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[Nakazato]

Call of halo

 

[TheLostBigBoss]

Think more along the lines of MGS2.

This makes me happy.

But fuck everything else.

 

[VeeP]

I want it.



So why the hate for Sprinting and ADS in Halo? Because they're not "Halo" things?

New Halo games are never going to be carbon copies of the previous titles, something is going to be changed somehow. Sprinting has been integrated since Reach, it's plain silly to think they were just gonna get rid of it after Halo 4.

Sprinting hasn't been integrated since Halo Reach. Sprinting was a Armor Ability. Sprinting has been integrated since Halo 4.

 

[Nzyme32]

Wait wait wait wait... people complaining about ADS slowing down the game - how do you know this?

Didn't the BR and other rifles and even the pistol have scopes? Is there any footage actually showing that aim is massively worse from the hip?

Or is this the usual case of many GAF users losing their shit for no reason?

 

[Justrekt]

343 giving us that big ole middle finger. "We can make a good halo game, you fans need to except change, it isn't about you, it's about us".

 

[Maintenance]

Is that funny to you?

Take your favorite fucking franchise... then ruin everything that made what you loved about it.

Is that fucking funny?

God damn.

This is happening way too often in the industry. I know that innovation is good, but c'mon.

 

[Stone Ocean]

Not necessarily a "switcharoo" or "bait and switch", just more along the lines of describing playtime ratio.

So something along the lines of Devil May Cry 4 then?

 

[Doug Heffernan]

kinda sucks if you are a arena shooter fan like myself

I have hope for Unreal Tournament at least

I don't have great expectations for that upcoming F2P UT.
CliffyB will save us.

 

[JonCha]

Split community.

Also somebody please post a MGS2 explanation/synopsis.

Spoiler

There are two characters, Raiden and Snake (the latter the main character of MGS1). You play all of the game as Raiden - Snake is an NPC and supports you during the game but also comes and goes.

 

[Wollveren]

SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT!

Wait wait wait what??? I'm confused, what do you mean master chief is like raiden? Played MSG2 loong time ago so I don't get it.

 

[Korosenai]

Not necessarily a "switcharoo" or "bait and switch", just more along the lines of describing playtime ratio.

For someone who has never played mgs2, how much of the game is raiden? Like 60%, 70%?

 

[Masterz117]

So pretty much every weapon has ADS? And 343i wants to retire Master Chief? That's it. It's over.

Rest in peace my favorite franchise ever. I literally feel sick to my stomach writing this. How could this happen to something so great? Rest in peace Halo.

 

[KDC720]

I don't know guys, I just don't know. Gonna reserve judgement till the beta, but I'm really not liking what I'm hearing so far.

 

[ChawlieTheFair]

Can somebody explain how MGS2 has it?

So, MGS2, in the beginning you play as Snake, very briefly, for the rest of the game you play as Raiden. Nobody knew that was going to happen they kept it hidden. Also, it is of my opinion and many others that Raiden sucked, but that's a different thread.

 

[L4nnist3r]

What about maybe, just maybe this is just one game mode and it the game has a competitive mode where all this is turn off?

over reaction is really strong on in this thread. Its just a 7 minutes leaked video people. We don't have any official information about the game. What about waiting for more concrete info before jumping over conclusions.

 

[Xamtheking]

Wait wait wait wait... didn't people complaining about ADS slowing down the game - how do you know this?

Didn't the BR and other rifles and even the pistol have scopes? Is there any footage actually showing that aim is massively worse from the hip?

Or is this the usual case of many GAF users losing their shit for no reason?

Scopes in Halo not equal to ADS in other games
ADS is ADS because of the slowdown in movement
Halo scopes don't have that
Edit: In essentially all other FPSes you need to ADS or you can't hit a brick wall

 

[Nokterian]

343 and Microsoft ruining Dreams for every halo player.

 

[Mrbob]

Asked around, things can change but, assault rifle got dat ADS too, "pretty much" all the weapons. They're going for that e-sports scene very hard.

Welp.

Disappointing. Also, what E Sports scene are 343 going after? Are they turning Halo into a MOBA?

 

[dmr87]

I miss UT, Quake, Halo...


FPSs used to be good.

UT is in the making thankfully.

 

[NIN90]

Guys, what if there is a playlist option for enabling/disabling ADS so that everyone is happy. Will it be as bad? What are the downsides then?

Maps being balanced around sprint and ADS?

