Lock on basically only exists for the launchers. You shouldn't use it to target an enemy, simply pushing the stick towards the enemy you want to attack should work the majority of the time.Unless slowdown is a normal part of fighting them, I'm very confused what I'm doing wrong. Were you using lock-on? If you dodge an attack to get witch time, your combos slow down, and I'm experiencing the same sort of behavior -- slowed-down combos and attacks, typically when facing the gate or using lock-on.
If I -don't- use lock-on, I'm not sure how to focus fire down one of them, since they teleport around.
*edit* Beat them, but definitely the worst boss fight so far because of the slowdown. Please tell me some of the later boss fights are NOT on fire and have better performance?
*edit again* The next section is ALSO ON FIRE and exploding. I'm not sure how people didn't have problems with chapter 3, unless it gets smooth again. Vigrid was great.
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Bayonetta: Special Edition |OT| Fly Me To Wii U
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Neff
Member
Lol, this entire post is basically a checklist of everything I missed in the sequel, and the reasons why I still prefer the first one. You'll definitely enjoy B2 more than the first game.
I'm not sure I've gone through a chapter since the prologue WITHOUT missing verses and consequently getting a stone award. I don't know if I'm just bad at finding them or what.
Launchers = rocket launchers or something? The only weapons I have are the starter pistols, two shotguns, and a katana.
I was probably trying to use lock-on there because I wanted to focus down one of the two enemies and have an easier time with the second one, and if they group together you can accidentally start hitting the other enemy instead.
TheBlueBomber
Member
I'm not sure I've gone through a chapter since the prologue WITHOUT missing verses and consequently getting a stone award. I don't know if I'm just bad at finding them or what.
Launchers = rocket launchers or something? The only weapons I have are the starter pistols, two shotguns, and a katana.
I was probably trying to use lock-on there because I wanted to focus down one of the two enemies and have an easier time with the second one, and if they group together you can accidentally start hitting the other enemy instead.
Launchers=moves that launch enemies into the air lol
Lumination
'enry 'ollins
Dunno if people mentioned this already, but keep track of what verse you're on. If you're progressing normally and skip one, then backtrack and look for it.
I don't remember any you can miss and not backtrack for if you go for it immediately, but it has been a few years so correct me if I'm wrong.
I don't remember any you can miss and not backtrack for if you go for it immediately, but it has been a few years so correct me if I'm wrong.
Spieler Eins
Member
Finished it, gotta say it was disappointing. This game is just cheap at too many occasions. I already didn't like the rating system counting deaths on your first playthrough in W101, but here it pretty much equals giving you the finger, considering that 80% of the time you'll get stone because of shitty QTEs and other trial & error sections. Just adds unnecessary frustration (while in something like God Hand I couldn't care less whether I die 30 times in a stage, since it wasn't cheap and insulting). Haven't played the original DMC, but other than that, this was probably the weakest Kamiya game. Many setpieces weren't that memorable (or, like the whole ending, done better in W101) and enemies were kinda meh. Not many types and often not that fun to kill. Witch time is cool, but I prefer other battle systems like Ninja Gaiden 2 so far. With this bundled release, I also care even less for a NG+ playthrough (in which the biggest problems would again be memorizing dumb QTEs and the likes, since in battles I already had a silver-gold average, with many platinums...). I think I've enjoyed the story more than several parts of the gameplay, lol...
I'm hopeful for the sequel though, the demo was better than almost everything in this game.
I'm hopeful for the sequel though, the demo was better than almost everything in this game.
I can't help but laugh a little at all the people who finished the game once on Normal (presumably since the higher difficulties are locked) and have declared themselves finished. Yo it's a Platinum game man, you ain't finished until at least Hard mode, nevermind Infinite Climax... but hey, whatever ails ya. And Bayo 2 is waiting, of course.
Calling Bayo cheap is hilarious though. apart from the QTEs. Fuck insta-death QTEs.
Calling Bayo cheap is hilarious though. apart from the QTEs. Fuck insta-death QTEs.
well for me once I finish on Normal I'm going right to Bayonetta 2. I mean, it's just sitting there all new and shiny.
Magic Mushroom
Member
Can't wait to see the Ubran Arts video from Saur and co.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BNUfsCVIv8
You'll see how incredibly deep this game is. It's so rich, mechanically.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BNUfsCVIv8
You'll see how incredibly deep this game is. It's so rich, mechanically.
Yeah, they should've put Bayo out like a week or two earlier to build hype maybe.
But yeah... new and shiny...
InfiniteNine
Rolling Girl
That is correct!
