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[BigDug13]

I think this is a result of their decision to disallow ALL communication with other players unless they are on your friend list. It's impossible to raid if you can't communicate. Since they have disallowed communication outside of friends, raids require people on your friend list.

Communication is key to raiding. With a game disallowing all communication except between friends, it greatly limits raiding.

 

[Karl Hawk]

So to raid you need 5 friends, but 3 of those friends can f-off if you are doing PVE....

Not really, unless 3 of those friends are only in for PvP.

 

[neogaffer1]

This will cause problems for me, as I don't know anyone else with an XB1 (at least not good enough to play a Raid with) and I can't really do it with DestinyGAF as I'll be at college when this game comes out and I'll only play it when I come back on some weekends, which would be well after most people have beaten the game.

 

[Ikuu]

Point me to the build that had the matchmaking option enabled?

I have come to resent that word today.

ok

I love it when companies don't support features that would provide options and allow people to participate in content they will now miss out on.

 

[BananasWithGuns]

You can't even find or join a clan from in the game, can you? Sure hope all the millions that buy Destiny are active in an online gaming community or have 5 friends with the same system.

As far as I'm aware you can't. You can't voice chat with random people either so all this does is make it extremely difficult to set up groups for it unless you're integrated with sources like BNET or GAF.

I really wonder what percentage of people are even going to enter the raid now. 5% or less? It seems like such a massive waste of content.

 

[Gxgear]

This is a mistake. Getting six people together consistently and commit long hours at the same time will be tedious.

 

[Atkison04]

I only have one friend on my ps4 that I have played Destiny with. Can someone be kind enough to point me to the Destiny GAF thread where everyone can exchange gamertags? I'm all for the more serious tone of these missions though. I've been playing with one real life buddy and randoms. Pretty good success rate in the beta atleast.

 

[Isurus]

While I can understand this to an extent, I am dissappointed. At my age (mid 30's), it is hard for my friends and I to coordinate that amount of time across 6 people. It would have been nice to have some form of matchmaking so that, say, 3 of us could match with another group of 3 to play.

 

[SocksAndShoes]

What's the harm in allowing random groups into this content? This looks like a case of Bungie letting us know what's best for us by limiting options. Just include a disclaimer when queuing up...

These raids sound like they're extremely difficult. Having randoms in a group (esp. those w/o mics) would be an unmitigated disaster.

 

[Ridley327]

Perhaps there's an actual reason for this, wouldn't you think?

They have matchmaking for the strikes. If it made sense they would have matchmaking on the raids too. It doesn't make sense, apparently.

They are not doing this to spite you.

There's no way that they locked this to friends-only on a whim, not with how long they've been talking up how challenging the raids are going to be. Hell, even some of the runs on Devil's Lair didn't go all that great at times when I ran them with randoms, since there was always one person on some "fuck it, YOLO" shit and had to keep getting their ass bailed out.

 

[Maintenance]

GAF is walled off. You aren't going to get a 10 year old kid yelling expletitives at you. Generally you are going to get sane people.

You sure? I wouldn't bet that.


On topic, I understand why they chose to do that, it will be good for a lot of people, but not me, unfortunately.

 

[BigDug13]

Have they explained how Clans work? Will everyone in the GAF Clan be automatically considered as "friends" when it comes to voice comms? Do I have to manually add every GAF Clan member's gamertag as a "friend" in order to communicate?

 

[NullPointer]

ok

I love it when companies don't support features that would provide options, and allow people to participate in content they will now miss out on.

This exactly. Chances are I won't even touch this mode now. That's just great.

 

[see5harp]

Right and we got that with Reach. Didn't help the lag. This is in a lot of ways very different from Firefight though. Coordinated efforts to solve puzzles etc... is different than just point and shoot which any random can figure out quickly. It seems this mode will require strategy and planning amongst your fireteam... you never know who you're going to pick up in MM that isn't a "team player" and just makes everything that much more difficult because they don't follow the plan.

I'm usually not one to say no to options, but in this case it seems like they're saving a lot of headaches by keeping it friends only.

The lag in firefight for Reach was exactly the same, which is why I don't see the downside. As long as they are going with completely new netcode and/or dedicated servers, it shouldn't be an issue. Not to mention that firefight in Reach was shit.

 

[Hoo-doo]

ok

I love it when companies don't support features that would provide options and allow people to participate in content they will now miss out on.

If you were expecting to raid with randoms, you were never going to experience that content anyway.

Have you ever raided with randoms in WoW? Now imagine that without text chat and no mics. Might as well not even enter the raid.

