Sgt.Pepper
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When more people are buying games on them than on PS3/360.
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Dark Souls 2 Lighting changes/Downgrade
- Thread starter Moral Panic
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When more people are buying games on them than on PS3/360.
Quiet! He might actually realize this and then we're all screwed! )
Garcia
Member
Again, this might be true.
2 internal teams working on entirely separate projects: A heavily polished demo and a full-scale retail version.
YianGaruga
Banned
Yeah, this is actual footage from the release. Looks meh.
Also, that trailer is TERRRRIBLE.
I hope the conspiracy theorist in you thinks they would at least make the PC version the same as the future PS4 version.
Roddslayer
Member
Woof that comparison is the worst.
Chance Hale
Member
Games like Killzone and Ryse look leagues above anything from the previous gen and any PC exclusive(IQ aside) released outside of Crysis 3/Metro:LL so one imagines it's all in the dev team. If nothing else the jump means PCs don't have to work with such old hardware anymore as a base.
Would think the demos were all vertical slices and the game never had a real lightning engine as promised but people who have the game have mentioned the real time cutscenes having all sorts of dynamic lighting/effects enabled that vanish once gameplay starts.
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mayn...they left the shield handles in this weird..unreal way...they are horizontal not vertical..who holds shield like that!
Wow, that is indeed a pretty terrible trailer on every level...
Atleast it's an honest representation of the game now!
Of course there is a jump, the last generation was one of the longest in history.
The relative technology contained in each of the next-gen consoles is relatively weak to what is available. Other than the GDDR5 in the PS4, its almost like they were released in 2010.
Grief please.
Stop saying that.
Normals are still there, and it would be insane for them to remove them since they are basically the cornerstone of high detailed real-time 3D rendering since 2003 because of their cost vs benefit ratio.
I saw possible tessellation on the stone doorway though.
It's all a part of their plan. Release the current PC version basically the same as the console version. Then later, release the PS4 and Xbone version with the improved lighting and textures, along with yet another PC release called "Definitive Edition" or some shit.
Chance Hale
Member
That of course is a bummer, although I suppose it makes sense given how badly Sony screwed up with the PS3's losses when it first came out.
Incoming TRIPLE DIP! It's the new way! How can a publisher resist!
I asked what to call this effect earlier in the thread and someone told me it was normal mapping.
I doubt it was tessellation, as DS1 had the same effect for their textures. Gives them a raised look.
Textures are completely flat in the final console version.
They don't look better, they just have more high frequency detail with dirt, cracks and grunge. It's two different styles, not a downgrade.
I'm having trouble believing that From is a dumb enough studio that they would have part of the team working on a public demo and the test working on the actual game and that they would be so out of communication that they would not be aware of the progress the other was making in visuals and that they end up being totally different products.
I asked what to call this effect earlier in the thread and someone told me it was normal mapping.
I doubt it was tessellation, as DS1 had the same effect for their textures. Gives them a raised look.
Textures are completely flat in the final console version.
Perhaps POM?
jim2point0
Banned
SeventhSon
Member
That's historically accurate.
Off topic, but I was thinking about this recently, and I really want Super, Turbo and other stupid names to come back.
Super Castlevania: Lords of Shadow would be much cooler than Castlevania: Lords of Shadow - Ultimate Edition.
Stranger things have happened before.
I asked what to call this effect earlier in the thread and someone told me it was normal mapping.
I doubt it was tessellation, as DS1 had the same effect for their textures. Gives them a raised look.
Textures are completely flat in the final console version.
yeah, but that's what a concrete wall would look like, the first image looks more like a wet cave.
Look at the stones in the stairs for example, they are much more detailed then the planks in the demo version. It's just a matter of aesthetics when it comes to the assets in this picture.
I watched it without sound, and yeah. It really is terrible. Random gameplay with an idiot getting hit by random enemies, and then boss spoilers. So dumb.
Anyone expecting anything more than higher res textures and the ability to play at higher frame rates on the pc version (which is all that has been stated about the pc version) will be extremely disappointed, I guarantee you. You know it is nothing more than wishful thinking, I bet on it.
