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[KelpPlankton]

Protip: if you think you've noticed something new in the images that can prove or disprove it, you haven't.

If you can find something new in a screenshot or promotional material that's NOT part of the leak that has something to do with the leak's images, then by all means post it, but going "why is this this way? fake" isn't constructive for either side of the argument.

It just shows you either don't understand something or haven't been paying attention to the discussion. Or, at worst, that you don't understand what you're looking at at all.

In summary:

mario deconfirmed

 

[JediLink]

A certain poor fool has already taken up my offer for a lifetime avatar bet (and since it's a lifetime bet I really can't make any more avatar bets until I win) but just how certain are you, Afoni? How much would you stake on it?

 

[SoldnerKei]

If the argument is boiling down to "do you think someone would put in this much work only to fuck up?" then this is a pointless discussion. The only way to disprove a leak is to look for those signs, not to brush off any inconsistency just because otherwise it wouldn't be perfect enough.

Get real, kids.

yup, anyone with a few hours to spare could have done this, more people could be involved too, I kind of believe it because it hasn't been fully debunked yet, just like palutena's leak, which eventually turned out real

 

[balladofwindfishes]

The only thing I don't like about those leaks being real is that stupid DLC thing, why would they remove veterans and put it behind a paywall? That would be really shitty.
Other than that I'd have no problem seeing those roster additions being true.

Having said that, I'm obviously on #TeamFake so there's no need to worry about that fake DLC crap.

It could be one of many different things, it might not be as simple as they cut characters out for some easy cash:

-They ran out of time and couldn't delay the 3DS version
-They want characters to use to hype the WiiU version and held some back
-The characters will be added in a post release patch to keep sales and hype high for longer.

I think it's a mixture of all three. Charging for vets would be weird and out of character for Sakurai, the WiiU version will be hyped more with it's own characters, which can come to the 3DS later, and the characters as DLC are not important or are complicated, so they may have decided against them to not delay the game.

 

[Kandinsky]

...and Link's face continue to annoy me, Samurai please D:

 

[superNESjoe]

Protip: if you think you've noticed something new in the images that can prove or disprove it, you haven't.

If you can find something new in a screenshot or promotional material that's NOT part of the leak that has something to do with the leak's images, then by all means post it, but going "why is this this way? fake" isn't constructive for either side of the argument.

It just shows you either don't understand something or haven't been paying attention to the discussion. Or, at worst, that you don't understand what you're looking at at all.

This so hard. These pictures have been analyzed to such a ridiculous extent, with tons of information and evidence compiled together for both sides. This is no longer about looking at it and deciding for yourself what you notice, it's about going over the evidence we have for both sides and deciding what's more reasonable.

 

[ffdgh]

Let's not take this leak too seriously...

 

[Buddha Beam]

The common theory, even before this leak, was that Mii Fighters are only enabled when customization is on.

That sounds really, really dumb, if true.

 

[The12thGripper]

Yeah, sure... The levels with the human players also have a different font than the levels CPU players get as their difficulty. Keep believing that they would stumble on such an easy thing to do right while even details like glitches almost nobody had noticed before were correctly taken. Doesn't prove it's real, just that the guy behind put way too much effort in it to make a mistake right there. The levels don't prove anything.

If you're going to just overlook things that would go against the leak, then it's not worth my time to argue with you.

 

[muyricosuave]

Ain't no party like a smash party because a smash party has infinite threads lol

 

[rawktapus]

Have people floated the idea that the levels represent player handicaps? I think they showed up on character screens in brawl.

 

[Odie_Esty]

Here's a question:

How expensive would the DLC have to be to make you not buy it?

Let's say give a number for Individual Character Cost and a number for All Character Bundle Cost, and assume there's 5 characters total as DLC.

We're not talking about what you think the prices SHOULD be, it's at what point do you go "this is crazy, I'm not paying that much for a character"? Or do you even have the willpower to say no?

In a mascot fighter like this it's really reliant on who the fighters are, but for a single fighter and nothing else I can't see me going over 10 dollars.

