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Batman vs Superman: World's Finest Three-Year Wait
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Bobby Roberts
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Adam Sessler barely makes a good video game host, much less a good Lex Luthor.
Considering the cast features quite a few legitimately good-to-great actors, (Amy Adams, Laurence Fishburne, Jesse Eisenberg, Jeremy Irons, Diane Lane, and yeah - Ben Affleck is good) I'm sure there's loads of big-budget movies that feature much more questionable casting.
Sephzilla said:
Considering the cast features quite a few legitimately good-to-great actors, (Amy Adams, Laurence Fishburne, Jesse Eisenberg, Jeremy Irons, Diane Lane, and yeah - Ben Affleck is good) I'm sure there's loads of big-budget movies that feature much more questionable casting.
Not disputing that the cast is loaded with good actors, it just seems like they're pulling actors who don't necessarily seem right for some of the roles.
That said, I think Affleck is going to make a good Batman. If he doesn't do Bale's goofy TDK/TDKR voice he'll already be on the right path.
Miles Quaritch
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Seems it's only speculation as no source is provided, but Jesus Christ at this even being entertained as speculation...
Can't remember where I read it but the Superman suit is suposed to have a few changes, can't wait to see it.....
.......oh right, the Batman one too.
A more visible gold belt would be nice.
Damn, that's a lot of talent to waste.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
LOL, should have clarified it was a tongue-in-cheek suggestion.
I know, I was just throwing an unfair shot at the Sess.
Changes to the Superman suit seem inevitable. I wonder if they'll explain how/why he decided to change his family jammies.
Blader said:
Well, that's the real trick, isn't it. It really comes down to whether Terrio delivers a solid script. Because Snyder is only good as his script. That's the one constant across his spotty filmography: Script is decent? Movie is decent. Script not so hot? Movie gets in trouble.
StormyTheRabbit
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While the idea is kind of sound, Max Landis comes off as such a pompous prick that I have a hard time backing any idea of his out of spite. Call me jaded. Meh.
bigboss370
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what the fuck are they doing?
I actually think it's more of a Snyder problem than a script problem. I don't think Snyder really knows how to direct actors, which is why Man of Steel, despite boasting a pretty impressive cast, doesn't have one particularly noteworthy performance. I mean, Amy Adams and Russel Crowe were both pretty flat as fuck, and the only one who did try putting some oomph into his part - Michael Shannon - ended up all over the place because he had no direction on when and where to scenery chew.
It should actually work out pretty well in Affleck's favor though since that guy can direct himself no problem.
James Woods
Banned
The first publicity shot of Cavill as Superman was released in June 2011, a year and a half away from the original December 2012 release date, I expect to see Batfleck by spring.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
The actors did pretty well. They came off flat because they were working from a script that gave them no real reason to be people. Because Goyer didn't really write PEOPLE. He wrote plot devices and exposition machines.
When a screenwriter can blend characterization and personality with actions that move the plot forward, Snyder can direct that, and the performances reflect that as well. Look at Watchmen, for example, or Dawn of the Dead.
Snyder can get performances - he just doesn't seem to have any sort of feel for how to make stories work once they're given to him. So the script has to be really fuckin solid before he gets his hands on it.
Hopefully Terrio (and Affleck, I'd imagine) are working that out right now.
When a screenwriter can blend characterization and personality with actions that move the plot forward, Snyder can direct that, and the performances reflect that as well. Look at Watchmen, for example, or Dawn of the Dead.
Snyder can get performances - he just doesn't seem to have any sort of feel for how to make stories work once they're given to him. So the script has to be really fuckin solid before he gets his hands on it.
Hopefully Terrio (and Affleck, I'd imagine) are working that out right now.
MisterHero
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I listened to SupermanHomepage's video about the Eisenberg announcement and somewhere in there it said that Geoff Johns is going to be an executive producer.
i don't know how i should feel about that
i don't know how i should feel about that
Bobby Roberts
Banned
It's a tacked-on title. He's got no input.
Maidenpool?
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I bet Zimmer bails out
... I read he really enjoyed doing Nolan's trilogy and is "conflicted" about doing another Batman...
... I read he really enjoyed doing Nolan's trilogy and is "conflicted" about doing another Batman...
Maidenpool?
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I thought it was alright... but ya It kind of seemed like he took one or two melodies and hit the replay button
MisterHero
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Ah.
Now that I think about it though, they could be using parts of his past work to adapt within the movie.
Eisenberg almost makes sense here.
