If you really want to, you could make a comparison thread and everyone could debate it. Infamous does look great, and I'm a little jelly there's not any proper next-gen PC games yet to compare. Maybe Crysis 3 can come close or surpass it, but that kind of discussion / comparison would probably be better left to a dedicated thread for it, instead of taking this thread more off topic.
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Digital Foundry: Performance analysis: inFamous: Second Son
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If you really want to, you could make a comparison thread and everyone could debate it. Infamous does look great, and I'm a little jelly there's not any proper next-gen PC games yet to compare. Maybe Crysis 3 can come close or surpass it, but that kind of discussion / comparison would probably be better left to a dedicated thread for it, instead of taking this thread more off topic.
cheezcake
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Turn off as many of those TV post processing filters as you can, they increase input lag and are pretty terrible in general
With an unlocked framerate it is literally impossible for it to not have judder. If you don't notice the judder you must simply be used to it.
Then again, some people say they don't notice screen tearing. That just blows me away. It would be like someone telling me they don't notice the difference going from an HDTV to a standard def tube tv.
It does look great, but the textures and lighting are not on par with Crysis 3. The colors, contrast, character models and lighting effects do make it look very appealing though.
Infinite Xero
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So it would increase the judder then?
Smooth Motion will create that effect on films/tv shows, yes. But what Smooth Motion (motion interpolation) does is add frames to make the video appear smoother.
I originally asked my question because I was curious what effect this would have on a game with an unlocked framerate. I know its recommended to turn this off when gaming because Smooth Motion will increase input lag, but inFamous isn't the type of game that requires precise timing so I'm not worried about the increased lag.
Glorified G
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It would be a mess and just devolve into a console vs pc debate. You can picture the posts now
"LOL how much did you spend on that PC? A grand? PS4 is $400 bro"
"Nah bro, just $200 to upgrade my videocard, and I got it on steam for $5 only? U mad?"
I have an HDTV with 120Hz and it is best to turn it off with games that have fluctuating frame-rates like Infamous and KZSF. It actually makes the stutter worse because the smooth frame-rate parts are smoother and the spike above 30 makes the stutter more prominent than with 120Hz turned off.
ultratruman
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I do notice severe judder in some games, when the framerate suddenly spikes or dips suddenly it can be disorientating, but I probably have grown desensitized to it.
Screen tearing is awful for me, especially in first person games.
molnizzle
Member
Yep.
Unless a game is imbued with magical properties, it has judder if the frame rate is unlocked. Bottom line. It's impossible for it not to.
G-Sync notwithstanding.
If you don't notice it, good. I would advise you to never start looking. Once you see it... it cannot be unseen, and uncapped frame rates will ruin certain games for you forever.
There doesn't seem to be nearly as many people trying to compare the two games as there was with Killzone; probably because of the obvious 3rd person open world vs 1st person shooter. I'd like to see a Crysis 3 vs Infamous in-depth comparison myself, but I dunno if there ever even ended up being a Crysis 3 vs Killzone thread.
True. If fluctuating framerates didn't result in undesirable judder there wouldn't be any purpose for G-Sync to exist.
I've gotten to the point where I can notice judder but it still doesn't bother me much. I think part of it may be that I'm very sensitive to motion resolution and my crappy LCD benefits in motion from uncapped framerates. I'll need to try again once I get a better set.
I don't think we're gonna see an open world game that looks like Crysis 3 at max settings till at least mid-gen. It's not exactly fair to compare an open world superhero game to a linear FPS, KZSF vs. Crysis 3 is a better comparison imo.
That said this game looks beautiful. 1080p + this AA needs to be the standard for Sony first party.
Messofanego
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Haha nice
disastermouse
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Ouch. Boom!
I'm not so sure about that. Open world games like The Witcher 3 and The Division look like they will easily surpass both Infamous Second Son and Crysis 3.
sjagolinzer
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Yeah, definately on pc but has there been any confirmed ps4 footage of either yet?
I'm anticipating Witcher 3 to be PS4's second 900p game.
MDSLKTR
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That's not how first party games work on a sony console
sjagolinzer
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I have that exact same feeling. Especially since I believe they are the one studio that said it's easier to develop for the xbox one.
You seem to be new at this.
PC gamers at the beginning of every generation have beefy PCs that can run oldgen games perfectly. Wait a year with your PC and see if you will then be able to play multiplatform games so well [especially if you are like normal people, and have max ~$450 GPU].
well I have an r9 290 at the moment and in a years time If, If I need to, I could just buy another?
seen as the r9 290 is almost 5x more powerful than current gen console gpu's I don't think I will need to though.
I mean...I don't think consoles could run metro last light maxed out at 60fps 1080p.
anyways, I bought the consoles for the exclusives so I guess I have no choice in the end!! my point Is though that I haven't pc gamed in a long time and 60fps is so beautiful it will be hard to go back.