 

[Neoxon]

The original leak with the ESRB stuff (likely ESRB footage as it's missing the 3DS hardware itself) is likely real. The DLC comment from the same person could be real, because he leaked the photos and may have heard from his ESRB friend about the DLC (Nintendo may have also shown off the DLC for ratings). But all this "smash mods say the leaker made stuff up but trust us plz" is just bullshit, and isn't even worth discussing.

THANK YOU!!!!

 

[Xpike]

Let's not take this leak too seriously...

think its too late for that bub

 

[MrSaturn99]

In no particular order and without pointing fingers to names

Oh, and they had an Obituary:



Well, I guess it's important to have a passion in what you want, huh?

Ahahahahaha omg

 

[superNESjoe]

If you're going to just overlook things that would go against the leak, then it's not worth my time to argue with you.

He's not overlooking anything, he acknowledged them and personally thinks it's more likely that they belong to something legit we don't know about then being evidence that it's fake.

 

[Beelzebufo]

Let's not take this leak too seriously...

That's kinda hard to do when it's still here and it was so compelling in the first place haha.

Is there any reason not to take it seriously? Especially after the Tomodachi Reveal?

 

[InsuRn]

For Duck Hunt, you actually play as the duck. The dog just follows you around trying to eat you.

Ok, now I want it to be true ! Haha ! That would be the most awesome character in Smash history !

 

[PKrockin]

The original leak with the ESRB stuff (likely ESRB footage as it's missing the 3DS hardware itself) is likely real. The DLC comment from the same person could be real, because he leaked the photos and may have heard from his ESRB friend about the DLC (Nintendo may have also shown off the DLC for ratings). But all this "smash mods say the leaker made stuff up but trust us plz" is just bullshit, and isn't even worth discussing.

But the ESRB doesn't play games. They get video footage of objectionable content.

Resident Evil franchise isn't my type of games so I would pass on that but I will trying my best to find Metroid Prime Trilogy and give it a shot.

Try RE4 anyway. I'm not a fan of RE or horror games in general but RE4 is just so well designed and the action is so satisfying it's one of my favorite games of all time.

 

[PadWarrior]

Let's not take this leak too seriously...

Too late lol

 

[afoni]

The argument right above you says more than that. There is a ton of stuff that lends to this being credible, so much so that it's more reasonable that this is simply showing something we're not aware of then an overlooked mistake on an elaborately detailed leak.

Make your point without belittling or diminishing those that don't agree with you.

Then I politely ask you to make yours without the condescending tone. When my thoughts are met with the idea that a good faker wouldn't fuck up, all you're doing is presenting me with a boring argument that doesn't do anything to add to any discussion and leaves us at a dead end. If you want me to stop ignoring your points, stop disregarding mine just because of your own conjecture about the quality of what we're looking at.

Or are you going to tell me once more that the fakes are too good to have inconsistencies and that there must be a valid reason for these inconsistencies, but you can't actually give me any reasoning because there isn't any? Because if you do that I'm just going to bail out of this thread and let you guys have your silly discussion, because disregarding one side of the argument to satisfy your own thoughts on the matter just seems a bit stupid.

Try not to segue into a different point entirely either.

 

[ffdgh]

That's kinda hard to do when it's still here and it was so compelling in the first place haha.

Is there any reason not to take it seriously? Especially after the Tomodachi Reveal?

I mean getting at each other's throats over it.

 

[Revven]

Have people floated the idea that the levels represent player handicaps? I think they showed up on character screens in brawl.

This would make sense.

 

[KelpPlankton]

He's not overlooking anything, he acknowledged them and personally thinks it's more likely that they belong to something legit we don't know about then being evidence that it's fake.

Not to mention Smash Run CPUs having full color banners on the lower screen and displaying their levels where a player name would be displayed, which is a thing people have seen before. But yes it must be players with levels, leak deconfirmed, smash bros canceled.

 

[DNAbro]

If you're going to just overlook things that would go against the leak, then it's not worth my time to argue with you.