 

[FaintColt388301]

For someone who has never played mgs2, how much of the game is raiden? Like 60%, 70%?

I'd say 90, 10 but I could be wrong

 

[Wurdfurd]

Guys 343i has obviously given MCC to us old school fans to have that classic Halo MP experience, and are making H5G their own game.

If H5 is a fantastic game that isn't really Halo anymore, but is still fun, competitive, and balanced, I will be fine with that, because I'll have MCC as my classic fix.

 

[BigDug13]

What about maybe, just maybe this is just one game mode and it the game has a competitive mode where all this is turn off?

over reaction is really strong on in this thread. Its just a 7 minutes leaked video people. We don't have any official information about the game. What about waiting for more concrete info before jumping over conclusions.

We have an insider that asked around and confirmed. Maybe it should be added to the OP.

 

[_DrMario_]

I just wanted to say how scary/sad it is that A LOT of people in this thread can't grasp how a simple concept like ADS works and affects gameplay.

It just blows my fucking mind.

 

[Stone Ocean]

Wait wait wait what??? I'm confused, what do you mean master chief is like raiden? Played MSG2 loong time ago so I don't get it.

It means you'll not play as Master Chief as much as you would have liked.

 

[ChawlieTheFair]

I'd say 90, 10 but I could be wrong

Nah I'd say that's right.

 

[VinFTW]

This is happening way too often in the industry. I know that innovation is good, but c'mon.

Maybe this is a sign that I should just quit this hobby.

Getting too old for shit and with med-school coming up, I don't need this heartbreak.

Spoiler

#overdramaticbutfuckthissucks

 

[Maintenance]

UT is in the making thankfully.

I'm kinda afraid for UT.

Maybe this is a sign that I should just quit this hobby.

Getting too old for shit and with med-school coming up, I don't need this heartbreak.

Spoiler

#overdramaticbutfuckthissucks

I thought about quitting sometimes too, but I'm in too deep already.

 

[Seventy70]

The only good thing 343 ever did was make a collection that had Halo games before they got to touch them(except Halo 4).

 

[-tetsuo-]

I hope Quake 5 has ADS as well. Will make it better for playing with a controller and more accessible for console players so it can sell some actual copies and not just peanuts.

 

[Rockyrock]

Asked around, things can change but, assault rifle got dat ADS too, "pretty much" all the weapons. They're going for that e-sports scene very hard.

Welp.

lmao its like 343 don't know Counter Strike exists.....

 

[VeeP]

Is that funny to you?

Take your favorite fucking franchise... then ruin everything that made what you loved about it.

Is that fucking funny?

God damn.

Not funny. I didn't mean anything bad by it. I actually don't think ADS/Sprinting is a good idea

Spoiler

(But I'm willing to wait until I see proper gameplay)

. Look at a few of my past post, I agree with Halo fans. I've been playing since around 2002 if its any constellation. XBC, XBL, etc.

Didn't mean to offend anyone. Sorry for my comment.

 

[Poodlestrike]

Wait wait wait wait... people complaining about ADS slowing down the game - how do you know this?

Didn't the BR and other rifles and even the pistol have scopes? Is there any footage actually showing that aim is massively worse from the hip?

Or is this the usual case of many GAF users losing their shit for no reason?

They had scopes, but you weren't slowed down when you were using them. Also, hip fire was 100% viable. Traditionally, with ADS neither of those things are true.

 

[bloodforge]

I want it.

Sprinting and Aim Down Sights is a standard with most shooters today. I'm glad if they are in Halo 5.

Call of Duty may have popularized those features, but there are a lot of other shooters that use these mechanics like Battlefield, Destiny, or an FPS I personally play a lot of, Payday 2.

Even though it's not the same in 3rd person shooters, the control scheme for aiming in some of them mirrors the aim controls of ADS FPSs [Gears of War and GTA V are some good examples].

I'm glad these features are in Halo 5, and they're sort of overdue at this point. I love playing Halo and have been on board since 1, but as time went by after 3, I felt like the way the game controlled was dated. I did want to go faster, I did want to aim my gun without using binocular-visor-scope things.

They introduced sprinting in Halo: Reach as an armor ability, and just to be able to move quickly on the battlefield I primarily chose this perk [my other preference was Hologram]. When Halo 4 came out, sprinting was a default feature of your Spartan and I liked it. I liked sprinting in Halo 4 so much that I never chose any other Tactical Package over Mobility, just to have unlimited sprint [and I get to keep my Hologram at the same time to boot!].

