funkystudent
Member
Ubisoft has the Tetris licence now right?
I cant wait to see the 300 person, cross studio dev team that works on that.
I cant wait to see the 300 person, cross studio dev team that works on that.
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Trials Fusion has a dev team of 210?
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SkullplateMurray
Member
RedLynx is 110 people.
100 other people from various parts of Ubisoft have lent their support at certain points in development for specific tasks.
Not sure how that = 210 dev team
100 other people from various parts of Ubisoft have lent their support at certain points in development for specific tasks.
Not sure how that = 210 dev team
I don't understand why them announcing the game will receive post-launch support bothers you so much. I mean, is there a difference between them saying it now or saying it later when the outcome is the same? Pretty much all bigger name games get DLC nowadays. Shouldn't be a shock to hear at this point. Anyways, miss out if you want.
Its still surprising that they need 110 people for a game like this. And even then, they still need to enlist the help of 100 more. Its Trials. Not flippin Elder Scrolls.
And they scrapped online play...WTF Redlynx?
It also sucks that there won't be retail version for the 360. I'd pay 40e for a physical copy dammit!
SkullplateMurray
Member
Unlikely that 110 people ever worked full time on it - remember that RedLynx has been developing another game (Frontier) too.
I don't get the moaning about "needing help". There are qualified people available in the larger Ubisoft family who might know more than you about next-gen consoles, or server architecture? And you don't ask them to chip in? Ludicrous.
Didn't realize they had more than one project. That does make it better.
As for the added help, its mainly just a sign that they're spending a lot of resources(time, effort, money) on this game, meaning that the expectations for success will be extremely high and puts the IP's future on the line. Basically, everything that people are complaining about with AAA gaming at the moment.
SkullplateMurray
Member
I take your point (and it's obvious Ubi wants the game to be a great success) but this is how Ubisoft works. And far from increasing the cost, spreading the workload thinly across their army of people actually keeps costs low.
And you could argue that by getting support with technical stuff (optimising for next-gen, making sure it can launch on multiple platforms at the same time) it keeps the core game itself in the hands of RedLynx - which is surely better.
SlickShoes
Member
I worked in QA and we had a team of about 20 QA Testers for each platform that the game was going to be released on. Sure it was a much bigger game than Trials but if they are releasing on 5 platforms you can bet they have at LEAST 5-10 QA Testers working on each platform. That alone will fill in a large part of the 210 number folk are throwing about without any idea of what kind of work it takes to bring out a game on 5 platforms.
RoadHazard
Gold Member
Well, let's hope that means better QA work than they managed for the PC port of Evo. That piece of shit* still isn't fixed, AFAIK.
* The underlying game is awesome, of course, but the technical issues are just unforgivable.
* The underlying game is awesome, of course, but the technical issues are just unforgivable.
Visualante2
Member
they actually did all these super detailed zbrush sculpts for trials HD and imo the detail is lost on screen.
OrangeCrush
Neo Member
Well, in all honesty, the size of the team is not the only thing one needs to look at. A development team of 50 that works for 3 years to bring a title to market is no different than a team of 150 that works for 1 year to bring a title to market. In other words, development time is the other side of the equation that needs to be looked at before making any sort of judgement.
Normally, I would agree that a team of 210 is hugely excessive, but if they brought together a team that large to get the title done in 1/2 to 1/3 the time it normally would have taken then that is a different story entirely. So really without knowing the whole story in regards to development time, there really isnt much one can say about this issue.
Personally, I consider Trials to be AAA Xbox Live Arcade content. This is one of my absolute favorite games from this last generation and I would be HUGELY dissappointed if this next iteration didn't live up to the previous entries in the series. I also think it was a big mistake on MS's part not buying this studio outright after the first release.
Normally, I would agree that a team of 210 is hugely excessive, but if they brought together a team that large to get the title done in 1/2 to 1/3 the time it normally would have taken then that is a different story entirely. So really without knowing the whole story in regards to development time, there really isnt much one can say about this issue.
Personally, I consider Trials to be AAA Xbox Live Arcade content. This is one of my absolute favorite games from this last generation and I would be HUGELY dissappointed if this next iteration didn't live up to the previous entries in the series. I also think it was a big mistake on MS's part not buying this studio outright after the first release.
RedLynx has always delivered on their DLC packs, so your reaction is really bizarre. Would not announcing them before release make any difference?
I think the Sculpts are only done to get detailed Normal Maps for the LowPoly Model?
The Albatross
Member
Pretty sure Ubi just throws staff at these projects just to inflate the number of it. 110 or 200, for a game that basically took 15 people 4 or 5 years ago is ridiculous. Especially when the tools for creation already largely exist...
Ubi probably just hires a bunch of contractors in India, and that organization probably has ~20 employees, 1 or 2 of which are working on the Ubi contract and Ubi says that they're working on Trials Fusion. Work of porting to different consoles is probably accounting for those bumps. What's too bad is all of those people will be let go when the project launches if there isn't something they can immediately transition to.
I can't even imagine working on a project that has 15 people 5 years ago and then working on essentially the same project with 200 people... It'd be a fucking nightmare because no project manager can go from managing 15 people to managing 200 in 2-years... Or from managing 15 contributors to managing 15 managers (who in turn are managing 15 contributors)
Trials & Red Lynx DLC offerings have been SPOT ON for what DLC should be, though. Perfect cadence, perfect price, perfect number of tracks/modes/unlockables/vehicles. They figured that shit out with Trials Evo. It was like as soon as I had really perfect the majority of the initial tracks (or, had given up), the DLC dropped and it was awesome.
