Maybe in order to take GOW to the next level you need new blood? I don't know.
Personally, I have zero interest in GOW.
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IGN: ~50 Layoffs at Sony Santa Monica, Project Canceled [Up2: Was Stig's New IP]
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Maybe in order to take GOW to the next level you need new blood? I don't know.
Personally, I have zero interest in GOW.
BlackBuzzard
Banned
If it wasnt coming a long as planned it might just be better to cut their losses. We just dont know, but you dont cut a project just because reasons.
Maybe if 3Drealms had cut their losses when Fornever wasnt coming together they would still exist. Same goes for Irrational and ID with Rage.
Maybe if 3Drealms had cut their losses when Fornever wasnt coming together they would still exist. Same goes for Irrational and ID with Rage.
Dont think so, they are still advertising for Open World Level Designer -
http://sms.playstation.com/careers/
Edit - although they might not have updated site yet, was posted at beginning of the year
Phoenician_Viking
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On neogaf, it was assumed that because of the description on the job adds.
BlackBuzzard
Banned
Working with the RaD team so most likely.
dragonbane
Member
Job postings heavily indicated sci-fi, cars and open world.
Marc
Member
Hmmm... yeah.... this explains a lot.
Prince Vultan
Banned
The amount of wilful ignorance in this thread is painful to read.
When was a new GoW ever NOT going to happen regardless exactly?
When was a new GoW ever NOT going to happen regardless exactly?
funkystudent
Member
Pretty sure he works in the part of SSM that helps with outside studios so he should be fine.
Uno Venova
Banned
It's looking like I'm not going to be interested much in SSM's output this generation, tired of God of War.
Freeman
Banned
No, not the new IP... come on!
No way I'm going to buy another God of War so soon, look at what ND did with TLoU, thats how its done.
ND doing Uncharted 4 was already bothering me ,this pushes my plans of getting a PS4 anytime soon. I was counting that something new and ambitious was coming out of SSM. Sony has everything to dominate this gen(due to MS fumble), but it looks like they are not that ambitious.
There is a void in the sci-fi genre since ME collapsed, such a missed opportunity.
Another Killzone, another GoW, another Infamous, another Uncharted. Sure feels next gen, back to the PC I guess.
No way I'm going to buy another God of War so soon, look at what ND did with TLoU, thats how its done.
ND doing Uncharted 4 was already bothering me ,this pushes my plans of getting a PS4 anytime soon. I was counting that something new and ambitious was coming out of SSM. Sony has everything to dominate this gen(due to MS fumble), but it looks like they are not that ambitious.
There is a void in the sci-fi genre since ME collapsed, such a missed opportunity.
Another Killzone, another GoW, another Infamous, another Uncharted. Sure feels next gen, back to the PC I guess.
RamzaIsCool
The Amiga Brotherhood
It's more of going forward. I always liked that Sony made a shitload of new IP's, but my fear is that like allmost every other dev out we mostly will get updates of existing franchises. Maybe I couldn't be more wrong and you people can point that out for sure, but I rather not be called a troll! That was the gist of my previous post. Anyway this is getting OT.
I want to say yes, because he was working for the external division. But who knows for sure?
Ryu Hayabusa
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Not only Sony Santa Monica
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http://www.engadget.com/2014/02/26/sony-stores-closing/?ncid=rss_truncated
Both your shit posts deserve my passive aggressive shit posts.
How about read the thread before mindlessly spewing every random thought that comes to your mind?
I have no doubt about that, but unlike what the post I was replying to, all hope should not be put at the feet of Druckmann's next outing.
Infinite Justice
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Apparently yes, but for how long is anyone's question tbh
Sucks to see a new IP squashed, but better the IP and a few jobs than pulling a Ken Levin and torpedoing his entire studio and talent group!
These sorts of things are the hard, smart business decisions that need to be done more often. If something not coming together, just let it go man.
No one wins when publishers and devs throw bad money at bad and hope everything works out in the end.
These sorts of things are the hard, smart business decisions that need to be done more often. If something not coming together, just let it go man.
No one wins when publishers and devs throw bad money at bad and hope everything works out in the end.
I made a thread the other specifically mentioning how my eyes were on SSM this gen and how they need to deliver.
I bet they got timid with their poor internal showings and canned that new IP. I'm down for a new GoW but it needs to be as differing and ambitious as TLoU was to U3.
GoW4 needs to be completely left-field, it needs to buck all trends. If they want epic set pieces that's fine. But do it like SoTC, or do something completely different in between huge boss encounters.
These decisions are...uh.. not likely related.
Closing the stores is probably a decision made way way way way wayyy higher up the food chain then cancelling a project in one particular division.
I repeat: Do you really think that ALL of those 50 people were AAA developers?
We demand better 1st party games to sony, but at the same time we get mad because sony fired a bunch of people that maybe, just maybe... did not do their job well? And sony maybe want to use those resources to get better results?
Madness!!!
dragonbane
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Yeah, honestly wait for E3 2015. This is where we will get a bunch of awesome new exclusives announced by SSM, Quantic Dream, possibly Neil Druckmann etc.