With sprinting having a slow honeymooning phase with the Halo games, it was only natural for ADS to eventually come to the game, and I'm surprised it took this long. ADS may have been popularized by Call of Duty but they're in a lot of today's mainstream shooters.

Hell, with all the games I've played since Halo 4, I was using ADS on so many FPSs [and even some 3rd Person Shooters were mimicking this ADS layout like Gears of War and GTA V, even with Loadout and Warframe as F2P examples] that by the time I made it full-circle back to Halo 4, I had to change my control layout. I went from using the Right Stick Button for Halo aiming for over a decade to making left trigger my aim button, just because all of the other games I've played made me migrate to it. And despite changing my Halo controls that I was comfortable with for the last 10 years, going to the new style was very quick to adjust to.


So why the hate for Sprinting and ADS in Halo? Because they're not "Halo" things?

New Halo games are never going to be carbon copies of the previous titles, something is going to be changed somehow. Sprinting has been integrated since Reach, it's plain silly to think they were just gonna get rid of it after Halo 4.

And at this point it's not even confirmed if all weapons even have ADS; for all we know it could be ability-specific or weapon-specific [or weapon-attachment specific too]. 343 could've not made MCC and gave Xbox One owners no choice but to have Halo 5 on that platform, but here we are with MCC, 4 old games with the old way of doing things if ADS and Sprinting is really that much of a big deal.

Master Chief is good at what he does because he adapts to the changes of the battlefield, he's ready for any situation at a moments notice. Don't play Halo 5 if you don't want to, you have your old options to fall back on, but not doing it just because of ADS and Sprinting just seems silly to me. The game's gonna evolve whether or not we're there to see it.

Completely agree. I love Halo 1-3 and also really liked 4. The series needs to evolve.

 

[Angelus Errare]

Why are Halo fans so crazy about ADS/sprinting?

All FPS have this now - Halo is stuck in the late 1990s/early 2000s.

And that's the problem. The utter lack of diversity in the FPS genre. They all play exactly the same, the only difference is...their setting.

 

[Doug Heffernan]

Guys 343i has obviously given MCC to us old school fans to have that classic Halo MP experience, and are making H5G their own game.

The existence of MCC does make this shit somewhat forgivable, but it still doesn't feel right.

 

[Stone Ocean]

For someone who has never played mgs2, how much of the game is raiden? Like 60%, 70%?

90%

You basically get to play as Snake for the "tutorial"

 

[Trey]

Wait wait wait wait... people complaining about ADS slowing down the game - how do you know this?

Didn't the BR and other rifles and even the pistol have scopes? Is there any footage actually showing that aim is massively worse from the hip?

Or is this the usual case of many GAF users losing their shit for no reason?

It's inherent to the kind of function ADS is. You cripple movement and completely bar any other action like throwing grenades or jumping in order to aim properly. That slows the game down.

 

[BeekleMatter]

Wwwhhhhyyyyyyyyyy how could this happen.

 

[Dopus]

I was going to buy the One for MCC and H5... not anymore!

Thanks for killing Halo 343i.

 

[Xamtheking]

And that's the problem. The utter lack of diversity in the FPS genre. They all play exactly the same, the only difference is...their setting.

Team Fortress 2 would like to say hi

 

[xxjuicesxx]

Giving it a chance is the worst argument ever. We did that with Halo 4 and Team Downer was right about everything.

 

[daveo42]

Completely agree. I love Halo 1-3 and also really liked 4. The series needs to evolve.

Innovations need to happen, but doing the same thing as everyone else is not the answer here.

 

[NintenDOMG]

I was going to buy the One for MCC and H5... not anymore!

Thanks for killing Halo 343i.

Goodbye!

 

[EchoChamber]

Pls shinobi you are lying right?

 

[ryan299]

I truly believe Halo 5 will lose more sales from Halo fans leaving then they will gain from making the game play more like COD.

 

[Celestia]

Tomorrow will be fun.

 

[theSlacker]

LOL What!?

I don't think he stuttered.

 

[HariKari]

Guys, what if there is a playlist option for enabling/disabling ADS so that everyone is happy. Will it be as bad? What are the downsides then?

Generally, every weapon in the game will have an ADS accuracy and a hipfire accuracy, the latter being worse. So it's not as easy as saying "just don't use it".

 

[Huff]

No real interest in playing a Halo game without MC being the main character