ViewtifulJC
Banned
You prefer instant death QTEs and that ugly piss filter muting all the vibrant colors?
That's why I said "story"
I know it'll takes time to finish both at 100% and intend to, should keep me busy until Smash in December.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
Play Bayo 2 and dont use Umbran climax. It might scratch that NG itch more than you'd think.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
Didnt really want to shit on dark10x but, I had a feeling that the WiiU version was going to struggle on higher difficulties just as much as the 360 version.
GwyndolinCinder
Member
lol i missed the insta death qte, playing ping pong with missiles was alot of fun
So I finished it last night but since it was 5AM(Nothing like a marathon to finish...) I didn't bother typing up my thoughts.
Overall I'd say it's a very enjoyable experience with a few blemishes here and there. The combat is fantastic, flows well, and doesn't really feel cheap. Unfortunately, The QTE's did really let the game down in that aspect. The ones during torture moves or w/e are fine, but when you end up failing the fight/cutscene because you missed one random QTE that pops up, it gets tiring. It wouldn't matter so much but with the rank system being so punishing if you use a item or use a continue you end up feeling cheated out of a medal.
I also hope Platinum just stick to doing the normal combat. The motorbike section was not fun, and very buggy. Jumping at certain bits would cause you to just fall through the track. Not to mention you glitching through objects sometimes, all of which reminded me of Sonic 06, and that's not something I wanted to be reminded of. Space Harrier was an improvement, but not my favourite part.
Eh, I rarely do second playthroughs. Especially during a period with millions of games coming out.
I don't think that alone is what causes stone medals, though. Like I missed some versus on chapter 1 and still got a gold. I felt the reason I got stone medals was because of deaths/items, like was it chapter 2 with the silly QTE mid boss.. :I
Overall I'd say it's a very enjoyable experience with a few blemishes here and there. The combat is fantastic, flows well, and doesn't really feel cheap. Unfortunately, The QTE's did really let the game down in that aspect. The ones during torture moves or w/e are fine, but when you end up failing the fight/cutscene because you missed one random QTE that pops up, it gets tiring. It wouldn't matter so much but with the rank system being so punishing if you use a item or use a continue you end up feeling cheated out of a medal.
I also hope Platinum just stick to doing the normal combat. The motorbike section was not fun, and very buggy. Jumping at certain bits would cause you to just fall through the track. Not to mention you glitching through objects sometimes, all of which reminded me of Sonic 06, and that's not something I wanted to be reminded of. Space Harrier was an improvement, but not my favourite part.
Eh, I rarely do second playthroughs. Especially during a period with millions of games coming out.
I'm not sure I've gone through a chapter since the prologue WITHOUT missing verses and consequently getting a stone award. I don't know if I'm just bad at finding them or what.
I don't think that alone is what causes stone medals, though. Like I missed some versus on chapter 1 and still got a gold. I felt the reason I got stone medals was because of deaths/items, like was it chapter 2 with the silly QTE mid boss.. :I
Baloonatic
Member
Kind of disappointed with the performance to be honest. Fire pretty much kills the frame rate and chapter XII is an absolute slideshow. Still glad I decided to replay it before 2 though, it really is great.
going through it once, sure, not so bad.
replaying the game and going for high rank is when they get really bad, especially the second one because:
Die to Jeanne 2 on NSIC over and over while going for high rank? Enjoy playing the rocket stage a million times in a row
Not really, in the sense that in Bayonetta the game saves after pretty much every fight. So if you quit the game then you will start from there.
If you see that a battle isn't going well or that you can do better just quit to the title screen and continue. This way that fight won't count (as long as you quit before it ends, the rating pops up and the game saves) and you can try again without having to restart the whole chapter.
Then you are missing out because finishing the game once in this genre is just the beginning.
Neff
Member
Didn't mind the filter, but I did like the visual design better in the first one, versus the sequel's approach of turning everything into a diamond. I do think 2 looks good though.
QTEs I've never had a problem with, and I think complaints about them tend to be exaggerated. There's a mere handful of them in Bayonetta, and I remember when they occur and which button to press (almost all of them are square/X). I certainly preferred the first game's setpiece bosses and flashy QTE finishers as opposed to simply Dodge Offset-ing around a monster's attacks until it's dead, which I did a lot of in the sequel.
I also prefer the first game's level design, which is arguably more organic and has a better sense of hiding things away from you, wheras B2's stage design is very straight edged and boxy. Not to mention that the first game did a better job of keeping things fresh by throwing enemies at you with varying conditions, setting them on fire, fighting while dealing with floods, protecting Cereza etc. 2's best attempts at the same essentially amount to having a CPU player fight alongside you. (I'll admit I lost my shit when
Bayonetta and Mrs. Bayonetta did the falling Big Ben thing
Bayonetta 2's combat/weapons and enemies are great, but it's nice to clean the palate every now and then, and Bayo 1 does a much, much better job of this, in addition to having better combat anyway imo.