Watchmen is actually a great example of what I'm talking about. :lol
Patrick Wilson and Malin Akerman were completely dull (see: their diner conversation), and Carla Gugino from under a pound of makeup was just flat out bad. Even Jeffrey Dean Morgan, who definitely captured the look and voice of Comedian, was basically going through the motions. Matthew Goode was the most problematic but that may more of a casting issue since I think the whole character was misread from top to bottom.
Haley and Crudup were the highlights and both did incredible work, but that's all part of the "actors directing themselves" problem: Some of them know what to do and how to nail it, but a lot of people are just kind of floundering around without any sort of direction.
Alternatively, Snyder was only able to elicit those two performances himself while failing to get the same from the rest of the cast. So pick your poison.
Bobby Roberts
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If Zimmer does bail, it's not as if another composer can't step in and work wonders with the main Clark/Superman motif bit. It'd be nice if he came back, but I wouldn't mind another composer getting a crack at the Man of Steel.
Well, I disagree when it comes to Wilson and Morgan, really. Wilson's performance is understated and pretty accurate to Dreiberg's characterization from the novel. I thought he brought that character to quiet life. Akerman was just bad casting (as was Goode, as you pointed out) and Gugino... I dunno. That was just weird.
It's hard to discuss because the director's input on the actors choices DOES only go so far, but an actors choices can be steered by a really good director. But even in the best cases, it's never a matter of a director just yanking a string and getting an actor to do exactly what he wants. For example - I'm not sure Jackie Earle Haley is a great example of "being able to direct himself," looking at his filmography. His strongest work is with strong directors.
Marion Cobretti
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I remember seeing or reading he was already thinking about what he was gonna do.
George Oscar Bluth II
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This seems like Gal is bulking up a bit
Emphasis on the bolded.
DonasaurusRex
Online Ho Champ
keep practicing
Yeah...I imagine even her face will look a little different if she does a serious bulk up.
DonasaurusRex
Online Ho Champ
nah she aint doin roids...babes with new neck posture are taking some damn hormones. Women that bulk up take a while cause first they get small, muscle is dense they lose inches then have to eat a ton of protein to get "big". I have no comment on body builders but usually they can get as big as fitness competition girls.
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Exactly. She does have a career outside of acting. She's not about to put that in jeopardy by taking something that would really increase her size unnaturally. This is a Snyder film. Regardless of how she is looking in the end the action scenes are going to look great and sell. It's what he does best so in that regard no one should worry.
Marion Cobretti
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Yeah, I'm pretty sure that if she's gonna do any fighting, it'll be Snyder caliber and she (or her CG model) will look awesome doing whatever she does, regardless of how buff she is.
Marion Cobretti
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I know I know, Latino Review, but I'm bored.
lovely ladies
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I'm hoping those descriptions were written before the rewrites... doesn't really sound that great. Part about the tattoo is especially cringe worthy.
karasu
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This role is probably a game changer for her. She'd better be ingesting tren,test, and the entire fucking pharmacy.
Salvor.Hardin
Banned
Well, Latino Reviews was right about Batman and Superman teaming up for a film after MoS, which seemed highly unlikely.
The street thug Lex sounds interesting.
The street thug Lex sounds interesting.
Wiktor
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She's 28. Her modeling career is close to done by this age. Better to throw everything she got at this golden ticked that WW role is.
This seems like Gal is bulking up a bit
This is supposed to be impressive or something?
That...actually sound interesting. I was a bit sceptical of the street thug Lex that seems to be making the rounds but really it seems like Lex could be a great villain to both Bruce Wayne and Superman if this is the way the movie choses to go.
KeeSomething
Banned
It takes a little bit of time to bulk up.
poopninjamvc3mk
I sucked six dicks to get this tag.
If this is legit thats actually an excellent premise for a Batman Superman movie.
It was posted weeks ago and exactly 6 days after Eisenberg's casting- which had remained completely secret for more than 130 days. The convenient timing of Luthor-related click-bait right after interest in Luthor was spiked by the casting announcement should be viewed with extreme skepticism.
Wiktor
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I didn't see this clip before...damn..that was awesome. Landis has such a great understanding and feeling of what makes superheroes tick. Why the hell didn't anyone give him a major DC or Marvel propery?
b&jy77VjiKn$#F
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That is what baffles me as well. I mean Zack Snyder he's always tries to be flashy and stuff but then again he made Watchmen as faithful as he could. I don't see why a new incarnation of Lex Luthor is needed for this movie...
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