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Persona Community Thread |OT4| The Golden Number

kewlmyc

Member
Can you explain? I don't care about BBs story, so spoil away.

It's nothing related to the BB story. It's more personality and physical traits.

That Maya alt is great. If only I cared enough about BB to actually play it rather than just read the crazy, stupidly fun story.
 

Swedesu

Member

Great you managed to find one. Pretty fantastic that they even gave her the pink guns as Maya.

Izayoi gets to be Metis and Saber from a certain series about Fate and Zero.

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PK Gaming

Member
I like Elizabeth, but so far her appearances have been sorta half assed.
I get she wants the power of the Wild Card to bring back Makoto [and Clara] but for someone with the power to disrupt the tournament she seems to have no interest in ending it so she can sit down and talk to the people who actually wield that power and could help her on her way.

I probably will enjoy the Manga because it'll be something focused instead of this jigsaw puzzle plot. I mean, I can make up my own version of how this is going down if I have to, but I shouldn't have to.

I like her too, but her overall involvement in P4A's narrative was just terrible. (P3 FES spoilers)

1) the fact that she kills Erebus on a yearly basis outright undervalues Persona 3's ending. The great seal alone should be able to stop Erebus.
2) She should not be allowed to revive Makoto under any circumstances.
3) Her mission should not be something that can be accomplished in the foreseeable future. Attempting to bypass humanity's grief and negative emotion? With what, the wild card?!? Good grief. I'm not fond of the Erebus plotline, but they should have at least stuck to it. Her goal should be something she can only accomplish after eons.
4) Her fight with Yu was something out of a bad shonen. She curbstomps him, but he goes super saiyan uses the power of the wild card to damage her. Overwrought and cheesy.

So yeah, the fact that the manga completely glosses over her is a plus in my book.
 

Squire

Banned
Great you managed to find one. Pretty fantastic that they even gave her the pink guns as Maya.

Izayoi gets to be Metis and Saber from a certain series about Fate and Zero.

Man... Might have to check out CP. Saber is literally the best.

Both are fools blinded by justice so it fits. Heh, blinded. I made a funny.

Um, no. Saber's vision is clear where as a certain someone else's was not. And if it wasn't for that certain someone she would've claimed the grail in honor of Britain and redeemed herself as the King of Knights.

In the future, mind your tongue.
 

cj_iwakura

Member
Man... Might have to check out CP. Saber is literally the best.



Um, no. Saber's vision is clear where as a certain someone else's was not. And if it wasn't for that certain someone she would've claimed the grail in honor of Britain and redeemed herself as the King of Knights.

In the future, mind your tongue.


May as well tag this as a Fate/Zero spoiler:

She was too blind by her ideals to realize Kiritsugu saved her from a false idol. As Stay/Night proves, the Grail offers only misery.
 

Squire

Banned
May as well tag this as a Fate/Zero spoiler:

She was too blind by her ideals to realize Kiritsugu saved her from a false idol. As Stay/Night proves, the Grail offers only misery.

Eh heh, somehow I forgot that aspect. Just empathizing with how she felt in that moment of ignorance, I guess.

Haven't seen SN. Waiting on Ufotable's version, but yeah
I expect misery.
 

kewlmyc

Member
Um, no. Saber's vision is clear where as a certain someone else's was not. And if it wasn't for that certain someone she would've claimed the grail in honor of Britain and redeemed herself as the King of Knights.

In the future, mind your tongue.

Her dream betrays her entire kingdom and would make her follower's sacrifices vain. She is a little girl who wears her crown as a toy. This is a banquet of kings, you have no right to be here.

I actually like Saber. I like her in Zero more than what she is in F/SN though.
 

cj_iwakura

Member
Eh heh, somehow I forgot that aspect. Just empathizing with how she felt in that moment of ignorance, I guess.

Haven't seen SN. Waiting on Ufotable's version, but yeah
I expect misery.

There's always the VN, but expect to feel a lot sorrier for Emiya.
 
I like her too, but her overall involvement in P4A's narrative was just terrible. (P3 FES spoilers)

1) the fact that she kills Erebus on a yearly basis outright undervalues Persona 3's ending. The great seal alone should be able to stop Erebus.
2) She should not be allowed to revive Makoto under any circumstances.
3) Her mission should not be something that can be accomplished in the foreseeable future. Attempting to bypass humanity's grief and negative emotion? With what, the wild card?!? Good grief. I'm not fond of the Erebus plotline, but they should have at least stuck to it. Her goal should be something she can only accomplish after eons.
4) Her fight with Yu was something out of a bad shonen. She curbstomps him, but he goes super saiyan uses the power of the wild card to damage her. Overwrought and cheesy.

