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Off Duty Police Officer Hits 4 Year Old Girl w/ Motorcycle, Shoots and Kills Father..
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Choke on the Magic
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that sucks.
cheststrongwell
my cake, fuck off
Dad sounds like an asshole.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...ing-man-daughter-motorcycle-article-1.1135200
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...ing-man-daughter-motorcycle-article-1.1135200
echoshifting
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This is all very sad, but there is some dissonance between the claims that this guy was an amazing father and the fact that his first instinct was to assault the officer who just bailed from the bike rather than attend to the physical injuries of his child.
edit: also this, from the article...
...suggests the girl is not in critical condition. That's incorrect.
edit: also this, from the article...
...suggests the girl is not in critical condition. That's incorrect.
SlaughterX
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Proof of what? You can't just shoot someone because you're in a fist fight, off duty cop or not.
You didn't even provide a link you lazy individual.
Eh, there is a difference between a fist fight and being pummeled by a group of people.
Anyway all we have to go off of is news stories.
echoshifting
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NoRéN;40977042 said:
He did, but it is poorly marked and it contradicts his post.
Now, this I believe! No link required.
Palette Swap
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Honestly, from the description, I can understand finding your child slammed by the bike of a guy and starting to beat the shit out of him, cop or not:
That doesn't make him right or anything, there's nothing right about anything here.
NoRéN;40977042 said:
Yes he did, you just missed it.
Can't or shouldn't? Those are two different things. It probably was legal.
DUFFMCWALIN
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If you feel like your life is endangered yes you can.
cheststrongwell
my cake, fuck off
Link hiding in an it.
echoshifting
Banned
If the officer hadn't bailed from the bike, she would have. He saved her life.
After bailing a motorcycle to avoid hitting your 4 year old that ran in the street while the parents are having dinner at a restaurant.
The officer shot hit in the groin because he claims he was losing consciousness after being hit in the back of the head by the 18 year old and continually pummeled.
If I was the dad I would be more concerned about my child hurting in the street, and calling an ambulance.
Grimm Fandango
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After reading the article, thread title is a bit sensational.
Stormtrooper30
Member
Are you kidding me? Yes you can.
You serious? Unless the guy is deliberately trying to injure the girl by slamming his bike into her, there is absolutely no reason to just attack someone for what's most obviously an accident.
SlaughterX
Banned
That's a poor excuse, I'm sure some people find their life in danger walking down the street at night, that doesn't make it alright to shoot someone crossing by you on the sidewalk. Regardless of all that he could have fired a warning shot instead of instantly shooting his attacker.
Not trying to justify beating someone for what was clearly an accident either, but two wrongs don't make a right, etc etc... Also for the record, I don't know the guy or his family personally, so I can't comment on his mannerisms or temperment, not that it really matters.
DUFFMCWALIN
Member
Yup. Your child's life is more important than trying to beat up a guy who just bailed from his bike to save her life and is laying on the ground in pain. She ran out in the middle of the fucking road.
Barf_the_Mog
powerless or are they? o_O
- Off-duty police officer riding motorcycle
- 4 year old child darts into street as they are prone to do
- Rider attempts to swerve, but accident is unavoidable, child is hit
- Child's father becomes violently confrontational with cyclist (despite this being an accident)
- Person identifies himself as a cop, but father says "I don't give a __?__" and punches him in the face like any rational parent would do after their child was involved in an accident (edit: sarcasm)
- Unknown 3rd party attacks officer
- 18-year old cousin also starts to hit the officer
- Officer , fearing loss of consciousness while being violently attacked, removes pistol and fires one shot, killing the father
- 4 year old child darts into street as they are prone to do
- Rider attempts to swerve, but accident is unavoidable, child is hit
- Child's father becomes violently confrontational with cyclist (despite this being an accident)
- Person identifies himself as a cop, but father says "I don't give a __?__" and punches him in the face like any rational parent would do after their child was involved in an accident (edit: sarcasm)
- Unknown 3rd party attacks officer
- 18-year old cousin also starts to hit the officer
- Officer , fearing loss of consciousness while being violently attacked, removes pistol and fires one shot, killing the father
Rockandrollclown
lookwhatyou'vedone
He was fading away and being stomped on the ground. That could have been his version of a warning shot. He was assaulted by at least 3 people, I would say its reasonable to fear for your life there.
