Lol after reading this thread I've had to adjust my baseline estimate for average GAFfer reading comprehension. It's not the majority of GAF that has issues with understanding the strings of words that we call sentences, but a fair few really bring the aggregate comprehension level way down.
This is some shameful shit, what with the baseless character defamation, name calling, and utterly nonsensical attempts to make this a gender issue. Holy Hell, guys. This might just be the most embarrassing carnival of stupid yet.
I am very disappointing with this thread... seam like there is a lot people here fans of "reality show" a la Big Brother...
I've been in the games industry - the machinations of the industry intrigue me. I don't think that's unreasonable.
Something surely transpired, but as I've pointed out several times now, having disagreements doesn't mean anyone was somehow forced out or that there was some huge drama at Naughty Dog. Her leaving might seem sudden, but on the other hand people think about stuff like these inside their heads for a long time before acting on those thoughts. Maybe after all this time working on Uncharted she suddenly didn't feel like continuing on the franchise and Naughty Dog didn't want to jump into any new IPs in the near future she might've had in mind.Come October last year, it turned out there was *some* truth to the rumours after all, just not at the scale some claimed.
But.... what transpired?Bruce Straley and Neil Druckmann were NOT involved in what transpired
But.... what transpired?
you'll never know, let it go.
But.... what transpired?
Amy Hennig left/was let go from Naughty Dog for reasons that are none of our business and are very likely protected by NDAs that are there to protect both Hennig & ND, no matter if the reason is some SUPER MASSIVE drama between some people at Naughty Dog or if it was just Amy Hennig deciding to move on. They aren't discussing the reasons just like pretty much no other companies comment publicly on people leaving/being fired other than something like "we are sad to see her/him go"But.... what transpired?
I'd still like to know. would have loved to be a fly on the wall in that particular meeting room.Evan Wells and Christophe Balestra either fired her or came to a mutual understanding to part ways. It's really none of our business.
Let be honest... the moment you say machinations it's just #paparazziGAF
And I am sure Amy is very happy about this too... because other studios may rethink hiring her because of possible future drama if something happens: a toxic and troublesome talent.
you'll never know, let it go.
Let be honest... the moment you say machinations it's just #paparazziGAF
Something surely transpired, but as I've pointed out several times now, having disagreements doesn't mean anyone was somehow forced out or that there was some huge drama at Naughty Dog.
Her leaving might seem sudden, but on the other hand people think about stuff like these inside their heads for a long time before acting on those thoughts. Maybe after all this time working on Uncharted she suddenly didn't feel like continuing on the franchise and Naughty Dog didn't want to jump into any new IPs in the near future she might've had in mind.
But.... what transpired?
Very true what if another studio hires Henning then she leaves a month later. Will that hypothetical studio be demonized also? Shameful but seemingly more and more the norm here.
Amy Hennig left/was let go from Naughty Dog for reasons that are none of our business and are very likely protected by NDAs that are there to protect both Hennig & ND, no matter if the reason is some SUPER MASSIVE drama between some people at Naughty Dog or if it was just Amy Hennig deciding to move on. They aren't discussing the reasons just like pretty much no other companies comment publicly on people leaving/being fired other than something like "we are sad to see her/him go"
My interest boils down to "We don't have a straight answer, and I'm not entirely clear why". I don't think there's anything particularly unfair about having that spark curiosity, but it's only curiosity, not assumptions about who did what to whom.
The moment they both signed the NDA its mean to other people "Not of your business"
But.... what transpired?
Amy Hennig left/was let go from Naughty Dog for reasons that are none of our business and are very likely protected by NDAs that are there to protect both Hennig & ND, no matter if the reason is some SUPER MASSIVE drama between some people at Naughty Dog or if it was just Amy Hennig deciding to move on. They aren't discussing the reasons just like pretty much no other companies comment publicly on people leaving/being fired other than something like "we are sad to see her/him go"
Who decides that?
One of the things I love of Retrogamer is that developers talk about the real stuff that happened back then and it´s super interesting how the different forces in a team can affect a game in one sense or another.
We will know the truth about this, maybe not now, but in some years for sure. It´s part of the history of one of the most prominent studios in our era.
And you are being delusional if you really think Amy left it its own volition. The fact that this didn't end with the typical "of mutual agreement we decided to part ways, yadda, yadda", it´s proof enough (and, BTW, that's what I meant before when I said they didn't explain anything at all). Sure, private companies aren't required to show the details of what's happening, but it´s pretty obvious to detect something wrong in their vague PR language.
