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Scott Rohde on Amy Hennig's Departure [Up: Naughty Dog responds]

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Blader

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To you're first question I would say they came out and said something because of all the negative responses from people saying thier done with Naughty Dog, not buying another game from them, etc. They obviously don't want thier company to be perceived in a negative light.

As to your second question I would think IGN has way more to lose by tarnishing its reputation with Naughty Dog than it would have to gain from putting up a rumor that they made up.

1. The idea that Naughty Dog runs it business off kneejerk reactions like this is absurd, especially given how popular and lucrative Uncharted and The Last of Us are. They aren't on shaky ground, and a handful of people swearing off the company means nothing. People still buy Call of Duty and Activistion titles despite the Infinity Ward dustup a few years ago or anything over Bobby Kotick.

2. IGN has tarnished its reputation just fine plenty of times in the past, and this "journalist" in particular. This is really nothing new.
 

Elios83

Member
Although many people are just sorry to see Amy Henning leaving ND, a lot of drama is simply originated by morbid curiosity....some people absolutely want to know why, if she was fired, blamed for something which went wrong, if they spitted in the face and so on....which is bad and leaves open ground to unprofessional journalism to grow.
 

Y2Kev

TLG Fan Caretaker Est. 2009
If ND thought that IGN committed libel and thought it was worth it to sue for damages, they should do so. On that same token, IGN would not knowingly run a false rumor just for clicks on the very same premise. Nobody likes a lawsuit. This isn't some guy on his blog being passed info, this is IGN, part of a larger corporation that understands what they can and can't publish.

But that's not what you were calling for, you wanted IGN to out a source for your own personal need to denigrate the source, IGN, and whatever else you find fault in this story. Frankly, that's disgusting.

I don't think you understand what a libel suit entails. First, the assertion is not a matter of fact. It cannot be conclusively proved either way that she was or was not "forced out" and that the two conspirators were the cause. Second, the plaintiff would have to be able to establish and justify damages, which is simply impossible in this case.

"Threat of a libel suit" is not sufficient cause for a publication to not publish smut. It is too difficult to successfully claim damages; hence magazines like Star and People exist.

IGN may or may not have done a shitty job, but unless you are suggesting Naughty Dog or the conspirators file a frivolous law suit, it does not establish much.
 

hohoXD123

Member
And yet IGN hasn't pulled the story and is sticking by it. Hence why people are viewing the ND statement a bit skeptically.

To all the people saying 'this is none of our business.'...

Sure it is. I buy a lot of games. I like the Uncharted series tremendously. Didn't care much for TLoU but understand that it was well-made and highly praised.

I am curious about Amy's future. I am curious about Uncharted PS4 as a PS4 owner. I like her writing, her style.

Just like I can not buy EA games because of their business practices, I can choose to not buy Uncharted because she didn't help make it. Maybe her portion of the work is done, maybe it will be scrapped. Who knows. But there is a reason ND is trying to act like nothing happened, because she's respected.

I've also been in corporate for 15 years at this point. Things like this _do_ happen in the industry. 'I refuse to work with her' from Druckmann and Straley could have been enough to get her fired (and for management to say they weren't involved, since it was ostensibly their decision). Amy also could have done something stupid at work that made her deserve it. Who knows. Clearly enough people would look bad if the truth came out (my guess is there's enough blame to go around) so we may not get it.

But acting like we can't talk about this on GAF, on a _discussion forum_ called Gaming Discussion? Pretty ridiculous. It's directly gaming related, impacts a major upcoming PS4 release, major game series, etc. If it's okay to have megathreads about the resolution of unreleased games, this is clearly valid.
IGN not pulling their story does not impact on ND's statement at all. We have already seen how incompetent and stubborn IGN can be.

And no it's none of your business at all. You buy their products, great, but that does not give you the right to know about what happens at the company. That doesn't mean that you can't speculate on here either.
 

a.wd

Member
IGN not pulling their story does not impact on ND's statement at all. We have already seen how incompetent and stubborn IGN can be.

And no it's none of your business at all. You buy their products, great, but that does not give you the right to know about what happens at the company. That doesn't mean that you can't speculate on here either.

