www.newegg.com

A lot of the "build your pc" websites have quite a bit of bloated pricing due to mark ups and labor costs. Getting the parts yourself and getting it built is always the way to go. But getting prebuilts are a nice choice for those that are unable to build them, or get them built. I don't think I'd ever recommend big name prebuilts unless the pricing is SUPER good.

I may be able to get it built locally. Unclear at this time, but I will look into that more as well. Might have to go that route just to make sure it doesn't have any cringe neon lights on it.

 

[RagnarokIV]

I'm probably not going for that then lol.

I’ve played Cyberpunk in full path tracing at 1440p with my RTX 4070. DLSS had me covered.

I’ll send you some pics of my PC later but if you build yourself, you can avoid the cringe RGB GAMER style

 

[AV]

My #1 piece of advice is ignore anyone and everyone telling you to build your own.

Unless you're actively interested in the hobby of it, and want to spend hours upon hours researching and making sure you do it right, it's not even close to worth the hassle. Long ago prebuilts were often terrible and cost way more than doing it yourself. These days it just isn't worth it unless you're a real enthusiast about it. I used to build my own PCs and haven't bothered with the last 2 total refreshes I got.

#2 piece of advice is to shoot for a system + monitor/TV that will do 120hz, it's one of the major advantages of a PC being able to play older titles at higher resolutions and framerates easily. A 4K 120hz monitor is really going to future proof you - you won't run Cyberpunk at 4k120 now, but in X number of years when you upgrade your card again and want to replay it you might.

Also, go nVidia for GPU, not AMD. Their AI voodoo isn't nearly as good.

 

[Magic Carpet]

Also about the Best Buy Lenovo Legion I bought. I managed to get 0% interest for 2 years on their credit card.

 

[Robot Carnival]

I used to build my own PC with help of a more knowledgeable friend. but these days I'm older and really can't be bothered with the trouble of doing it myself (TBF these days the process is much easier), I just go with pre-builts. I got my current one from iBuypower like 2 years ago and it's still good right now. I also just recently got one for a friend of mine from Costco which is also great.

I'm going to guess something like this one above from back during Christmas would be pretty good for your gaming needs already. it comes with a decent keyboard and mouse too and we got a 34" widescreen monitor for $250 or so, so the whole setup was only $1250 before tax. go check and see if your local Costco/Sam's Club has any good deals going on. they might be worth it.

 

[German Hops]

Wisely means what exactly?

I mean consult any experts wherever you plan to buy your rig.

I got mine from a local Microcenter and they were surprisingly helpful and very knowledgeable.

 

[Punished Miku]

I mean consult any experts wherever you plan to buy your rig.

I got mine from a local Microcenter and they were surprisingly helpful and very knowledgeable.

Good to know. I didn't know if you could really trust people like that when you're about to buy something.

 

[RoboFu]

top cyberpunk? probably around $3000 min if you do not have anything at all.

 

[German Hops]

Good to know. I didn't know if you could really trust people like that when you're about to buy something.

The important thing to know is to have a solid idea of what you want and ask the appropriate questions.

They don't want to lose your business, but if they see you as an uninformed newb, they might take advantage.

 

[Punished Miku]

The important thing to know is to have a solid idea of what you want and ask the appropriate questions.

They don't want to lose your business, but if they see you as an uninformed newb, they might take advantage.

But what if you are an uninformed newb?

 

[MiguelItUp]

Good to know. I didn't know if you could really trust people like that when you're about to buy something.

Micro Center is definitely one of the good ones. When it comes to PC parts, or PCs in general they tend to have a great staff from my experience.

 

[German Hops]

But what if you are an uninformed newb?

You're not incurious, are you? Just go from there and you will get honest answers.

 

[Xyphie]

I'd avoid Lenovo/Dell/HP etc and go with a company that basically builds computers with off-the-shelf components and offer a warranty etc if you're not comfortable building yourself., you tend to get more value that way. Down the line you should look up some Youtube videos to learn how to install some extra SSDs if you find yourself needing more storage though.

This one from CyberPowerPC is OK if you pick the 32GB RAM upgrade on the options. $1724 for a 7800X3D (~$400) and 4070 Super ($600) build isn't terrible at all and will comfortably get you in excess of 2x console perf. No reason to go higher on the CPU purely for gaming and if you want more on the GPU side select a 4070 Ti Super, 4080 Super (~3x console perf) or 4090 (~4x console perf).

 

[JordiENP]

This time I bought a rtx 4060 laptop for $750 I can play cyberpunk at ultra, with rtx at psycho using frame generation (80 fps) and dlss. What I'm trying to say is, you don't need to spend that much.