These two things are exactly nothing alike.
BlueTsunami
there is joy in sucking dick
Fitting since the article paints this scenario much different than the OP
This.
RiccochetJ
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If I'm on the ground and you and someone else are kicking the shit out of me and I'm about to lose consciousness, I'm going to shoot you. Fuck a warning shot. I wouldn't even know if that would stop you. I'm going to make sure.
A rational person attends to his daughter, he doesn't mercilessly attack the guy who hit her.
If he was being pummeled by multiple people on the ground then intentionally pointing his gun away from them and firing will just lead to getting his gun snatched away.
It sounds like she was left in the care of her 18-year-old cousin, who obviously was not well-versed in taking care of small children.
DUFFMCWALIN
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He was supposedly blacking out. I would shoot whoever was gang beating me if I was in his shoes. Don't say shit like warning shots unless you've been in something like this. Why would you pull a gun in that instance unless its a life or death situation? He's getting his fucking head caved in he's not going to be thinking rationally. It isn't that easy to think rationally under that right after he jumped off of his bike to try to avoid the girl.
Flame Lord
Member
From the sound of the thread title I was thinking he ran over the girl then got rid of witnesses or something.... Once I read that the father and others started beating the fuck out of him and he was just defending himself I kinda felt less sorry for the guy.
Sucks about the girl though, but at least she's okay.
Sucks about the girl though, but at least she's okay.
SpectreFire
Member
If you're being pummelled by a bunch of people trying to kill you?
Yeah... you can. That is the exact situation where you're allowed to shoot people.
Sucks that it happened to your gf's friend, but the title is misleading. The girl ran into the street and the officer tried to avoid hitting her. The father, instead of seeing whether his own daughter is okay, ran to beat the officer with people joining in.
If the article is true, then it's self defense, not manslaughter. Also the quote about the father not being a violent man is very ironic given the circumstances.
Sho_Nuff82
Member
Your first reaction after a traffic accident would be to beat the crap out of the person responsible as opposed to calling 911 for your daughter and/or tending to her injuries?
So he supposed to take a beating from two people due to an accident? Your titles and lack of details paints a picture as if a reckless, off-duty officer who struck a child down and then for no reason shot the father.
What were you expecting, everyone to rush in this thread and scream "fuck the police"? He made a mistake and attempted to ditch the bike hoping the damage done would be lessened. Unfortunately the bike, laying sideways still stuck the child. It was terrible accident. After identifying himself as an officer, the response shouldn't have been to "punch him in the face and continue to pummel him after he fell to the ground." With a second person (the cousin who was tending to the downed child) joining in on the attack.
Maybe if he was acting as a FATHER and kept better track of his child this wouldn't have happened. Maybe if they spent more time getting paramedics and tending to the child everything could have been fine. Now the officer has to live with the guilt and be painted as a villain. Great.
And tell me, if you're on the ground taking a savage beating from two grown men, where exactly in the are are you supposed to shoot?
echoshifting
Banned
We don't need to defend his actions due to the heat of the moment, though. Everything he did here was rational and appropriate. The warning shot suggestion makes absolutely no sense given the situation. This was not a fistfight. This was a guy who had just been involved in an accident through no fault of his own who was then mercilessly beaten by three assailants.
Stormtrooper30
Member
The officer fired only one single shot while being assaulted by at least two people. Hardly unnecessary force as he was losing consciousness and laying on the ground being kicked/punched.
Yes it is a terrible tragedy, but that father handled this entire situation horribly.
Yes it is a terrible tragedy, but that father handled this entire situation horribly.
Barf_the_Mog
powerless or are they? o_O
... I know that.
cutmeamango
Banned
He was shot in the groin, which unfortunately can lead to some very nasty bleedings.
But yeah, the girl ran into the street, at 10pm. The dude threw himself of the bike as to avoid a stronger impact, gets up and goes to help the child.
All in all, unfortunate, but the death of the parent could have been avoided by himself, not the other victim.
But yeah, the girl ran into the street, at 10pm. The dude threw himself of the bike as to avoid a stronger impact, gets up and goes to help the child.
All in all, unfortunate, but the death of the parent could have been avoided by himself, not the other victim.
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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I swear it's like a stock quote that appears in any store about a person being arrested for a violent crime or being killed due to violent behavior.
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