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Dark Souls II - Graphics Comparison - PC Preview
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Schweinehund
Member
Yeah there's a lot of exclusive content in TR
E that will never make it to PC.From should just stop making pc ports imo, only way they can redeem themselves.
/s
Anyone order from here? I need to know if they're already sending the keys, I want to see this in my library already.
It's almost like gamers slept through English class and can only use a limited set of extreme superlatives
Disgusted
Fucking Disgrace
Slap to the face
Terribad
Atrocious
I wouldn't expect keys from anywhere until a week out at best.
plumpblumpkin
Member
I bet the same discussion will happen when Watch Dogs hits and people will be surprised to see that it really doesn't look anything like previous demos.. even on PC.
mario_O
Member
It's almost like gamers slept through English class and can only use limited set of extremes superlatives
Disgusted
Fucking Disgrace
Slap to the face
Terribad
Atrocious
Well if they end up releasing Dark Souls 2 on PS4/XB1 with that "missing" engine, that would be very veeery *insert extreme superlative*.
It's almost like gamers slept through English class and can only use limited set of extremes superlatives
Disgusted
Fucking Disgrace
Slap to the face
Terribad
Atrocious
I think the bolded are my favorite. They are a good signal that you don't really have to take what a person is saying serously.
I am thoroughly disgusted at the atrocious state of gamers terribad language. It's a fucking disgrace and a slap to the face of to English teachers everywhere who must be appalled at how atrocious and butchered the language has become.
Note: You forgot appalled and butchered.
Forbes did a pretty in-depth preview.
Dark Souls II' PC Preview: Here's What To Expect
choice parts:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2014/04/08/dark-souls-ii-pc-preview-heres-what-to-expect/
Dark Souls II' PC Preview: Here's What To Expect
choice parts:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2014/04/08/dark-souls-ii-pc-preview-heres-what-to-expect/
plumpblumpkin
Member
The textures and geometry are worse than the reveal, this is not the same game they showed, at all.
This fucking shit has to stop. That looks completely different. Jesus, what game were they showing before??.
There's no excuse for this. PC's could easily handle the upgraded engine.
Krusenstern
Banned
At least this is getting picked up by some sites.
Squeenix has stayed mum on that front, which in Publisher Land means it's coming. I suspect it'll be announced in the near future and its release will be handled similarly to that of the DE:HR Director's Cut (i.e. a separate game, as far as Steam is concerned, for which those who own Tomb Raider vanilla will receive a loyalty discount).
CountAntonius
Member
They weren't going to make two separate games. Lighting engine changes more than just graphics. It's done.
We have seen what the engine is capable of, we can hope that these effects show up in Miyazaki's secret project or the inevitable DSIII.
Those titles will most likely be targeting PC/PS4/XBO.
Very much agree.
I downloaded and watched the best version of the TGS trailer with the original assets/geometry, lighting, etc. No doubt that would've been a cakewalk for a modest PC at native 1080p | 60.
(381 MB)
http://www.gamersyde.com/download_dark_souls_ii_tgs_trailer-30829_en.html
Chairmanchuck
Member
I would suppose a Techdemo, like quite a lot of devs. Just this time, the difference is far too great.
Is anyone actually debating whether or not a PC could handle it?
The problem lies with supporting two completely versions of the game at the same time. You need a lot of money and time to do that.
It's not as if the original version of Dark Souls II they showed was CG, almost nobody does that anymore.
Was clearly PC footage that did not even need a modern highend GPU. Just hardware that's somewhat better than what's inside the 360/PS3 which is a roughly decade old, more or less.
Was clearly PC footage that did not even need a modern highend GPU. Just hardware that's somewhat better than what's inside the 360/PS3 which is a roughly decade old, more or less.
Self_Destructive
Member
Game looks awesome, and if someone comes out with a HD texture pack or something it will look amazing!
CountAntonius
Member
They weren't going to make a PC version and a console version. They were gonna make a crossplatform title that looked and ran best on PC. That's what they did. Consoles could not handle what they were doing on the PC hardware and the roadmap to a less impressive game was probably chosen when they realized this.
Old consoles held it back. They released what they could given their resources and deadline(they aren't going to wait another 6 months to put out a last gen game.) PC suffered as a result.
I doubt we will see a PS4/Xbone release.
They need to get on that Dark Souls 3. I am guessing they are going to take a break for a while. Maybe a new IP, Armored Core or something else.
Chairmanchuck
Member
It was just a version to use for conventions and shows. A lot of devs do that. FarCry 3, Forza and co.
Just the difference isnt that clear on first glance, but with DS2 everyone can see the difference is far too big.
From made a Demo for shows with a great lighting engine to show off their Game...
The whole Game, I guess, was never looking like that.
baphomet
Member
That's a contributor article. Its the equivalent of someone's blog post.
Wow this does look great.
Getting hyped all over again even after 100 hours of the crummy PS3 version. I just hope the online scene is active unlike DS PTDE since co-op is the definitive way to earn souls now.