 

[keefged4]

I'm not understanding why people are bringing up PS3 emulation as if its some new revelation, mid range PCs have been able to emulate PS3 for a number of years now. If emulation is your main concern, focus on a high end Intel CPU. If you want a bit of everything then go with a Ryzen CPU, at least a 5 5600 or above. As for GPU, 4070 or 4070 super will easily beat the current gen consoles.

 

[Fredrik]

Never had a prebuild, but what about this one?

Alienware R16 Gaming Desktop with Air Cooling & Liquid Cooling | Dell USA

Shop the Alienware R16 Gaming Desktop featuring with the latest 12th/13th Gen Intel^® Core™ processors and NVIDIA^® GeForce RTX™ 40/AMD Radeon™ RX graphics.

www.dell.com

Mouse:​ Dell Optical Mouse - MS116 (Black) More Info Quantity: 1
Keyboard:​ Dell Multimedia Keyboard-KB216 Black (English) More Info Quantity: 1
Wirelessi:​ Intel® Wi-Fi 6E AX210, 2x2, 802.11ax, MU-MIMO, Bluetooth® wireless card More Info Quantity: 1
Chassis Options:​ 1000W Platinum Rated PSU, 240mm Liquid-Cooled CPU & Clear Side Panel More Info Quantity: 1
Storage:​ 1 TB, M.2, PCIe NVMe, SSD More Info Quantity: 1
Memoryi:​ 32 GB: 2 x 16 GB, DDR5, 5600 MT/s More Info Quantity: 1
Graphics Card:​ NVIDIA® GeForce RTX™ 4070Ti SUPER 16GB GDDR6X More Info Quantity: 1
Operating System:​ Windows 11 Home, English, French, Spanish More Info Quantity: 1
Processor:​ Intel® Core™ i9 14900F (24-Core, 68MB Total Cache, 2.0GHz to 5.8GHz w/Turbo Boost Max 3.0) More Info Quantity: 1

 

[SlimySnake]

$3,000 for top of the line.

Dont settle for anything lower than 4090. 4080 or 4080 Supers are vastly underpowered in comparison.

4070 is trash.

Alienware Aurora R15 Gaming Desktop - Alienware Desktops | Dell USA

Shop the Alienware Aurora R15 Gaming Desktop, featuring top-to-bottom improvements in power, airflow, memory & liquid cooling, or view all gaming desktops at Dell.com.

www.dell.com

This is under $3000.

 

[Mister Wolf]

$3,000 for top of the line.

Dont settle for anything lower than 4090. 4080 or 4080 Supers are vastly underpowered in comparison.

4070 is trash.

Alienware Aurora R15 Gaming Desktop - Alienware Desktops | Dell USA

Shop the Alienware Aurora R15 Gaming Desktop, featuring top-to-bottom improvements in power, airflow, memory & liquid cooling, or view all gaming desktops at Dell.com.

www.dell.com

This is under $3000.

Yeah If you are going to make the investment you might as well go all in.

 

[Robot Carnival]

https://www.costco.com/ibuypower-slatemesh-gaming-desktop--13th-gen-intel-core-i7---13700f---geforce-rtx-4060---windows-11.product.4000210311.html

https://www.costco.com/acer-nitro-34%22-class-uwqhd-curved-gaming-monitor.product.4000157379.html

this won't run 2077 at the max out level but it should run it at a decent level without issue. the price had gone up a little without the Christmas discount but it's still a good deal. plus you can always return it since it's Costco.

 

[LectureMaster]

I can recommend Lenovo Legion Tower.

My Tower 7i:

Z790 chipset
13700kf
RTX 4080
32GB 5600 MHz
1 Tb PCIe 4.0 SSD
850 W PSU

I build PC all the time but couldn't beat the pre built price. After all discount and rebate it was like $1680 after tax.

Pros:
The price is unbeatable, it's gonna easily cost 2200+.

Lenovo has been a reliable big brand the build quality is great. Them using Z790 chipset says a lot.

The Lenovo Vantage software is easy to use for overclocking and performance tweaking.

Decent upgradability. 2 extra M.2 slots, 2 more channels for ram. And the GPU clearance is huge so you could upgrade to a 4090 without issues.

Cons:

As pre built machine, you lose quite a lot of MB level controls. There are no ways to overlock in BIOS, you can't do undervolt, etc.

The one I bought is with an air cooler and it was a half-assed one. TDP is only 150 W and that's quite incompetent for 13700kf, especially when you go overlock. Had to tear the whole tower down and switch to a Thermalright cooler. It could be hard for someone not experienced in building PC.