Regardless, the fact that Amy hasn't refuted the rumors like Naughty Dog is telling. Her silence is a hundred times louder than Naughty Dog's denial.
I don't think you know what the word proof means.
what is the point of responding if you wont actually say what happened?
I don't think it's unreasonable for people to be interested in knowing the reasons why a celebrated industry figure is parting ways with a celebrated developer.
To clear the reputation of two men who have been defamed.
again, you cant do that without saying what actually happened.
It's a little weird to see a bunch of people so readily accept that it isn't any of our business, and stating that we should move on. We're on a dedicated gaming enthusiast forum that even had threads about Hideo Kojima's food tweets. I don't think it's unreasonable for people to be interested in knowing the reasons why a celebrated industry figure is parting ways with a celebrated developer.
I'd still like to know. would have loved to be a fly on the wall in that particular meeting room.
"Amy.... we need to have a talk"
DUN DUN DUN.
Edit: Also it's fun to speculate. What else are we going to do on a gaming forum?
Kojima tweets his food for the public to see. Hennig has not tweeted about the reasons she isn't working with ND anymore. Most of the thread is full of rampant speculation and nonsense. Most here are out for blood, not for any real conversation.
We could talk about games.
again, you cant do that without saying what actually happened.
Regardless, the fact that Amy hasn't refuted the rumors like Naughty Dog is telling. Her silence is a hundred times louder than Naughty Dog's denial.
And there's only so much you can say without breaking NDA's.
Who knows, maybe she acted unreasonably and is embarrassed. We can make anything fit if we try.
We could talk about games. Idle speculation and conspiracy theories about how certain people schemed to get someone tossed out, or revisionist history to diminish Hennig's work is damaging to all parties. I mean, we're talking about people here who have real feelings, and who oftentimes read GAF but don't post.. Speculating in the absence of facts is not going to do any good.
Regardless, the fact that Amy hasn't refuted the rumors like Naughty Dog is telling. Her silence is a hundred times louder than Naughty Dog's denial.
Why is Amy being the one who was wronged said as a fact when it might not be ?
If the reason is something like that, Amy Hennig coming out and saying "i was bored of Uncharted and didn't give enough of a shit on whatever new IPs they had planned so I decided to leave" wouldn't really reflect well on either her or Naughty Dog. If the reason for her leaving is some non-drama-including disagreement on what she should spend her time on in the next 3+ years, then I don't see why either side would reveal it.There's absolutely no need for discretion if that's the case.
Or IGN's source sees the situation differently to ND's management.So basically either IGN's source was wrong about Drunkman and Straley being involved or Naughty Dog is stretching the truth in their statement to protect their reputations. I'm more inclined to believe the former since they went as far as to call out IGN for 'unprofessional misreporting' which seems a bit extreme if their was some truth to the accusation. Nevertheless it's clear she didn't leave on good terms so I imagine somebody is to blame for her departure.
If the reason is something like that, Amy Hennig coming out and saying "i was bored of Uncharted and didn't give enough of a shit on whatever new IPs they had planned so I decided to leave" wouldn't really reflect well on either her or Naughty Dog. If the reason for her leaving is some non-drama-including disagreement on what she should spend her time on in the next 3+ years, then I don't see why either side would reveal it.
Also, she just doesn't seem like the kind of person who'd divulge too much information about her personal life/thoughts, so I don't find it weird that she's quiet.
And it could be anyone, even herselfSo basically either IGN's source was wrong about Drunkman and Straley being involved or Naughty Dog is stretching the truth in their statement to protect their reputations. I'm more inclined to believe the former since they went as far as to call out IGN for 'unprofessional misreporting' which seems a bit extreme if their was some truth to the accusation. Nevertheless it's clear she didn't leave on good terms so I imagine somebody is to blame for her departure.
It's not really any of our business what transpired.
This is true, and some of the posts in this thread have been despicable.
In any case, Naughty Dog is a studio that consistently talks up their internal culture and development process. They put their developers behind camera and praise their work, which is something I particularly love about them; some in this thread even said they watched a lecture on this very topic a week ago. The other side of the coin is that you can't expect people to lose interest when the topic doesn't suit their PR agenda.
edit: just to clarify... they're all well within their right not to comment, no doubt about that, but to say people shouldn't ask or even be curious is just wrong imo.