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[Dragonborn]

Easy, it can be platinumed in literally days. Its very short.

Word on the street is it can be rented and fully experienced within a week, two tops. And won't need to be touched again.

Word of mouth spreads. Its too short and slim on content.

So if that's the case, why did TF X1 collapse? Same reasons?

 

[Sydle]

The interested consumer in dedicated gaming devices is contracting, more so than I thought would ever occur.

We should all be worried, not so much about the death of the industry, but rather further contraction of the industry or further deviations away from dedicated devices.

This is a bummer. :/

They don't have many games yet. Things will pick up.

 

[Foshy]

Easy, it can be platinumed in literally days. Its very short.

Word on the street is it can be rented and fully experienced within a week, two tops. And won't need to be touched again.

Word of mouth spreads. Its too short and slim on content.

Which is exactly why everyone is so surprised it's outselling Titanfall XB1.

 

[Apophis2036]

Oh wow and I thought I was being unfair predicting just 150k for XBone !

 

[Zalman]

I just sold my Vita to Gamestop in hopes of getting a 2000.

These numbers are not making my re-purchase easy.

I might just sit back and see how it does for the following months.

Don't let sales numbers stop you from enjoying a machine if it has games of your interest.

 

[Fandangox]

How much did Wii U did in April last year? I read on a site from 35k to 40k estimate which would put it at around 65k~ this month I think.

 

[Oersted]

For a forum that promotes itself as being as smart as NeoGAF does, I'm surprised to see these "Kill Vita" comments. SCEA killed the platform on February 20th, 2013. Everything they've announced since then had a noticeable lack of money put behind it. SCEA hasn't advertised the platform since 2012. Remote Play and PlayStation Now are there to fill in the gaps caused by their software investment in the platform dwindling to just indie games and shoddily made ports. That's an exit strategy out of the handheld business, but they can't afford to just kill it off officially. If they do that, they stand to sour a userbase likely made out of their most loyal fans. Worse off, if they discontinue Vita they'll piss off a good amount of Japanese publishers as the platform is relevant over there. Given PS4 is currently underselling Wii U, Vita, and PS3 in Japan, Sony really can't afford to do that. So instead you'll see the hardware languish on store shelves until enough time has passed for Sony to pull the plug. Then they'll use their "consolation prize" of Remote Play and PlayStation Now as their mobile strategy.

The absolute majority of posts here is " But I love my Vita". *shrugs*

 

[Randolph Freelander]

But why announce it and essentially forfeit a good chunk of sales in May? Why not wait until E3 to announce it? This whole situation has been weird.

Look at their sales. Assume sales in May go to 0. They haven't lost much.

Announcing it when they did was getting out in front of this month's disastrous number. This way, there's already a strategy built into the media coverage.

 

[arimanius]

Reading this thread reads like Titanfall was a massive failure, pure insanity

It's a failure in the fact that it's not pushing the amount of hardware like it was hyped to do.

I even bought a titanfall bundle and have already quit playing.

 

[Goodacre0081]

Anecdotal, but I know few people who just bought the PS3 a year or two ago, and they sure as hell aren't going to upgrade immediately. I'd wager there are many of those, who just recently entered last gen when prices went down, and game library grew and word of mouth spread.

there are lots, 70k just picked up a 360 in April, 6months after the next generation started.

That doesn't mean they don't have to create an new sku (packaging, etc.) for the kinectless Xbone. That does take time for both the factories to repackage them and to ship them over here. What I'm curious about is how early ago did MS decide to go kinectless in regards to their announcement Tuesday.

i read that the decision to go kinectless was made 5 weeks ago. some article posted here on gaf, one of the threads had it.

 

[sechsterangriff]

I just hope if the Vita 5K number is real, it just means they were waiting to clear the stock of the original model....

 

[CadetMahoney]

It's a shame Microsoft couldn't get the $400 sku out sooner. It's gonna be a rough May for sure.

June should be interesting.

Yes, it will be interesting to see Microsoft lose again in June.

With the way things are going, would it be surprising?

 

[Syphon Filter]

The 360 was also the only next gen console on the market at the time.

Right but it needed to prove itself,xbox original was smaller installed base.Also i forgot to say it was still supply constrained in april at 295k.

 

[Suzushiiro]

I just hope if the Vita 5K number is real, it just means they were waiting to clear the stock of the original model....

Plus I'd imagine a lot of people were waiting on the new model to come out before buying.

 

[Megatron]

But the Titanfall SKU was $450, wasn't it?

I guess the casual consumer will bite on a $399 price tag based on perception alone, but it really isn't much of a deal when compared to the TF bundle.

Yep, and there were better deals that that. Target had that bundle plus a year of live for $450. Frys had the bundle plus Forza 5 for $450. Those are the deals that almost got me to buy an XB1 but I just don't have the time.

 

[BlackBuzzard]

Any figures other than 360 and XB1????

edit: nvm.

 

[BananaSprinkles]

But the Titanfall SKU was $450, wasn't it?

I guess the casual consumer will bite on a $399 price tag based on perception alone, but it really isn't much of a deal when compared to the TF bundle.