It's definitely what I'm going to do. I expect a great E3 2014 and an amazing E3 2015. Will probably bite in Fall 2015 or something. Until then my PC/PS3 is more than enough.
Sony getting Nintendofied. GoW and Uncharted games till the end of times! A shame imo.
Sure you did. Nintendo has no place in this thread, and you have both no evidence to support your GoW and Uncharted forever and ever, claims. Not to mention both SSM and ND both have 2 teams.
I have a PSN ID, is not validation for trolling. You're opinion on Nintendo has no place in this thread. The post contributed nothing to the thread. Then you pretty much personally insult Mort.
You need a new tag. That'd be funny.
Because it's likely they did the numbers and that if they finished the game from the point it was at now, it wasn't going to make it's money back, or it would have not been up to par and may have damaged the studio reputation.
A cancelled game is not a trend. Especially one that was never announced.
Krusenstern
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And it's the new IP of course!
God. Fucking. Damn. It.
God. Fucking. Damn. It.
hydrophilic attack
Member
This is really sad
You don't fire 50 people because they were incompetent, and you JUST NOW realized it. You fire that many people because hiring them was the mistake that was made, and it was unsustainable.
It's better that the deal with this now rather than later, but it's an awful position for everyone involved. I could only imagine work moral their after losing so much talent. Your friends are gone, and now you have more responsibilities to fill yourself.
Yeah, hopefully they can focus down a few games to be really good. But imagine if mistakes weren't made to start.
LilWayneSuckz
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Just because the PS4 is selling well doesn't mean that a large studio can just sustain itself from that alone. They need to ship games that sell millions.
Just because the 360 was selling well, doesn't mean 343 Industries can just take up developer manpower into making a new IP that is either a niche title that will not sell or one that isn't seeing good progress
I don't want to put those people on blast, because some were veterans. But we shoud keep in mind that out of the 240 existing employees-- management found that the 50 that were fired weren't worth keeping. There's still 190 other very talented people working there. That's still 58 more talented people working there now than there was for the development of God of War 3. And 124 more than there were back in the PS2 era.
B-but Knack...!
If by AAA you mean brilliant developers then they should close Guerrilla.
Marc
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Read 35 pages to respond to the initial thread, right, on it. Good looking out, makes so much sense now... why didn't I think of that? To respond to a thread, I have to read every single post, including insights from fine fellows such as yourself in order to have an opinion.
Thanks man, really appreciate the input.
So where are we with SSM now? How long from their last release to whatever we see next? What are the ~170 people doing?
We also have to be careful with 'new IP = brilliant'. New IP can mean more experimentation,but it doesn't guarantee quality. Likewise a 'cash in, safe sequel' can really push things forward (think uncharted 2).
Why so black and white?
We also have to be careful with 'new IP = brilliant'. New IP can mean more experimentation,but it doesn't guarantee quality. Likewise a 'cash in, safe sequel' can really push things forward (think uncharted 2).
Why so black and white?
So, they are closing stores to maintain competitiveness, seems logical to me.
How about read the page that post is on? What you can't be bothered to read that?
dragonbane
Member
Quantic Dream is working on a new AAA sci-fi IP. Media Molecule is probably working on a new IP. Guerilla Games is working on a new IP. Neil Druckmann at Naughty Dog can make a new IP if he wants to. Evolution releases DC soon, a new IP. RaD releases The Order soon, a new IP. Japan is likely working on new IPs.
Your fears are really unfounded.
bigboss370
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It was Stig's new IP? I wonder why
It was too awesome.It was Stig's new IP? I wonder why
tokyo slim
Banned
Preorder cancelled?
TheSpaceBetween
Member
Yes, you said two games in seven years, when it was three games in six years.
GOW II - March 2007
GOW III - March 2010
GOW: A - March 2013
redblack85
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RamzaIsCool
The Amiga Brotherhood
Yeah I guess I was wrong to bring Nintendo in all of this. And now I read what I wrote I came a bit strong on mort. So apologies about that, didn't mean to insult. I just wanted to point out that I also can post stuff even if they are wrong as hell!
And leave my tag alone Amiga 4 evah!
it's only problem
Shin-Ra
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Wat.
All these upcoming games are new IP or risky.
CounterSpy
DriveClub
Everybody's Gone to the Rapture
Hell Divers
Hohokum
The Order: 1886
RIME
Shadow of the Beast (old IP but risky)
Edith Finch
The Last Guardian
And these developers are supposed to be working on brand new IP too.
Guerrilla Games
Japan Studio
London Studio
Media Molecule
Quantic Dream
Supermassive Games
Wish Studios
Zindagi Games
And Naughty Dog's still deciding on their TLoU followup. You may not be trolling, but you don't know what you're talking about.
Revolutionary
Member
I didn't even know Stig was still with Santa Monica. I saw him in a Full Sail commercial and assumed he was done with them.
Mr. PlayStation
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But they moved to their new studio, away from Santa Monica to Playa Vista, even released a youtube video showing how awesome it is to work at their studio. What's going on?
I take it that's sarcastic?
Dedicated retail is a smoldering hole surrounded on all sides by Amazon executives pointing and laughing.
An unannounced game, which we didn't even know the genre versus one set to be released in the next few months??
Cow Goes Moo
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well that's lame
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