Why doesn't it give me the right to discuss what's going on. Actually I don't need to buy their products to discuss them, can you tell me why I can't? Aren't they a public company?
 

hohoXD123

Member
Why doesn't it give me the right to discuss what's going on. Actually I don't need to buy their products to discuss them, can you tell me why I can't? Aren't they a public company?

First reason would be because you can't read posts...
 

Abounder

Banned
After watching the TLOU documentary I learned 2 things:

1. You need a neck beard to be a part of the ND family (nothing against neckbeards but that's definitely a fashion trend in their studio doc; lots of fancy facial hair to see)
2. Neil can be a douche. How he handled the actors (especially being a first time director) and the end of the doc gives him a 'holier than thou' impression. You could just sense tension in the studio: only the sound guys and the starring actress looked like they had any fun for what it's worth


Yeah, ND´s comment boils down to "they didn´t force her out" and "things change" .

We haven´t heard a single word from Henning herself, not even the standard "moving on/ new challanges/ new opportunities/ thanks for the great years/ whatever " statement.

You don´t have to be a genius to figure out that there is more to the story than ND wants you to believe.

Yea and plus the statement released by ND is just bad PR anyway. They're only fanning the flames.
 

hohoXD123

Member
After watching the TLOU documentary I learned 2 things:

1. You need a neck beard to be a part of the ND family (nothing against neckbeards but that's definitely a fashion trend in their studio doc; lots of fancy facial hair to see)
2. Neil can be a douche. How he handled the actors (especially being a first time director) and the end of the doc gives him a 'holier than thou' impression. You could just sense tension in the studio: only the sound guys and the starring actress looked like they had any fun for what it's worth




Yea and plus the statement released by ND is just bad PR anyway. They're only fanning the flames.
What do you want ND to do exactly? Ignore it and allow a couple of employees to get bad reputations which could be unwarranted? Or break possible NDAs?
 
This entire thread is an embarrassment. None of us know what's going on behind the scenes, or Amy's motivations for leaving, and any kind of speculation is not only unnecessary, but harmful. This witch hunt mentality has led to people being falsely accused of actual crimes in the past (for example with the Boston bombers), and is shameful.

Did anyone consider that maybe she just wanted to negotiate a higher position, and it didn't work out? Or maybe she just had philosophical differences with respect to the story of one of the upcoming games / movies, and she decided she would rather part ways than contribute to something she wasn't 100% behind? Nobody knows if she was "pushed out" or "forced out" or anything else of the sort. Private matters should stay private, you don't need to know everything.
 

Bigfoot

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This entire thread is an embarrassment. None of us know what's going on behind the scenes, or Amy's motivations for leaving, and any kind of speculation is not only unnecessary, but harmful. This witch hunt mentality has led to people being falsely accused of actual crimes in the past (for example with the Boston bombers), and is shameful.

Did anyone consider that maybe she just wanted to negotiate a higher position, and it didn't work out? Or maybe she just had philosophical differences with respect to the story of one of the upcoming games / movies, and she decided she would rather part ways than contribute to something she wasn't 100% behind? Nobody knows if she was "pushed out" or "forced out" or anything else of the sort. Private matters should stay private, you don't need to know everything.

Uhh...
 

Tripon

Member
I don't think you understand what a libel suit entails. First, the assertion is not a matter of fact. It cannot be conclusively proved either way that she was or was not "forced out" and that the two conspirators were the cause. Second, the plaintiff would have to be able to establish and justify damages, which is simply impossible in this case.

"Threat of a libel suit" is not sufficient cause for a publication to not publish smut. It is too difficult to successfully claim damages; hence magazines like Star and People exist.

IGN may or may not have done a shitty job, but unless you are suggesting Naughty Dog or the conspirators file a frivolous law suit, it does not establish much.

I understand what a libel suit does entail, and you're right. It'll be almost impossible for ND to prove an assertion like IGN claim in a court of law, and besides, just filing a libel suit is more work than anybody would seriously consider to do here. I was also answering Respawn's comment that "People have been taken to court over this stuff."