But overall, I am more than happy with my PC. I had to lurk on the deal forum for a while before the deal appeared but really, the final value I got is unbeatable, especially now we have the performance benchmark for 4080 super, lol.

And one last suggestion, go with 4080 or higher if you can. The large VRAM is gonna be very instrumental for frame generation technique. Nowadays there is no true resolution in PC gaming any more, everything is upscaling technique and having a large VRAM is future proof.

 

[Magic Carpet]

4070 is trash.

BS My 4070 can play CP77 with all the bells and whisles at over 60FPS. Ya just got to slide the DLSS a few clicks to the performance side of things.

Heres youtube Review pimping my new PC

 

[MiguelItUp]

Yeah If you are going to make the investment you might as well go all in.

Couldn't agree with this more. It's definitely an investment, but the better the system, the longer it'll be sustainable.

 

[Mister Wolf]

Couldn't agree with this more. It's definitely an investment, but the better the system, the longer it'll be sustainable.

I made the mistake of buying a 2080 and was pissed later on that I didn't just get the 2080ti.

 

[Punished Miku]

Alright, well I have a better idea now of what to expect. It will be several months saving up so I may bump the thread then when I'm finalizing. Thanks for everyone's suggestions.

 

[Robot Carnival]

Never had a prebuild, but what about this one?

Alienware R16 Gaming Desktop with Air Cooling & Liquid Cooling | Dell USA

Shop the Alienware R16 Gaming Desktop featuring with the latest 12th/13th Gen Intel^® Core™ processors and NVIDIA^® GeForce RTX™ 40/AMD Radeon™ RX graphics.

www.dell.com

Mouse:​ Dell Optical Mouse - MS116 (Black) More Info Quantity: 1
Keyboard:​ Dell Multimedia Keyboard-KB216 Black (English) More Info Quantity: 1
Wirelessi:​ Intel® Wi-Fi 6E AX210, 2x2, 802.11ax, MU-MIMO, Bluetooth® wireless card More Info Quantity: 1
Chassis Options:​ 1000W Platinum Rated PSU, 240mm Liquid-Cooled CPU & Clear Side Panel More Info Quantity: 1
Storage:​ 1 TB, M.2, PCIe NVMe, SSD More Info Quantity: 1
Memoryi:​ 32 GB: 2 x 16 GB, DDR5, 5600 MT/s More Info Quantity: 1
Graphics Card:​ NVIDIA® GeForce RTX™ 4070Ti SUPER 16GB GDDR6X More Info Quantity: 1
Operating System:​ Windows 11 Home, English, French, Spanish More Info Quantity: 1
Processor:​ Intel® Core™ i9 14900F (24-Core, 68MB Total Cache, 2.0GHz to 5.8GHz w/Turbo Boost Max 3.0) More Info Quantity: 1

$3,000 for top of the line.

Dont settle for anything lower than 4090. 4080 or 4080 Supers are vastly underpowered in comparison.

4070 is trash.

Alienware Aurora R15 Gaming Desktop - Alienware Desktops | Dell USA

Shop the Alienware Aurora R15 Gaming Desktop, featuring top-to-bottom improvements in power, airflow, memory & liquid cooling, or view all gaming desktops at Dell.com.

www.dell.com

This is under $3000.

on a side note, had Alienware improved their parts and case quality/design? I remember years ago I helped a friend to try fix his Alienware and the case had this weird design that basically traps all the heat inside, and the CPU fan was simply a joke. their price mark up was also a little too much for me to consider back when I was getting my current PC.

 

[amigastar]

$3,000 for top of the line.

Dont settle for anything lower than 4090. 4080 or 4080 Supers are vastly underpowered in comparison.

4070 is trash.

Alienware Aurora R15 Gaming Desktop - Alienware Desktops | Dell USA

Shop the Alienware Aurora R15 Gaming Desktop, featuring top-to-bottom improvements in power, airflow, memory & liquid cooling, or view all gaming desktops at Dell.com.

www.dell.com

This is under $3000.

If you wanna play at 4k then yes, 4070 is not good but for 2.560 x 1.440 it's alright.

 

[Buggy Loop]

Can't you wait 5000 series?

Never had a prebuild, but what about this one?