 

[DNAbro]

You sure? I wouldn't bet that.

Well the true crazies get banned pretty quick. Might get a few assholes though.

 

[QaaQer]

Yep.

And I'm really not seeing at all how a lack of matchmaking is a good thing. If you can easily run with a party of six than matchmaking doesn't hurt you one bit. But for those who can't matchmaking is essential.

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While this sounds great for those with schedules and friends, this kinda makes the game useless for everyone else.

Good on Bungie for sacrificing sales for uniqueness though.

 

[patapuf]

I think this is a result of their decision to disallow ALL communication with other players unless they are on your friend list. It's impossible to raid if you can't communicate. Since they have disallowed communication outside of friends, raids require people on your friend list.

Communication is key to raiding. With a game disallowing all communication except between friends, it greatly limits raiding.

This is the first post that makes a modicum of sense as to why they wouldn't implement matchmaking for raids.

It raises a new question though. Why in the world would they dissalow communication outside of friends in a game where you can randomly encounter people?

 

[Homeboyd]

The lag in firefight for Reach was exactly the same, which is why I don't see the downside. As long as they are going with completely new netcode and/or dedicated servers, it shouldn't be an issue. Not to mention that firefight in Reach was shit.

Hence, "ODST Firefight got it right."

 

[Ridley327]

ok

I love it when companies don't support features that would provide options and allow people to participate in content they will now miss out on.

Raids in other games are often exclusionary in who gets to play them, as they're geared to a very, very small percentage of players. Bungie isn't doing anything different in that regard, other than being upfront about the limitations ahead of release.

 

[Recall]

These raids sound like they're extremely difficult. Having randoms in a group (esp. those w/o mics) would be an unmitigated disaster.

Or it could be a fun experience. Why limit giving players a choice?

 

[REMEMBER CITADEL]

Good thing there's 1000+ members in the DestinyGAF group.

I am your friend, friend.

So people will be playing with strangers who happen to post on the same forum. Even outside of GAF, with the way that friend systems work on the new consoles, most those people will be practically strangers. Might as well allow for matchmaking then.

 

[E92 M3]

Aww, if I get this game then I definitely will have to be social =/

 

[syko de4d]

They could make a easy mode raid version for Random Partys, where loot is way worse. And people who have finished easy mode raid can use normal/hard mode random Party tool. So you know that all people in the normal/hard Raid know the mechanics of all the bosses.

You cant even use something like a LFG channel or? Is there a guild channel? This will be pretty hard to find 5 other people and asking your whole friendlist if anyone is interest in a raid will get annoying after some weeks xD

This game trys to be a MMO without many important stuff. For example, why is there no large scale 2-3 faction open world pvp?

 

[Carbonox]

oh bby

 

[Ikuu]

If you were expecting to raid with randoms, you were never going to experience that content anyway.

So because I don't have a dedicated group of friends I shouldn't be allowed to even attempt that content? Or why not follow WoW's example and scale the content down for random groups and make the rewards weaker, then everyone gets to see everything and you still have the 'real' difficulty for the people that want it.

If you were expecting to raid with randoms, you were never going to experience that content anyway.

Have you ever raided with randoms in WoW? Now imagine that without text chat and no mics. Might as well not even enter the raid.

Yes I have, I did all of the Pandaria raids in the random matchmaking, it wasn't the same as doing it with a real raiding guild, but I still got to experience everything.

 

[Teknoman]

Gaf central, unite up!

 

[megalowho]

Their reasoning is understandable but this sounds really inconvenient. Don't have a huge PS4 friend list so I have to add randoms anyway if I want to run this, which is what they say they want to avoid by limiting access. I'm sure DestinyGAF is fine and all but I really don't want to feel forced to join a huge guild in order to experience 6 player PVE content either. Will see how it plays out in practice, I suppose.

 

[Orayn]

ok

I love it when companies don't support features that would provide options and allow people to participate in content they will now miss out on.

It's not okay to have parts of a game that aren't accessible for all players in all circumstances?

 

[daveo42]

Sounds like a weekend thing now if it's going to take several hours to complete a raid. I know I've got at least one friend I can play with, but I'll just have to look at GAF for help in filling in the rest.

Randoms for end game is usually bad, which makes it seems like we don't hit raids till cap anyway. Like in most MMOs.

 

[Ivory Samoan]

Great news, PUGs would have gotten eaten alive by the sounds of it.. multiple hour RAID with randoms quitting on you would be the pits.

DGAF, let's get some l00tz.

 

[The Last Wizard]

This sucks since most of irl group hasn't moved to ps4, just one guy. Looks like I'll be partying with gaf for this gen.