It wasn't just the titanfall sku. There was also a $450 sku that included forza. At least on the microsoft store.

 

[Opus Angelorum]

I just hope if the Vita 5K number is real, it just means they were waiting to clear the stock of the original model....

It will definitely get a bump in May with the Borderlands 2 bundle...but merely a blip on the flat line.

 

[TomShoe]

I just hope if the Vita 5K number is real, it just means they were waiting to clear the stock of the original model....

They probably were. I hardly saw any stock in many retail or online stores, so I assume they stopped ordering them and are waiting on the new 2K update.

 

[Dragonborn]

Right but it needed to prove itself,xbox original was smaller installed base.Also i forgot to say it was still supply constrained in april at 295k.

But didn't the original Xbox do pretty damn well in NA? It's just the PS2 did so much better.

 

[Jomjom]

If it did then Sony should provide some numbers instead of giving them to some random guy on Twitter. (I know he's trusted by some of you.)

Because honestly this seems like damage control to cover for the fact that ISS dropped completely off the map.

I have a feeling that I should post a time stamped pic of my copy of the game along with an image of me kissing my PS4 otherwise I'm going to be met with pitchforks and torches for making this statement.

I have insert race friends! I'm not racist!

 

[Bundy]

71K 360 115K XB1

"...other than" X360 and XBone

 

[razgriz417]

there are lots, 70k just picked up a 360 in April, 6months after the next generation started.



i read that the decision to go kinectless was made 5 weeks ago. some article posted here on gaf, one of the threads had it.

Ah thanks, if that's the case, I wonder why they are then waiting til June to bring the new Sku out, unless it has something to do with the current stock that retailers are just swimming in atm...

 

[Save 'N Quit]

Really don't think we need to see Vita numbers to know that its deader than dead over here.

 

[artist]

But why announce it and essentially forfeit a good chunk of sales in May? Why not wait until E3 to announce it? This whole situation has been weird.

The amount of people aware of the Kinectless SKU coming in June will actually not that big to be of consideration for Microsoft. Heck despite their back tracking on their original DRM vision, a large percentage of people were not aware of it. And that too with quite a big promotional campaign from Microsoft (DID YA KNOW!)

 

[Gartooth]

Easy, it can be platinumed in literally days. Its very short.

Word on the street is it can be rented and fully experienced within a week, two tops. And won't need to be touched again.

Word of mouth spreads. Its too short and slim on content.

I got inFamous only a few weeks back and managed to reach the ending in 3 days.

inFamous games aren't typically super long to begin with, but Second Son is probably only half as long as the two previous games.

 

[toddhunter]

Reading this thread reads like Titanfall was a massive failure, pure insanity

There are two perspectives on Titanfall. In regards to being sold as a game, it has obviously done amazingly well. Top of the charts and obviously strong 360 sales will make some people very happy.

But it had a more important job for Microsoft. That is to sell xbox live subscriptions on the xbox one. Each sale of Titanfall on the xbox one also represents a subscription, because you can't play it otherwise.

If it isn't selling that great on the new console, which seems to be the case, this means people are also not getting locking into the xbox one ecosystem. There is no reason for instance, that 360 players will not switch to PS4 and sign up to PS+ in the process.

So in that regard, it doesn't seem to be doing quite the job that is needed. The further problem is this particular battle for subscriptions is very front loaded, once a console becomes "the home" for online games that perception is very difficult to overcome (see the continued dominance of the 360 in these areas). If the PS4 does continue to dominate for the next few months at least (and there is nothing to suggest otherwise) things could get a lot worse for Microsoft in the long run.

 

[GamerJM]

It wasn't just the titanfall sku. There was also a $450 sku that included forza. At least on the microsoft store.

Does NPD track the Microsoft store?

 

[Mass Effect]

The interested consumer in dedicated gaming devices is contracting, more so than I thought would ever occur.

We should all be worried, not so much about the death of the industry, but rather further contraction of the industry or further deviations away from dedicated devices.

This is a bummer. :/

Or maybe it's just a slow month in the first year of the new consoles. Xbone is horribly (okay, maybe not horribly) overpriced and the software line-up was barren on both platforms.

Things will pick up later in the year with more releases, price-drops, and bundles.

 

[Andronicus]

The 360 was a masterpiece though, I don't think we'll see something like it again for a long time.

360 was the only next gen choice at that time....

 

[tbm24]

they've probably been repackaging the new SKU for a few weeks now.

Indeed it's possible.

 

[Hawk269]

But why announce it and essentially forfeit a good chunk of sales in May? Why not wait until E3 to announce it? This whole situation has been weird.

First reason is what they already said. The did not want the announcement of the $399.99 Sku to be the headline of E3, they want to focus on the games for the platform, not hardware. This ties into what Phil Spencer has been saying all along.

Second reason and this is just me speculating, there is something else afoot. I get why they announced it early, but why release it on the same day as your conference (A Monday). I think there is something else that has not been said. I don't believe for a second it is price related, I doubt they would announce a $399.99 unit and 25 odd days later say it is now lower. I think there is a pack in or some added value to it that they will mention at the show.