Pyramid head
Banned
I asked what to call this effect earlier in the thread and someone told me it was normal mapping.
I doubt it was tessellation, as DS1 had the same effect for their textures. Gives them a raised look.
Textures are completely flat in the final console version.
The walls look as though they may have used parallax mapping in the demo there (where the texture sort of shifts around to give a 3D look depending on the viewing angle).
I think the other poster was referring to the brickwork around the actual doorway when he mentioned tessellation though. Don't know if they were tessellated but they looked pretty detailed.
Metroid-Squadron
Banned
PS3 version, January 2014:
PS3 version, retail build:
Yeah, it looks like garbage.
Holy shit Grief.exe comparing a picture with and without a LIT TORCH.
Good fucking job.
Also this topic as a whole confirms my suspicion that people find shitty quality pictures of streams to be better looking than the real deal.
I suggest a "shitty low bitrate stream filter" as a pc mod so that people could continue these arguments indefinitely.
Good fucking job.
Also this topic as a whole confirms my suspicion that people find shitty quality pictures of streams to be better looking than the real deal.
I suggest a "shitty low bitrate stream filter" as a pc mod so that people could continue these arguments indefinitely.
YianGaruga
Banned
It's even worse with sound, they picked a song that doesn't fit at all.
Bump mapping?
The final trailer accurately portrays the games visuals now 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_A-tl-pJAR4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_A-tl-pJAR4
zephervack
Member
Go read articles on why some developers chose not to release demos, its a massive amount of work to sandbox stuff like that, it sounds insane but how else can you explain the massive differences, other than the level design, EVERYTHING is different.
Its almost as if the basic geometry of the map and enemy placement and AI was finished and then 2 different teams went to town with post processing, decorations, lightning etc. its just too damn different.
XANDER CAGE
Member
The torch isn't going to make missing specular effects and completely different textures reappear.
That one looks alright, actually better than the old (which got spoiled by the skybox)
But that's outside, with lightning and it works for the "cold" atmosphere.
However indoors, torches etc which is suppose to convey warmth is completely missing or looks crap.
The final trailer accurately portrays the games visuals now
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_A-tl-pJAR4
Which incidentally sorta seals the fate of the PC version.
That could be parallax occlusion mapping.I asked what to call this effect earlier in the thread and someone told me it was normal mapping.
I doubt it was tessellation, as DS1 had the same effect for their textures. Gives them a raised look.
Textures are completely flat in the final console version.
But I'm pretty sure that they aren't using POM on that stone doorway. It's unlikely that it's typical geometry as well. And normals can't so something like that. Only things that could be likely used on that are tessellation or pixel accurate displacement mapping which is actually Cryengine 3 only technique as far as I know.
That's what From will give us. But hopefully Durante expands those graphics options a bit again.
The point is to show that the lack of torch light in the retail version has no impact. You can still see everything clearly. It's also to show the change in texturing and how the wall looks completely flat. There is already an image of the area in the retail version with lighting.
hhhmmm I guess you are trying to make a point. The only thing that becomes painfully obvious is your ignorance towards the discussion at hand.
We aren't comparing the light cast by the torch, specular highlights, POM (?), geometry has changed, textures are lower resolution, other effects are completely missing.
Most worrisome, the gameplay of that segment is completely changed. Torches are not required throughout the entire game anymore. Blacks have been toned down significantly, watch this segment, mirror knight fight.
Probably due to dynamic lighting causing frame rate tanks.
Ha that is how I described that effect initially, but someone told me normal.
SlasherJPC
Banned
I'm still in disbelief that it looks this different. I just was amazed by some of the stuff I saw, now I'm just. Ok that's cool. Looks like Dark Souls.
jim2point0
Banned
He gave us higher resolutions, some DOF settings, unlocked frame rate, and various SSAO options. With that, we were able to take hot garbage and get it looking pretty good. Really helped the art in the game shine.
The sequel was already looking REALLY freakin good. It now looks like hot garbage all over again. I've been drooling over that lighting for months and months. Now it seems completely gone. I'm sure there's still some decent art in there but just imagining Durante tweaks + that demo lighting.... it would have been incredible.