Erik Kane seems to be their resident gaming contributor at Forbes, he has been doing it for a while.
I will admit, that article does read like a blog post though.
Self_Destructive
Member
This is just sad. When DS3 is shown, you'll be posting tons about how that's not what it will look like and the cycle will repeat...
So the company had plans to implement new gameplay elements using darkness and lighting, but had to cut it due to resources and last gen technology... This is what happens when PCs are the primary development platform. Things get cut in games all the time. And people that were somehow expecting the PC version to be this completely different looking game were just grasping for straws.
If a PS4/XO version comes out and looks more like the preview built, it wasn't cause FROM had some master plan. It was because they had a commitment to release the PC version as close as possible to the console version. They didn't want to let the fans on the PC platform down... and they didn't. The released what looks to be a great version of Dark Souls 2. The best version in fact.
Then they should have never advertised the new lighting engine as a major feature. They fucked up. BAD.
CountAntonius
Member
Great post. Damn Tomb Raider for causing this paranoia.
That they did. They aimed high and got shot down by old hardware.
I've been following GAF just for some months and I was very pleased to find a very intelligent community, informed hardcore gamers and even developers, talking with such care and passion about the game industry, and getting a feeling that they wouldn't let this industry go down into a shit hole, at least to the extent of their capacity, that when something wrong happened they would call it out and stand for the gamers, even if casual gamers were the bigger share of the market and had the most impact with their wallets.
So reading a lot of comments in this thread saying they are OK and nothing bad happened is very disheartening. Please let's not go down to that level of cynicism, to the "because most people do some shitty practice then it's OK if someone else does it" kind of argument, that all marketing from all industries lie so it's normal practice, etc. Because if not even hardcore gamers care when these things happen then who will? I think it's very dangerous for customers to give companies such a wide field to do as they please. It keeps setting a bad precedent until suddenly one day there's no going back.
The problem is not the downgrade itself, shit happens during development. The problem is the attitude towards this situation. I don't know if either From, Namco or both deceived the customers on purpose or if it was a legit involuntary error, but I think it deserved at least an apology anyway. There's no shame in apologizing for such thing, even if it wasn't their fault. The point is not to admit incompetence or whatever but to acknowledge the issue and let their fans know that they care, that there was some shit messed up and they feel sorry about it. I'm not a devoted fan of them to follow every communication channel but judging by the reactions and the news I've read I take they haven't apologized, and whether they are to blame or not it's a disappointing attitude nonetheless, because they are just correcting the error in silence and pretending nothing happened.
So reading a lot of comments in this thread saying they are OK and nothing bad happened is very disheartening. Please let's not go down to that level of cynicism, to the "because most people do some shitty practice then it's OK if someone else does it" kind of argument, that all marketing from all industries lie so it's normal practice, etc. Because if not even hardcore gamers care when these things happen then who will? I think it's very dangerous for customers to give companies such a wide field to do as they please. It keeps setting a bad precedent until suddenly one day there's no going back.
The problem is not the downgrade itself, shit happens during development. The problem is the attitude towards this situation. I don't know if either From, Namco or both deceived the customers on purpose or if it was a legit involuntary error, but I think it deserved at least an apology anyway. There's no shame in apologizing for such thing, even if it wasn't their fault. The point is not to admit incompetence or whatever but to acknowledge the issue and let their fans know that they care, that there was some shit messed up and they feel sorry about it. I'm not a devoted fan of them to follow every communication channel but judging by the reactions and the news I've read I take they haven't apologized, and whether they are to blame or not it's a disappointing attitude nonetheless, because they are just correcting the error in silence and pretending nothing happened.
Self_Destructive
Member
Yep. I'm sure they tried their best to make it work, but it's probably better that they made THIS game work for last gen consoles, and implement these new features in a TRUE next gen Dark Souls game, instead of giving us a terrible version trying to bite off more than it can chew this time.
If anything, the preview builds have shown us that they have the ability to make the NEXT next Dark Souls a freaking amazing looking masterpiece. B)
This seems to be the most reasonable assumption as to what happened and why. And I just want to add that it's pretty unfortunate that we've gone from demanding a competant PC version from From, which it seems they've certainly delivered, to expecting them to make a completely different build of the game developed strictly for the PC platform. And in the process, the work they did put into this version goes underappreciated.
Hey, welcome to GAF.
I agree with everything you have said. I think a lot of people though are just happy that they can finally play a competent PC Dark Souls game, regardless of the lighting.
Just wanted to say thanks for these posts. I'm glad there are at least some people who don't necessarily claim to understand the inner workings of game development, but do understand and sympathise with things like the language barrier and varying corporate situations.