Even with this announcement, they will still sell the existing unit. A friend that works at Best Buy told me they sold 4 units today, even though the customer knew that a $399.99 Sku was coming, he said they wanted the Kinect. So there is still a market for the existing hardware and they still will sell.

 

[hawk2025]

Easy, it can be platinumed in literally days. Its very short.

Word on the street is it can be rented and fully experienced within a week, two tops. And won't need to be touched again.

Word of mouth spreads. Its too short and slim on content.

Exactly.


And yet it sells more than Titanfall on the Xbox One.

...which I suppose CAN be fully experienced in a week, two tops as well, so there's that.

First reason is what they already said. The did not want the announcement of the $399.99 Sku to be the headline of E3, they want to focus on the games for the platform, not hardware. This ties into what Phil Spencer has been saying all along.

Second reason and this is just me speculating, there is something else afoot. I get why they announced it early, but why release it on the same day as your conference (A Monday). I think there is something else that has not been said. I don't believe for a second it is price related, I doubt they would announce a $399.99 unit and 25 odd days later say it is now lower. I think there is a pack in or some added value to it that they will mention at the show.

Even with this announcement, they will still sell the existing unit. A friend that works at Best Buy told me they sold 4 units today, even though the customer knew that a $399.99 Sku was coming, he said they wanted the Kinect. So there is still a market for the existing hardware and they still will sell.

There's a VERY simple explanation: Like 95% of other price drops, it wasn't meant to be revealed until E3, hence the June 9th date.

But the awful NPD numbers plus the probability of the information leaking anyways had them decide that it was best to just go ahead and do it.

 

[Of All Trades]

But the Titanfall SKU was $450, wasn't it?

I guess the casual consumer will bite on a $399 price tag based on perception alone, but it really isn't much of a deal when compared to the TF bundle.

No, there were sales at $450 but I'm pretty sure the normal price was $500.

 

[Proponent]

So if that's the case, why did TF X1 collapse? Same reasons?

I'd be accused of trolling with my answer.

 

[Loris146]

Right but it needed to prove itself,xbox original was smaller installed base.Also i forgot to say it was still supply constrained in april at 295k.

Are you sure? Because in may(2006) it did 220k... I tought that 360 was supply constrained at launch ... ..

 

[LOCK]

Overall retail sales up 17% year over year.

Hardware up 76% year over year.

?

In revenue yes it's up, in total number of units it is down...a lot.

Software decreased again this month 10%.

 

[Spiegel]

I just hope if the Vita 5K number is real, it just means they were waiting to clear the stock of the original model....

Vita did 10k last month and April is a bad month compared to March.

Stock might have something to do with the past two months numbers, but it's no like Vita is going to do 30k or higher with the release of the new model.

 

[Tobor]

With the way things are going, would it be surprising?

No, it won't be surprising at all. Just interesting.

 

[Bundy]

If it did then Sony should provide some numbers instead of giving them to some random guy on Twitter. (I know he's trusted by some of you.)

Because honestly this seems like damage control to cover for the fact that ISS dropped completely off the map.

I have a feeling that I should post a time stamped pic of my copy of the game along with an image of me kissing my PS4 otherwise I'm going to be met with pitchforks and torches for making this statement.

Here:

SONY:

 

[Shin-Ra]

Happy for inFAMOUS:SS.

Any numbers for inFAMOUS or Kinect Sports?

 

[Daemul]

360 was the only next gen choice at that time....

it was also supply constrained, it's figure should have been bigger.

 

[Syphon Filter]

But didn't the original Xbox do pretty damn well in NA? It's just the PS2 did so much better.

I think about 20ish million. It did pick up steam towards the end around 2004 and that was some decent momentum for the 360.

 

[theprodigy]

Plus I'd imagine a lot of people were waiting on the new model to come out before buying.

"a lot"
like 20k?

This is the Vita we're talking about, in an NPD thread.

 

[Bornstellar]

Why no PS4 hardware numbers?

 

[EL CUCO]

Long thread.
Welp there go my predictions. Thanks XBO.

At least Microsoft are acting swiftly.

Boring month. Nintendo's core handheld business continues to completely crumble.

 

[Dragonborn]

But why announce it and essentially forfeit a good chunk of sales in May? Why not wait until E3 to announce it? This whole situation has been weird.

The price cut announcement had no impact on April sales and they are abysmal. Sales would have been just as bad or worse in May, with or without the announcement.

Announcing now means they can build up some press, and they can also blame their bad performance in April and May on the price cut (like they did just now).

 

[bananafactory]

PSVita less than 5k apparently.

 

[The Mad Draklor]

The XBO can only rely on so many temporary boosters. To be quite honest, I don't think the $399 Kinect-less SKU will do much at all. Titanfall did very little to stop the PS4's momentum and if the XBO keeps lagging like this, then it's going to track behind the 360 by the end of its first year in the market.

 

[Riki]

It was nice knowing you, gaming.
These numbers are bad all around. Geeze.