Ubi probably just hires a bunch of contractors in India, and that organization probably has ~20 employees, 1 or 2 of which are working on the Ubi contract and Ubi says that they're working on Trials Fusion. Work of porting to different consoles is probably accounting for those bumps. What's too bad is all of those people will be let go when the project launches if there isn't something they can immediately transition to.
I can't even imagine working on a project that has 15 people 5 years ago and then working on essentially the same project with 200 people... It'd be a fucking nightmare because no project manager can go from managing 15 people to managing 200 in 2-years... Or from managing 15 contributors to managing 15 managers (who in turn are managing 15 contributors)
Trials & Red Lynx DLC offerings have been SPOT ON for what DLC should be, though. Perfect cadence, perfect price, perfect number of tracks/modes/unlockables/vehicles. They figured that shit out with Trials Evo. It was like as soon as I had really perfect the majority of the initial tracks (or, had given up), the DLC dropped and it was awesome.
Skyrim had 90 people working on it.
Visualante2
Member
Yeah but the character is so small on the screen. It seems like a waste to me sculpting the individual bolts on a helmet.
The game will begin as a historical third-person action-adventure game in which it is your goal to obtain all seven Tetriminos from the malicious grasp of the Templars.
That's just DLC. Expansion packs.
I'd consider micro-transactions to be paying for consumables. Or each item for the track builder costs you money.
Doug Heffernan
Member
Someone's gotta make all that DLC...
Neuromancer
Member
Hey I didn't bring it up!
Yeah that's a bummer. But they said almost no one played it; assuming that's true I can understand why they'd cut it.And they scrapped online play...WTF Redlynx?
It also sucks that there won't be retail version for the 360. I'd pay 40e for a physical copy dammit!
Delusibeta
Banned
Ultimately, it's Trials, it will probably be very good and the season pass is a fairly safe bet. Assuming they don't screw up the PC port again, I'll probably jump in day one.
funkystudent
Member
I hear the hunting and crafting is going to be pretty fun as well.
Also the animation for the tetris pieces is going to be procedural. No 2 blocks will ever come together in the same way!
SneakyStephan
Banned
this
and a season pass? what?... fuck you ubisoft
I love trials but may this bomba harder than any bomba before it
I don't see micro transactions here...
LilWayneSuckz
Member
Please don't underperform. I didn't even realize download-only studios were that big. That just might be more manpower than Ready At Dawn
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
NO! It's what's wrong with some gaming companies.
Doug Heffernan
Member
Really, no online play? Dammit Ubisoft!
Their excuse is a load of crap too. I played a bunch of multiplayer in Trials Evo last month and had no issues matchmaking with different folks.
I think I'll stick with Trials Evo, thank you very much.
Good thing the community is still supporting it with amazing tracks.
InaudibleWhispa
Member
Not at launch, but -- "Rather than jettison online multiplayer entirely, the team is re-evaluating the mode and would like to rebuild it with input and feedback from players.
"We want to continue with it so we already have extensions in the pipeline. We've been working on them, but it's also a question of can we involve the community to give feedback on what makes sense?
"The whole online multiplayer - there will be something like this but we're still thinking about how to do it right."
InaudibleWhispa
Member
On the Giant Bomb quick look Brad said they had it running at 1080p/60fps on average PC's.
Welcome to everything that's wrong with big-publisher projects.
No online play at launch seems to be quite a joke. I loved Trials HD on 360 and the online multiplayer aspect was excellent, so having it not available means this is a no for me.
Their statement regarding the future of multiplayer sounds really vague as well. Why do they have to ask the players?, just implement what you had before, it's that simple.
Their statement regarding the future of multiplayer sounds really vague as well. Why do they have to ask the players?, just implement what you had before, it's that simple.
Doug Heffernan
Member
I read that as "multiplayer DLC add-on." :/
BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO
Junior Member
WOW
I should have mentioned that it was more the multiplayer aspect of Trials Gold which was a mess, but now I've just read that it won't be included at launch and their plans for it in the future sound vague at best. Shame.
jhmtehgamr20xx
Banned
Another dev set to go out of business. Cray.
War Raichu
Member
just as I was starting to get excited about the game after seeing footage, I see that Ubi is already poised to crash it into a mountain
Vanillalite
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People wonder why we have issues in the gaming industry. The total ineptitude and mismanagement at some bigger firms is sad.
Neuromancer
Member
I really don't think having an extra 100 people to help out with some things makes Red Lynx a 210 man team. Especially if those things are, as the article states, QA, server stuff and transitioning to next gen. This is clearly their most ambitious game yet and they're also working on 6 separate DLC addons, which will most likely be great and extend the life of the game (based on my experience with Evolution's DLC).
I think the reactions in this thread are a bit over the top. Let's hold off on the funeral for Red Lynx until we see how this game does. My guess is it will sell fantastically.
I think the reactions in this thread are a bit over the top. Let's hold off on the funeral for Red Lynx until we see how this game does. My guess is it will sell fantastically.
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
Yea. This thread is full of people who don't understand the studio system and development process. What's amusing though is that some people seem angry about it - as if people bringing you nice things is a bad thing.
At least the price is still low despite the all inclusive staff number.
Neuromancer
Member
It's $40 here [for the retail version], full price games are $60.