For the record, no, I am not suggesting Naughty Dog or anyone else file a frivolous law suit.

But on the tangent of Star, and People, ET, TMZ, etc. I don't think this story goes anywhere near that level of impropriety. And if Gaf thinks IGN is on that level, whomever is the gatekeeper of banned sites might as well add IGN to the banned site list then.
 

Morrigan Stark

Arrogant Smirk
Hahaha yeah gotta love that irony.

"you guys stop speculating like assholes, ever considered it could be <baseless speculation>? anyway we'll never know so stop speculating like assholes plz"

-_-
 
Hahaha yeah gotta love that irony.

"you guys stop speculating like assholes, ever considered it could be <baseless speculation>? anyway we'll never know so stop speculating like assholes plz"

-_-

I'm not speculating (speculating implies that you think something *did* happen), I'm giving an example of how there are other possibilities. All of these possibilities are equally likely, given that we, as outsiders have no information. Therefore my suggestion, like every other one is completely baseless. That is exactly the point.

Speculating about shit like why some game got delayed, or downgraded as in the case of Watch Dogs, is no big deal. This, on the other hand, is a private matter between a couple of individuals, and it should stay that way.
 

weevles

Member
No, speculation is forming theories without evidence. Which is what you and everyone else in here is doing.

I'm not saying that's wrong, I'm just saying. :p
 
Naughty Dog is responsible for some of the best games ever created (ever heard of Uncharted 3, folks?) so I'm a bit more inclined to believe them than a piece of crap company infamous for lying. Sorry IGN, but, no, GTAIV's story was not "Oscar-caliber drama".
I thought that was the one most fans overall liked the least out of the trilogy?
 

beast786

Member
Why are some people calling for the topic to end because it is "none of our business?" It actually is our business. Naughty Dog made it our business. They put these people out there on press events, interviews and more for gamers to read and watch so that they can connect to the fans and sell their products. That is how these people actually become known. They are trotted out there as a face of a franchise or as part of a company. So when news breaks that involves one or more of these faces, we're just supposed to shrug and say "Oh, it's none of our business!" Sorry, it doesn't work like that. You can't have it both ways.

Well you put yourself in this public forum. Are you and your life open game also?

You know. Can't have it both ways.
 

Zoe

Member
Why doesn't it give me the right to discuss what's going on. Actually I don't need to buy their products to discuss them, can you tell me why I can't? Aren't they a public company?

That's not what being a public company means.
 

Pelydr

mediocrity at its best
I cant believe we are even having such a conversation over a "creative director". Its not a hard job to replace. Anyone on this board could write an Uncharted game.
 

Dash Kappei

Not actually that important
Do people bashing IGN realize that if there was NO truth to that report then it would've took Amy Hennig like 10minutes to drop two lines over Twitter just at least stating "ND and BS have nothing to do with my work at NDog coming to an end." or "thanks for the support to everyone out there [SHE TWITTED THIS, too bad she didn't add a simple] but please stop speculating, could hurt people who weren't involved".

You need to hear from both side before forming an opinion, the only thing clear here is that something went down and I'm glad that IGN reporting it, even tho they could've done a much better job, at least forced them to make a statement,

We know at least part of ND's pr is bullshit and you don't even need to have worked in PR to know that if if the split was amicable we would've known by now and the PR would've be worded MUCH differently.
 

hamchan

Member
I think it's probably obvious to everyone the split wasn't amicable, which is completely fine with me tbh. A lot of people in all sorts of positions get fired everyday, for a large variety of reasons.

The main issue and problem people, and myself, had with the IGN article was dragging Straley and Druckman's names into it.
 

tanod

when is my burrito
I don't think you understand what a libel suit entails. First, the assertion is not a matter of fact. It cannot be conclusively proved either way that she was or was not "forced out" and that the two conspirators were the cause. Second, the plaintiff would have to be able to establish and justify damages, which is simply impossible in this case.

"Threat of a libel suit" is not sufficient cause for a publication to not publish smut. It is too difficult to successfully claim damages; hence magazines like Star and People exist.

IGN may or may not have done a shitty job, but unless you are suggesting Naughty Dog or the conspirators file a frivolous law suit, it does not establish much.