 

[link1201]

I was hoping this game would be a Fallout/Skyrim equivalent ...that is not happening is it? Sigh, I may pass on this. I will have to wait and see how much single player content there is.

 

[EGM1966]

While I'm sure they'd mostly end in failure I'm not seeing why you shouldn't be able to matchmake with random folks if you want.

 

[Hoo-doo]

So because I don't have a dedicated group of friends I shouldn't be allowed to even attempt that content? Or why not follow WoW's example and scale the content down for random groups and make the rewards weaker, then everyone gets to see everything and you still have the 'real' difficulty for the people that want it.

Of course you are allowed to attempt anything you like.

Bungie is just not making a dedicated hopper to funnel randoms into the raid. And with good reason.

Maybe they'll add a lesser difficulty later and open it up to randoms, who knows. It kind of defeats the purpose of the raid though.

 

[see5harp]

Hence, "ODST Firefight got it right."

ODST firefight being great had nothing to do with a lack of matchmaking. To be fair Raid's sound like yet another evolution of the coop experience, but I don't see how giving the players the ability to match up and play with strangers as being a detriment to the formula. Some games are gonna be great when guys are communicating, some games will be frustrating. Let me guess, you think Gears 3 horde would have been better without matchmaking? People are quick to forget how people built up a friendlist last gen (and earlier).

 

[Damerman]

Luckily i joined this forum. Eastside gafers stand up!

 

[Zomba13]

The thing is what do they lose by letting randoms group up and attempt it? Yeah, you might fail and get frustrated and quit but that could also happen with a group. Playing FFXIV with GAF is great and doing content together is fun. Until it isn't and you've wiped on a boss too many times and you think "fuck this" and quit. Playing with friends or a clan doesn't guarantee good players and doesn't even guarantee communication (though I guess in Destiny's case it is the only way to get communication at all).

Would I PUG the Extreme mode stuff in FFXIV and expect to win? Hell no but I would give it a go as an attempt to learn the stuff or at least part of it. Why can't we have the same option in Destiny? Group with randoms and at least attempt the content.

 

[JCizzle]

Not a fan of them investing so much time in an end game that will be limited to a much smaller percentage of players than other solutions. I'm sure this will appeal to a certain type of player, but I'm not sure it will drive interest for a larger group of players necessary to keep the population high. We'll see.

 

[Omega]

I'm not assuming that at all. I've done 50 waves of insane Gears horde with randoms. That was not easy.

wut

A) yes it is.

B) horde is nothing compared to a raid.

 

[KrM DeLorean]

Sounds like FFXI Dynamis.
Actually more like Salvage I should say.

..
I'm in if the rewards are sexy.

 

[Recall]

Of course you are allowed to attempt anything you like.

Bungie is just not making a dedicated hopper to funnel randoms into the raid. And with good reason.

Maybe they'll add a lesser difficulty later and open it up to randoms, who knows. It kind of defeats the purpose of the raid though.

What is a good reason? You act like it is impossible to do any activity with randoms? Not every random is an idiot.

 

[dreamer3kx]

Huh, why, I just want to jump in and play, have like two friends with a ps4 and only play call of duty and madden, lol, this is dumb imo.

 

[commish]

Luckily i joined this forum. Eastside gafers stand up!

Let's go! I'm ready.

 

[bigbaldwolf86]

This is the first post that makes a modicum of sense as to why they wouldn't implement matchmaking for raids.

It raises a new question though. Why in the world would they dissalow communication outside of friends in a game where you can randomly encounter people?

This is what baffles me as well. Why can't I speak to people as I meet them? Random people exchanging stories and tips or even deciding to party up. This decision really limits things for people who will find it difficult to get 5 friends together at the same time.

 

[Vandiger]

Might as well since randoms can likely quit, leaving mates high and dry if they are going nowhere.

 

[ultron87]

I wonder if this is a symptom of not having a good group management interface for matchmade groups. Having some dumbass in your multi hour raid that you can't boot out would indeed suck.

 

[Ivory Samoan]

Have they explained how Clans work? Will everyone in the GAF Clan be automatically considered as "friends" when it comes to voice comms? Do I have to manually add every GAF Clan member's gamertag as a "friend" in order to communicate?

Fire Team chat is on automatically, you're all go if you have a mic hooked up.

 

[BigDug13]

nevermind

 

[JetBlackPanda]

Huh, why, I just want to jump in and play, have like two friends with a ps4, this is dumb imo.

Go ahead.

the raid is not a jump in a play mode.

according to Bungie it takes hours and you can't just leave once you start.