Actually on second thought it could be third. Another Battlefield will be out by then.
Metalingus5150
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Plus the fact that they also said they wouldn't use the PS4 to it's full potential.
Not true for all implementations. Rasterized real-time reflections have existed since forever, but obviously they're extremely expensive, and a bit limited in how you can conveniently apply them. And they become more expensive as your graphics in general do, so generational progression hasn't made them any easier. Thus they've never been extremely common.
Resultantly, there are some series where early games actually had a bit of "correct" real-time reflections, but later games didn't.
I'm not sure how that demonstrates your point, though. Triple-buffering is still going to yield higher input lag than having vsync off, and more importantly, it's going to yield more input lag variation and stutter than almost any other buffering approach.
Hence my point: even at 30fps, there are benefits to using double buffering, with vsync on or otherwise. Nothing about the PS4's architecture invalidates this.
Yeah, I agree with that as well. Even as a PC gamer who absolutely loves 60fps I still prefer that my console games be 30fps if they can't maintain a steady 60fps.
thunder_snail
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I don't notice judder on consoles as much as I do on PC.
Think it's because it's slower to turn using an analogue stick than a mouse.
Anyways, what I like most about Infamous SS graphics is surprising lack of lod object and texture pop-ins. It's great.
Think it's because it's slower to turn using an analogue stick than a mouse.
Anyways, what I like most about Infamous SS graphics is surprising lack of lod object and texture pop-ins. It's great.
On a PC with 270X or GTX760, that is a sure thing.
For PS4/X1 though, I'm really skeptical.
Tried it myself too, and I agree. It played quite well, and the 30fps cap feels nice.
One thing ive noticed is the shadow detail when moving closer to them.
Lol just realized I got tagged in this thread.
Ok so my point was... 8800 GTX did not last an entire gen playing console ports. Sure it did good in the beginning maxing them out etc, but I feel like people that go 'PC elitist' miss a huge point: it doesn't run console ports now maxed at 1080p+ with tons of antialiasing and way higher quality than the last gen consoles on every single game (maybe DMC4 and MG Rising among others.) Console ports have gotten more and more technically advanced and when I think of a GPU 'lasting an entire gen' I think 'ok, this better max out every measly console port if that is going to be claimed.'
And you just can't claim that. Trying to insinuate that console games are so technically inferior that a 6 year old GPU destroys them is just blind elitism. That's my point.
I can't remember but can the 8800 GTX even run Witcher 2 at nicer settings than the 360 port?
Ok so my point was... 8800 GTX did not last an entire gen playing console ports. Sure it did good in the beginning maxing them out etc, but I feel like people that go 'PC elitist' miss a huge point: it doesn't run console ports now maxed at 1080p+ with tons of antialiasing and way higher quality than the last gen consoles on every single game (maybe DMC4 and MG Rising among others.) Console ports have gotten more and more technically advanced and when I think of a GPU 'lasting an entire gen' I think 'ok, this better max out every measly console port if that is going to be claimed.'
And you just can't claim that. Trying to insinuate that console games are so technically inferior that a 6 year old GPU destroys them is just blind elitism. That's my point.
I can't remember but can the 8800 GTX even run Witcher 2 at nicer settings than the 360 port?
I don't have X360 but my previous 8800Gtx rig could only run Witcher 2 on low.
The 8800GTX played consoles ports at or above parity for the entire generation. It would take a twisted descent into feverish absurdity to...
Oh, well, all right then.
Prototype Viktor
Member
why the hell is
so dam glossy?
Cole's jacket
and if that's the case I'm anticipating not buying it on PS4. I doubt my GTX 760 could run it at 1080p so I'd just skip it till I upgrade my GPU.
900p is not acceptable on PS4.
Neuromancer
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Haha I don't know, I was wondering the same thing.
What.
Night Angel
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When has Ryse ever been the best looking game on next-gen?
I am sick of people claiming Ryse is the best looking title this gen. All it really had going for it was lighting on the armor.
travisbickle
Member
Welcome to GAF, you'll do well here with such a well thought out and in depth analysis of why Ryse is the best next gen has to offer. You must like framerates in the high teens to mid 20's, and sometimes reaching the dizzying heights of 30fps? Sure, I can see where you're coming from.
Solid Samus
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i notice it and I don't really have a problem with it
Amentallica
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gtfo
i thought you only used your ps4 for live streams?
Codeblew
Member
Just wondering, did you notice judder with Neon O skill? I am pretty sure that is the animation and not the FPS. I am just taking a shot in the dark. I am pretty sure that animation is < 30 fps which makes it look a bit annoying when cruising through Seattle.
Why would you call somebody out for backing out of a discussion? Why not let them peace-out? Are you the type that has to have the last word?