So yeah, the fact that the manga completely glosses over her is a plus in my book.

1: Erebus is stopped, she only goes up to space to kill Erebus as a hobby, for fun.
2. True that
3. I thought that is what they were implying with her talk with Aigis about it taking forever
4.Sounds a lot like other aspects of Persona 4 :p

For the Kamina fans

 

Squire

Banned
Her dream betrays her entire kingdom and would make her follower's sacrifices vain. She is a little girl who wears her crown as a toy. This is a banquet of kings, you have no right to be here.

I actually like Saber. I like her in Zero more than what she is in F/SN though.

I'm interested to see how she changes. And kinda worried now. :/

There's always the VN, but expect to feel a lot sorrier for Emiya.

Kiritsugu or Shirou?
 

Marche90

Member
May as well tag this as a Fate/Zero spoiler:

She was too blind by her ideals to realize Kiritsugu saved her from a false idol. As Stay/Night proves, the Grail offers only misery.

Eh heh, somehow I forgot that aspect. Just empathizing with how she felt in that moment of ignorance, I guess.

Haven't seen SN. Waiting on Ufotable's version, but yeah
I expect misery.

Relevant:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiwHmKzD314

Wish we were to get another Carnival Phantasm entry :( Literally the ONLY work I've liked from the hack that is Seiji Kishi. Then again, it seems that his forte is comedy...
 

Meia

Member
I like her too, but her overall involvement in P4A's narrative was just terrible. (P3 FES spoilers)

1) the fact that she kills Erebus on a yearly basis outright undervalues Persona 3's ending. The great seal alone should be able to stop Erebus.
2) She should not be allowed to revive Makoto under any circumstances.
3) Her mission should not be something that can be accomplished in the foreseeable future. Attempting to bypass humanity's grief and negative emotion? With what, the wild card?!? Good grief. I'm not fond of the Erebus plotline, but they should have at least stuck to it. Her goal should be something she can only accomplish after eons.
4) Her fight with Yu was something out of a bad shonen. She curbstomps him, but he goes super saiyan uses the power of the wild card to damage her. Overwrought and cheesy.

So yeah, the fact that the manga completely glosses over her is a plus in my book.




Um,
isn't #4 the end fight for every modern persona game ever? At least it makes sense in this context in that the Wild Card ability itself, since it's strengthened by relationships in the first place, it's a "literal" power of friendship thing. I mean, we didn't miss what it's like when each of these Fools awakens to that last Arcana in the Velvet Room, did we? :p


Ultimately, Erebus being a constant thing doesn't really undervalue anything, as it shows that Elizabeth's journey probably won't be a short one(unless they decide to have the point of P4A be to greatly speed things up, which is possible). I think the idea is the seal is enough to stop it, but if you have the ability to not have Makoto wailed on endlessly, wouldn't you stop it? This is one of the things I actually liked with Elizabeth's story, as I can easily see her every year doing this just kind of as a guard dog, while she's also off trying to find a solution.
 

PK Gaming

Member
Um,
isn't #4 the end fight for every modern persona game ever? At least it makes sense in this context in that the Wild Card ability itself, since it's strengthened by relationships in the first place, it's a "literal" power of friendship thing. I mean, we didn't miss what it's like when each of these Fools awakens to that last Arcana in the Velvet Room, did we? :p
Execution. Execution is everything. Wild card users implicitly getting stronger through bonds they form is better than Yu outright using it as a plot device to gain a temporary power boost. All he has to do is scream really loudly, proclaim he has to protect his FRIENDS and boom; power boost obtained. It totally cheapens his fight with Elizabeth. The endings of P3/P4 do the same thing, but with significantly better execution (P3 moreso than 4P). It's not some cheap power up in those games, but an ultimate attack obtained through the combined efforts of everyone involved. There's a clear difference between the two; a sense finality.

Ultimately, Erebus being a constant thing doesn't really undervalue anything, as it shows that Elizabeth's journey probably won't be a short one (unless they decide to have the point of P4A be to greatly speed things up, which is possible). I think the idea is the seal is enough to stop it, but if you have the ability to not have Makoto wailed on endlessly, wouldn't you stop it? This is one of the things I actually liked with Elizabeth's story, as I can easily see her every year doing this just kind of as a guard dog, while she's also off trying to find a solution.
I suppose you have a point. Then again, i've always hated the concept of Erebus from the beginning so...
 