If anybody would have standing in a libel suit, it would be Straley or Druckmann, not Naughty Dog themselves. For example, if IGN's report caused a hostile work environment to develop that made them uncomfortable enough to leave Naughty Dog, that would be pretty easy to calculate damages.
 
Do people bashing IGN realize that if there was NO truth to that report then it would've took Amy Hennig like 10minutes to drop two lines over Twitter just at least stating "ND and BS have nothing to do with my work at NDog coming to an end."

As others have mentioned, there's almost certainly an agreement not to discuss the circumstances with the press, presumably linked to a severance package.

That knowledge basically rules out the scenario where Amy left 100% of her own volition and everyone was cool with it (you don't get severance when you quit or choose not to re-sign) but it gives us no insight as to the nature of the internal conflict that led to this situation.
 

fasTRapid

Banned
Posting unsubstantiated rumors that could be potentially damaging to people's careers is not only unprofessional, but flat out irresponsible.

If you are going to make accusations that some high profile developers forced someone out of a company, you damn well better back your claims up other than saying "I have my sources".

Mitch Dyer's article was so incredibly negligent, it forced the co-founders of Naughty Dog to make a personal statement coming to the aid of both Bruce and Neil and expounding on how much of an idiot he was.
This.
 

ClearData

Member
I'd like to share some tweets I exchanged with Mitch Dyer, but since I am not sure on the process I will refrain for now unless someone wants to explain the new process to me.

So I guess I'll just share my thoughts on this whole mess.

On IGN's failure

I do not have a problem with most of the report that IGN ran. I am not a journalist and make no claims to anything other than a base understanding of journalistic standards. But from everything I have read the veracity of the IGN report is terrible in terms of the "forced out" angle.

Anonymous sources come forward all the time to share information that we wouldn't get otherwise so if they merely reported that Amy Hennig was fired under unknown or questionable circumstances and that they would follow up for further and concrete details I would have been fine. After all, the dismissal of an individual of Amy's stature is of great public interest.

However, reporting that two very high profile. And by most accounts from people who have worked for them, decent and talented developers forced out a colleague without a shred of evidence or consideration that their reputations could be sullied and they could be labeled as egomaniacs, is deplorable.

Naughty Dog has also been praised as a studio that has little overbearing ego and a place where talent and merit are prized above all else. Something which creates a good working environment. A report that two senior employees bullied out another puts that in jeopardy. One report vs. years of studio culture.

So to move forward with a portion of the report that had not even been verified by other outlets, mind you, or have any report from Sony, ND, Neil, Bruce, or Amy or anyone else who we could verify as actually knowing what happened speaks to a severe lack of professional responsibility.

TL;DR The sad part is that the damage is done no matter how unfounded the report was. People are now speculating and that cloud will now shadow Naughty Dog and Bruce and Neil.

On Amy's firing / quitting

I love Amy. The gaming industry needs many more talented women like her at more developers. But the fact of the matter is high profile creatives are fired or leave projects sometimes. The bigger the name the more interested the public is interested in knowing all the dirty details.

That doesn't mean we are entitled to an explanation for several reasons.

In the case of at will employment people can leave or be fired with or without cause at any time. Contracts are a little messier but I digress.

Amy is entitled to privacy

Naughty Dog, like most companies, probably has NDAs in place and does not discuss internal decisions.

Many have taken that as proof that ND is "spinning" or "has something to hide." We do not know enough to make that determination without knowing the circumstances.

Outside of that ND has the right to hire and fire whomever it choses at any time with no explanation. And people have the freedom to leave.

That's my grasp of the situation.
 

Fezan

Member
i am just waiting for some mod to come and check authenticity of junior. and just for that i am refreshing page every 5 sec
 
Corrinne Yu is about to be fired from Naugty Dog for complete and utter incompetence.

That's certainly an interesting first post...

Yeah, let's just say that I've had a difficult time not saying something over the past few months. Enjoy the show.

And why was Amy Hennig fired?

Juliet's 8½ Spirits;103908966 said:
oh we will

Somebody rouse Bish from the bunker!

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