It's not about giving From the "benefit of the doubt" or a "free pass". It's about supporting and playing the games you want. Of course, if you feel something has violated your principles in this case, you're free to spend your money (or not) as you please. Perhaps Bandai Namco could have been clearer on the communication front (as they are responsible for all overseas PR), and even pressed From for more information on behalf of those concerned (as From themselves were oblivious to the "controversy"). Regardless, speculation about "missing engines" or "lighting switches" is unecessary, and only serves to make one's argument harder to stomach.
TheCongressman1
Member
Absolutely. I'm not asking people to burn their houses down or anything. I would just like an answer, and if not, then they can expect that I won't be buying their product. It's that simple.
Fantastic post. I agree wholeheartedly.
It's not going to stop me from getting this version of DSII that now exists for PC, releasing this month, but for me it will have to be later this year when I have something more than just Intel HD graphics.
It's just that we all wish we could play the game as originally shown, myself included, but it is not as if I won't buy DSII at all because From didn't upgrade the assets & lighting of the releasing PC version up to the level of the original showing.
This is all true.
The 60fps framerate alone is really enough for me, not to mention slightly more than twice the native resolution of the PS360 version, as well as prettier shaders here and there. ,,,Let alone the inevitable texture mods that people will come up with.
ExFalsoQuodlibet
Member
The only disappointment to me is the fact that fires lit with the torch don't cast any dynamic shadow: only the torch does, and I can understand the lack of that on PS3/XBOX, but not on PC.
Tarin02543
Member
This game looks great. I'd say that any tarnish on the game is due to its 'fans' and not the technical changes.
Self_Destructive
Member
That's the sad thing about this whole thing. FROM took the criticisms for the DS1 port to heart. They wanted to make the PC version of DS2 the lead platform, and in the process overreached their boundaries. They had to scale back drastically for the old consoles and the PC version, because as was already said, developing 2 very different versions of the same game was out of the cards. Thus they release a PC version up to higher standards and all that work to make PC gamers feel they get a competent port gets lost in the fuss from fans that still feel they were cut short.
I think it's a sad thing. I'm not saying they didn't make a mistake. They did. But my whole attitude about it is that the PC version looks awesome and is what I expected as last gen console game on PC. I'm extremely happy about that. But I also learned from it. Don't always expect games will end up as we are shown. As a gamer, I have the ability to wait and see how the product is before I spend my money. I could have done that here. But as a fan, I had the game pre-ordered on PS3 and PC as soon as it started. I knew that it would atleast be Dark Souls 1. And as a fan, that was enough to warrant the purchase. And I was not let down.
CountAntonius
Member
They did answer. It's not only most likely the truth but the most obvious answer as well.
It will never be enough because people want what they now can't have. So there needs to be some overly elaborate conspiracy to explain the screw job by these lazy group of b team developers looking to #lie to it's fanbase and mislead them to capitalize on an unannounced "Definitive Edition" for next gen consoles.
I really wouldn't mind so much if it were just a few people voicing such unreasonable perspectives but the fact that it's like half the post in this thread is pretty discouraging.
With all of the stuff surrounding this game, I really don't think I can trust this port until the retail version is in customer's hands (not previewers) for awhile and it hits a good sale.
Pretty disappointed all around with both Bandai Namco and FROM here. All they had to do was come out and acknowledge the issue and own up to it. Going from a garbage PC port (DaS1) to misleading downgrades (DaS2) continues to make me wary of this port (lead platform my ass).
Pretty disappointed all around with both Bandai Namco and FROM here. All they had to do was come out and acknowledge the issue and own up to it. Going from a garbage PC port (DaS1) to misleading downgrades (DaS2) continues to make me wary of this port (lead platform my ass).
Sigh. What can you do?
CountAntonius
Member
What 95% of the people in this thread will be doing 3 weeks from now. Playing and enjoying the game.
Self_Destructive
Member
It's true. I mean, look at Ubisoft with Watch Dogs. The game was shown on a beefed up PC and looked amazing. People couldn't believe how good it looked. This was way before the PS4/XO were even close to being complete. Game looks amazing, everyone says this is next gen. Ubi is happy people are impressed by what they can do... then BAM... the next time the game is shown, it looks like Watch Dogs, but different.. worse. These games (and most PS4/XO games released so far) were developed on PCs or dev kits that weren't finished. It must be a hard thing to have to start developing a game on theoretical hardware, then have to peel things away layer by layer until it becomes something that can work for everything. I'm sure it's not just disheartening for fans of said games, but moreso the developers... who would probably LOVE to implement and be able to do all these things, but can't due to time/resources.
Watch Dogs on PS4/XO/PC is a cross gen game, but that simply means last gen game with layers put on instead of peeled off. When the last of the few cross gen games release and we completely in the 'next gen' development, then we have a good reason to complain if some version doesn't meet our expectations.
Those screens are from a Youtube video. The washed out colors and whatnot are due to Youtube's compression.
TheCongressman1
Member
It's fine, they don't have to do anything really. I'm just saying I don't think it was handled well, and I won't be buying the game. That's on me, no one else has to follow.
I think that's perfectly civil.