CorvoSol

Member
People are sure getting defensive over their fighting game stories - Jeez!

Mock Tekken 2 and I will cut you...

The Subspace Emissary is a heart-wrenching tale of Solid Snake's most harrowing mission yet.

I like her too, but her overall involvement in P4A's narrative was just terrible. (P3 FES spoilers)

2) She should not be allowed to revive Makoto under any circumstances.

So yeah, the fact that the manga completely glosses over her is a plus in my book.

I don't know if I want her to do it, but I would not be opposed to this being the ultimate point of all this Arena stuff anyway. Frankly I kinda think that it should be Yu's job to lead both groups in this effort. That's a pretty fan-fic set up, sure, but I dunno, it just makes sense to me. The P4 protagonist
saving the P3 protagonists.
 

Levito

Banned
Here's a thing:



(Image is episode link)

Great conversation on this one, Shidoshi came back for the first time in a while! Corvo was a natural too, super smart guy.

Thanks to Armada, Corvo, Shidoshi, and Scrafty for coming on.

(Warning: last 5 mins is just me and Armada tearing into Rogue Galaxy, I was in tears)
 

CorvoSol

Member
In spite of how talkative I am, the sound of my recorded voice may well be the thing I most hate to hear. If I ever did face a Shadow self, just speaking is all it would have to do to make me deny association.
 

jello44

Chie is the worst waifu
In spite of how talkative I am, the sound of my recorded voice may well be the thing I most hate to hear. If I ever did face a Shadow self, just speaking is all it would have to do to make me deny association.

I think most people are like that.

I hate my voice.
 
Here's a thing:



(Image is episode link)

Great conversation on this one, Shidoshi came back for the first time in a while! Corvo was a natural too, super smart guy.

Thanks to Armada, Corvo, Shidoshi, and Scrafty for coming on.

(Totally unbiased highlight though is me and Armada tearing into Rogue Galaxy for the last 5 mins or so, I was in tears)

U da man. Ive been waiting for this. Ill check it out tomorrow afternoon.
 

Meia

Member
I think most people are like that.

I hate my voice.


I like to think it's part of the reason why the shadows of the P4 cast appear to them as themselves and speak in a just slightly distorted voice of themselves. :p


"You're not me, I sound nothing like that!"
 

PK Gaming

Member
"Jonathan is a jerk... but so is Walter. God is a jerk... but so is the devil. And everyone sucks and the only person you really want to side with is Isabeau."

5 minutes in and the podcast is already amazing.
 
Random thought. I was thinking about Persona 4's plot and wondering what it would be like if the IT was replaced by their shadow counterparts. Now I kind of want to see what that would be like. How about you guys?
 

Worse than dead: a pallete swap.

Here's a thing:



(Image is episode link)

Great conversation on this one, Shidoshi came back for the first time in a while! Corvo was a natural too, super smart guy.

Thanks to Armada, Corvo, Shidoshi, and Scrafty for coming on.

(Warning: last 5 mins is just me and Armada tearing into Rogue Galaxy, I was in tears)

DOSH!

And man, RG catches mad beef, doesn't it? You'd think it would be a nearly forgotten game considering, but no.
 

CorvoSol

Member
Something I forgot to bring up in my comments on FF4, and I'll just spoiler it because lots of spoilers for everything in the podcast and stuff, but I forgot to say that FF6, P3 and P4 spoilers in specific
I like that you can save Nanako because knowing you can save Cid in FF6 and didn't is a huge punch to the player. Knowing you can save Shinji and Chidori and failing to do so was a punch to me, too. At the same time, though, knowing nothing you can do will save Aerith makes it that much harder.
 

jello44

Chie is the worst waifu
"Jonathan is a jerk... but so is Walter. God is a jerk... but so is the devil. And everyone sucks and the only person you really want to side with is Isabeau."

5 minutes in and the podcast is already amazing.

Because she is waifu. :3

Oh and because neutral is the way to be.
 

Gazoinks

Member
Aw yeah Where The Sidewalk Ends shoutout.

Long episode! Probably won't be able to finish it in one go, but good stuff. Need to catch up on some past stuff too.
 
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