If the leak is real, why would we know what the levels are for? Just having the levels there doesn't disprove anything.

 

[NotLiquid]

It's a picture from Smash Run

The menu hasn't been shown the way it is here though. Previous builds always showed the user name, even when there wasn't any entry. Makes no sense.

The original leak with the ESRB stuff (likely ESRB footage as it's missing the 3DS hardware itself) is likely real. The DLC comment from the same person could be real, because he leaked the photos and may have heard from his ESRB friend about the DLC (Nintendo may have also shown off the DLC for ratings). But all this "smash mods say the leaker made stuff up but trust us plz" is just bullshit, and isn't even worth discussing.

There's too close of a proximity with all the leaks and the materials used for different set of leaks "not being true". Either they're all true or none of them are.

 

[superNESjoe]

That's kinda hard to do when it's still here and it was so compelling in the first place haha.

Is there any reason not to take it seriously? Especially after the Tomodachi Reveal?

There could be POTD's and video that shows the game running on a 3DS with this roster and people will still scream up and down all day about how it's still fake and it just got lucky or the leaked footage is simply prerecorded footage of a Project M mod being run on a 3DS screen.

 

[Beelzebufo]

I mean getting at each other's throats over it.

Ohh gotcha. I agree! I also don't know why people are arguing with afoani. He's being satirical.

 

[Neiteio]

If the leak is real, why would we know what the levels are for? Just having the levels there doesn't disprove anything.

Exactly. All things considered, I'm more inclined to believe that this is all real but the levels are from something we don't know about yet. They may be some element of Smash Run, or some other mode, or they may even be pertaining to Amiibos, which we know can level up.

 

[NeonZ]

Asked the same question yesterday without the hyperbole following it. It could be Smash Run levels. 3DS version has some kind of RPG leveling system.

I don't think we've seen anything regarding that though. Powering up seems to be just about equipment and items, replacing Brawl's SSE stickers, nothing about levels has been shown so far.

http://www.smashbros.com/us/howto/entry2.html
http://www.ign.com/wikis/super-smash-bros-wii-u-3ds/Smash_Run

 

[Fireblend]

I'm gonna take a break from this thread because you guys are clueless about logical reasoning

Just gonna say this: ignore random posters claiming to be the leakers or having contact with them, specially when they come from forums that reward "leaks" with attention or good reputation. This applies just as much to forum mods, who have manufactured authority; their unsubstantiated claims are as useless without evidence as anyone else's.

If you guys want to get to the bottom of this, you need your base information to be as reliable as possible, and keeping it free from information coming from different sources with varying degrees of dubiousness that could confuse it is the single best thing you guys can do. Approach every new claim with skepticism, and don't believe it right away just because it piggybacks off of a previously deemed reliable claim.

Peace

 

[georly]

The Klonoa 'leak' was brought down by a simple Japanese mistake. Plenty of leaks can be brought down by simple errors.

Yup, I 100% agree.

This leak, however, has no such obvious inconsistency that makes it fake. Everything it does that is seemingly weird could very well be intended behavior.

The 'thicker black bar' was the first 'mistake', until it was proven that it ACTUALLY does happen in the E3 demo.

Like it's been pointed out before, you could do the same about brawl's CSS. Things that you think look weird or 'off' don't make it 'fake.'

You have to think: Is it ACTUALLY a mistake... or is it just something that looks weird/off? Like I said before: using 'jigglypuff' instead of 'purin' is a mistake. Levels on top of character names... weird/off, not necessarily a mistake. The faker would have had to purposefully put those in.

 

[KelpPlankton]

I don't think we've seen anything regarding that though. Powering up seems to be just about equipment and items, nothing about levels has been shown so far.

http://www.smashbros.com/us/howto/entry2.html
http://www.ign.com/wikis/super-smash-bros-wii-u-3ds/Smash_Run

Yeah, people are assuming it's probably Amiibo-related, which is something that the ESRB has to be shown even if it's not going to be working for players until next year. I think that's likely.