And the last boss was shit.
Any tips on doing better on bayo 1? I've been getting stones for awhile, I find the chapters are very long and I can't sustain my life for too long, even having some healing items. I also find witch time hard to perform, I die quite a bit, and I don't find that enemies drop life items often. Also, those quick time events destroy me lol oh and any tips on getting more halos? I find everything on Rodin shop too expensive. Any tips? Help?
matrix-cat
Member
The constant KACHUNK KACHUNK KACHUNK noises coming from my Wii U's disc drive during cutscenes are a real drag. It's not such a big deal, since I'll be skipping them all on subsequent playthroughs, but the whole reason I'm replaying Bayo 1 before I jump into 2 is to catch up on the story and my Wii U's trying its best to drown out all the dialogue. I've heard these noises in other Wii U games, but never just solid grinding for minutes at a time.
So far the Wii U version's been better than my 360 copy in every aspect except this one. What makes it worse is it's the kind of noise you can't just tune out like you could with a noisy fan or whatever.
So far the Wii U version's been better than my 360 copy in every aspect except this one. What makes it worse is it's the kind of noise you can't just tune out like you could with a noisy fan or whatever.
Baron von Loathsome
Member
I've been having the same problems, playing on Normal and currently stuck on Chapter VI. I'm thinking about switching to Easy.
Honestly it doesn't even matter how well I do in the level, I get fucked by any and all QTEs.
I found Panther Within dodge offset to beating some of the Alfheim challenges. It works very well against Joys.
Ulysses 31
Member
Think you have to partition it to a 1TB partion first and then format it rather than expecting a 300GB partition to change to 1TB after a format?
Anyway, been using a 2TB partion with no issues so far for all my digital Wii U content.
That's lame, I already got shit on that HDD I can't lose... Nintendo.. *sigh*
Ulysses 31
Member
You can still copy the stuff to another external HD/Flash drive and copy it back when you've made the 1TB partion and formatted it to the Wii U file system.
Pretty sure one of the later firmwares allowed copying between 2 external HDs.
Christberg
Member
Played this until pretty late last night. Coming off the PS3 version it's a night and day difference. Game is really damn entertaining, although the QTEs and cheap platforming section deaths have got to go.
Regardless of that fact, the second boss fight is super entertaining and I'm enjoying the story for how stupid and over the top it is.
Regardless of that fact, the second boss fight is super entertaining and I'm enjoying the story for how stupid and over the top it is.
DaanMuffin
Member
You'll be pleased to know they got rid of them in the new game (cheap deaths)
So, in Bayonetta I found an Elfheim, just after the train derails in Vigrid. They're asking me to kill an enemy with a limited set of kick and punch, so I'm supposed to not complete it now? Am I wrong or in the original game you potentially could complete the Alfheim when you find them?
All Elfheims are completable when you find them. It's just that some are balls hard.
What's already there is my orig Wii's WBFS partition and all my Wii games. Not gonna chance it. Plus, there's no reason other than pure stupidity you can't just plug up any HDD/SDD and format/partition any raw space that's there... It's just Nintendo being dumb.
FlashbladeGAF
Member
Don't worry about getting stones. We all got them during our first play through. Just try to focus on dodging the moment you see an enemy twitch, and don't try to force your self to finish a combo. If your performing a long combo more often than not it's going to get disrupted so you need to look for the eventual attack. That's when you dodge/dodge offset. Whenever you think an attack will come, dodge to be on the save side.
Shorter combos can help but if you keep using the same combo you will continue to get stones bronze figures. If it's all you can do to survive then again, don't worry about the rank.
By the time you get to bayo2 you'll think that game is easier, but the truth is you just got gud.
In rodin's shop the weapons, accessories and treasures are mainly for second playthroughs unless your spending time in the challenge rooms where you can earn a lot of halos. Focus on purchasing techniques and items only. Techniques will make the game so much easier. Especially the bat within.
Sammy Samusu
Member
Slow start, but things are definitely picking up now.
I'm starting to enjoy the game!
I'm starting to enjoy the game!
Ulysses 31
Member
You weren't enjoying till now? =/
Sammy Samusu
Member
I just learned how to equip different weapons and use items.
It's not really a welcoming game.
You just need to hold your punches and kicks as long as possible to get extra damage.