Alienware R16 Gaming Desktop with Air Cooling & Liquid Cooling | Dell USA

Shop the Alienware R16 Gaming Desktop featuring with the latest 12th/13th Gen Intel^® Core™ processors and NVIDIA^® GeForce RTX™ 40/AMD Radeon™ RX graphics.

www.dell.com

Processor:​ Intel® Core™ i9 14900F (24-Core, 68MB Total Cache, 2.0GHz to 5.8GHz w/Turbo Boost Max 3.0) More Info Quantity: 1
Operating System:​ Windows 11 Home, English, French, Spanish More Info Quantity: 1
Graphics Card:​ NVIDIA® GeForce RTX™ 4070Ti SUPER 16GB GDDR6X More Info Quantity: 1
Memoryi:​ 32 GB: 2 x 16 GB, DDR5, 5600 MT/s More Info Quantity: 1
Storage:​ 1 TB, M.2, PCIe NVMe, SSD More Info Quantity: 1
Chassis Options:​ 1000W Platinum Rated PSU, 240mm Liquid-Cooled CPU & Clear Side Panel More Info Quantity: 1
Wirelessi:​ Intel® Wi-Fi 6E AX210, 2x2, 802.11ax, MU-MIMO, Bluetooth® wireless card More Info Quantity: 1
Keyboard:​ Dell Multimedia Keyboard-KB216 Black (English) More Info Quantity: 1
Mouse:​ Dell Optical Mouse - MS116 (Black) More Info Quantity: 1

Don't Dell & Alienware have their own custom shit to be sure you will not be able to tinker with? Like custom motherboard, connections, CPU cooler, etc ?

They were badly reviewed by Gamers Nexus & Linus.



Punished Miku I would do a lot of research before buying Dell & Alienware.



@7:48, they still use a proprietary motherboard with front IO attached.... so E-WASTE and terrible upgrade path. DO NOT TOUCH. Seems they haven't learned their fucking lesson.

 

[Punished Miku]

Can't you wait 5000 series?

I can wait. This is going to be in the next 6-12 months most likely. If sales are typically in November, that's not terrible timing for me either.

 

[Fredrik]

on a side note, had Alienware improved their parts and case quality/design? I remember years ago I helped a friend to try fix his Alienware and the case had this weird design that basically traps all the heat inside, and the CPU fan was simply a joke. their price mark up was also a little too much for me to consider back when I was getting my current PC.

Yeah I have no idea, just googled on prebuilds.
Personally I would buy a custom build or build it myself. There are lots of experienced people here (not me) that could help choose the parts.
I’m thinking someone kind could start a thread about smaller and more compact PCs for the living room now that many might want to move from Xbox to PC if MS kill the platform.

 

[The Infectious Paradox]

Is it cheaper to build a PC? I have friends willing to teach me but just curious

 

[Fredrik]

Is it cheaper to build a PC? I have friends willing to teach me but just curious

If you know what you’re doing, absolutely.
If you’re like me? Nah. I payed over $5000 for my dumb 4090 build. (European prices and inflation and stupid choices like a 1500W PSU and mb with a screen)

 

[nikos]

My suggestion would be to never buy a pre-built PC.

 

[DenchDeckard]

Man, I wish you were in the UK. I would hook you up.

Budget wise I'm not too sure in the US. And I'm not sure which SI (system integrater) is the best. How are cyberpower, main gear etc?

If people could share some links I'll chime in with any advice I can.

Buy a prebuilt that offers you a good warranty on the entire pc. Building a PC is loads of fun when you know what you are doing but can be hell if you get a faulty part. Being able to return the whole pc and let them sort the issue. If you had one that is, would be much less headache.

Get a 4080 super if you can.

It's not too complicated tbh just want to make sure the manufacturer isn't cheaping out on motherboard, ram, nvme and psu really.

 

[Magic Carpet]

Decent upgradability. 2 extra M.2 slots, 2 more channels for ram. And the GPU clearance is huge so you could upgrade to a 4090 without issues.

Cons:

As pre built machine, you lose quite a lot of MB level controls. There are no ways to overlock in BIOS, you can't do undervolt, etc.

The one I bought is with an air cooler and it was a half-assed one. TDP is only 150 W and that's quite incompetent for 13700kf, especially when you go overlock. Had to tear the whole tower down and switch to a Thermalright cooler. It could be hard for someone not experienced in building PC.

I wish I had got the model you did.
My Lenovo case will not fit a card over 13 inches so a 4090 is out. I will also need to upgrade my 500 Watt power supply when the 5000 series hits.
I'm already thinking about buying the new Thermaltake Tower 300 case ($150) and just moving all the parts over to the new case.

As for the 150 W cooler, Gaming I've never seen it go over 80C, only benchmarking and stress testing does it start to throttle down.
but the Lenovo cases allow for both a bigger air cooler and an AIO up top.