 

[Hot Coldman]

Ohhhhh, I didn't even think about it being ESRB footage. Suddenly everything makes a lot more sense.

Well, besides the dumb character select screen. Which I can't explain. But I'm betting it's Sakurai being an idiot rather than an incomplete roster (why would it be incomplete if it's being sent to a rating's board) or a photoshop fuck-up.

 

[Neoxon]

I'm gonna take a break from this thread because you guys are clueless about logical reasoning

Just gonna say this: ignore random posters claiming to be the leakers or having contact with them, specially when they come from forums that reward "leaks" with attention or good reputation. This applies just as much to forum mods, who have manufactured authority; their unsubstantiated claims are as useless without evidence as anyone else's.

If you guys want to get to the bottom of this, you need your base information to be as reliable as possible, and keeping it free from information coming from different sources with varying degrees of dubiousness that could confuse it is the single best thing you guys can do. Approach every new claim with skepticism, and don't believe it right away just because it piggybacks off of a previously deemed reliable claim.

Peace

This guy also gets it.

Yeah, people are assuming it's probably Amiibo-related, which is something that the ESRB has to be shown even if it's not going to be working for players until next year. I think that's likely.

I have one idea, it's the handicap levels. I'm surprised no one remembered about those until now.

 

[emb]

A certain poor fool has already taken up my offer for a lifetime avatar bet (and since it's a lifetime bet I really can't make any more avatar bets until I win) but just how certain are you, Afoni? How much would you stake on it?

Interesting stakes. And I love how sure of themselves both sides are.

 

[Aβydoς]

For Duck Hunt, you actually play as the duck. The dog just follows you around trying to eat you.

And the attacks are actually the Dog's attacks to get the Duck which mistakenly land on the opponents.

Spoiler

Holy. Fucking. Shit.

 

[PKrockin]

Yeah, people are assuming it's probably Amiibo-related, which is something that the ESRB has to be shown even if it's not going to be working for players until next year. I think that's likely.

Why would Nintendo send the ESRB footage of a character select screen that doesn't have all the characters unlocked?

 

[Gonzo The Great]

Yeah, people are assuming it's probably Amiibo-related, which is something that the ESRB has to be shown even if it's not going to be working for players until next year. I think that's likely.

So the ESRB also knows that the Ice Climbers are going to be DLC? I find the whole ESRB story to be extremely fishy. Well, I find the story in general to be extremely fishy.

 

[InvincibleAgent]

I'm gonna take a break from this thread because you guys are clueless about logical reasoning

Just gonna say this: ignore random posters claiming to be the leakers or having contact with them, specially when they come from forums that reward "leaks" with attention or good reputation. This applies just as much to forum mods, who have manufactured authority; their unsubstantiated claims are as useless without evidence as anyone else's.

If you guys want to get to the bottom of this, you need your base information to be as reliable as possible, and keeping it free from information coming from different sources with varying degrees of dubiousness that could confuse it is the single best thing you guys can do. Approach every new claim with skepticism, and don't believe it right away just because it piggybacks off of a previously deemed reliable claim.

Peace

But I is smarts too

 

[KelpPlankton]

I'm gonna take a break from this thread because you guys are clueless about logical reasoning

Just gonna say this: ignore random posters claiming to be the leakers or having contact with them, specially when they come from forums that reward "leaks" with attention or good reputation. This applies just as much to forum mods, who have manufactured authority; their unsubstantiated claims are as useless without evidence as anyone else's.

If you guys want to get to the bottom of this, you need your base information to be as reliable as possible, and keeping it free from information coming from different sources with varying degrees of dubiousness that could confuse it is the single best thing you guys can do. Approach every new claim with skepticism, and don't believe it right away just because it piggybacks off of a previously deemed reliable claim.

Peace

Yeah. Don't trust text posts, trust images. What we need is a visual, substantial confirmation in one direction or the other, not some moderators going "My uncle is a Nintendo and I played Smash Bros 5 but I won't tell you anything other than 'this is wrong info' ever because its seeeecret". That's not reliable anything.

You need evidence.

Not testimony.

 

[Beelzebufo]

Why would Nintendo send the ESRB footage of a character select screen that doesn't have all the characters unlocked?

Who said all the characters weren't unlocked? Unless you're talking about DLC? Don't believe the SmashBoards people, they're crazy.

So the ESRB also knows that the Ice Climbers are going to be DLC? I find the whole ESRB story to be extremely fishy. Well, I find the story in general to be extremely fishy.

Wouldn't the person sending info to the ESRB (someone from the treehouse?) know?

Anyway, has Doctor Mario's avatar already been called? I already have Chorus Kids, but that might take a while.

 

[Devil]

If you're going to just overlook things that would go against the leak, then it's not worth my time to argue with you.

I'm not overlooking anything. In fact I've been asking the same question about the levels just yesterday. How am I overlooking it? Way to be construcitve. I'm not on an agenda to tell people it's fake or it's real. Right now I'm leaning toward real and have fun discussing the arguments, that's it.

The level thing is not even on every screenshot by the same guy. I personally feel it's highly unlikely that one guy who just posted 3 pics to miss the fact that there are levels on the first but not on the second pic. http://s9.postimg.org/6c32zsigf/leakers.jpg

 

[MrSaturn99]

Ballad of the Goddess has been my ringtone for the last three years :3

my condolences to your eardrums

 

[NeonZ]

So the ESRB also knows that the Ice Climbers are going to be DLC? I find the whole ESRB story to be extremely fishy. Well, I find the story in general to be extremely fishy.

Well, the pictures they show don't seem to be from 3ds hardware (they're offscreen, but there's no space between the screens), so the ESRB story matches up there, since it'd come from various. DLC also has to be rated by them, so it could be part of that too.

I'll be disappointed though if they're really locking what's basically core content behind DLC. Nintendo has always managed to avoid that so far... DLC should be and feel like extras, additions, not things you'd expect to be in the core game.

 

[KelpPlankton]

So the ESRB also knows that the Ice Climbers are going to be DLC? I find the whole ESRB story to be extremely fishy. Well, I find the story in general to be extremely fishy.

Don't trust the leaker's DLC claims. If it's not in the images it basically doesn't exist.

However, the ESRB might know of the DLC. It's required to disclose ALL CONTENT IN A GAME'S CODE (imagine big warning sirens as you read that) to the ESRB for rating purposes- something they instituted after the Hot Coffee incident. If there's any code related to DLC characters and who they are, it's plausible that an ESRB member could know that information.

 

[JoeInky]

So the ESRB also knows that the Ice Climbers are going to be DLC? I find the whole ESRB story to be extremely fishy. Well, I find the story in general to be extremely fishy.

Well, considering a lot of the DLC is veterans, I think it's safe to say they had to be held back for DLC so as not to delay the game, which means there could be files still on there which the ESRB has to be made aware of.

It could also be that they're on the cart and don't actually get unlocked until a patch when the WiiU version releases, to keep some roster surprises for that version.

 

[PadWarrior]

my condolences to your eardrums

Lol!

 

[georly]

Why would Nintendo send the ESRB footage of a character select screen that doesn't have all the characters unlocked?

The real question: Is it possible they actually did send them footage of an unfinished CSS? If that's a possibility, then that doesn't disprove the fake at all.

I'm not overlooking anything. In fact I've been asking the same question about the levels just yesterday. How am I overlooking it? Way to be construcitve. I'm not on an agenda to tell people it's fake or it's real. Right now I'm leaning toward real and have fun discussing the arguments, that's it.

The level thing is not even on every screenshot by the same guy. I personally feel it's highly unlikely that one guy who just posted 3 pics to miss the fact that there are levels on the first but not on the second pic. http://s9.postimg.org/6c32zsigf/leakers.jpg

Where are we getting the info that those 3 sets come from 3 different people? Are the people claiming that reliable?

 

[Mr.Miyamoto]

i single handedly debunked the leak

its over guys your welcome

#Teamfake thanks you for your service.