OmegaDL50
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See how many remember this one.
Hmm Phantasy Star 2? I think.
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Hilariously underpowered RPG party members.
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Hmm Phantasy Star 2? I think.
AlphaDragoon
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Final Cupil my dude.
too much work to get there. while i did end up getting all the chams, if i missed certain segments in the game to get one, im screwed.
Can't disagree more, she was the best healer in the whole franchise. I didn't even mess with her tactics and she was basically casting nurse exclusively through out every boss battle.
R_thanatos
Member
So bad. Everybody is better than him
Well he is the less powerfull of the cast ( because of the nerfs ) but his usefullness in battle is above average..once you skill cancel , you can kick all the way to the moon because his recovery time can get very short...
Hard to master , but quite usefull.
DontBeThatGuy
Member
lol read underpowered as overpowered. SO NEVERMIND!
I agree actually. I seem to be in the minority in actually liking Estelle (I figured most would but when I actually started reading into opinions of Tales fans after playing it I saw loads of people hated her) but regardless of that I found her very useful in my party as a healer, and she actually wasn't that bad as a swordswoman.
R_thanatos
Member
wwhat ? no.
Terra , she has one of the most broken ( read high ) magic stats of the entire game
Do you dislike mages in your rpg party ?
Spinosaurus
Member
They're so fun though. I even kept Virion.
Antway...maybe not underpowered, but Boney in Mother 3 felt weak compared to the rest of the party.
Is this a joke post?
SF Debris proved he was actually overpowered.
http://sfdebris.com/videos/other/kotor.php
Pump up his HP with Cheerful breads and give him a quick ring so you can have him fight constantly enough to gain levels. There maybe something I'm not remembering because Kiwi always did his flame breathe attack when I used him. It's not until I went online did I learn he has a standard attack.
Karsticles
Member
Haste. She doubles the entire team's actions. I love Marle.
Also, she is part of the most OP triple tech.
Boney had great speed stat. He was basically a great character for inventory management or any timing sensitive commands.
KittenMaster
Member
Both Black Belt and Thief are borderline useless in Final Fantasy 1.
Black Belt is basically most of the Fire Emblem characters posted in the overpowered characters thread where you have to train him to an obscenely high level to actually see the damage output he is known for. In realistic terms, unless you deliberately do a lot of unnecessary grinding then you won't see his damage output become great until around level 20... and that is endgame. He has trouble penetrating enemy defenses until late game and doesn't have great defenses himself.
Thief is... Thief. I do give him points for having very minor utility in letting you run from anything you want early game at low levels, though.
Black Belt is basically most of the Fire Emblem characters posted in the overpowered characters thread where you have to train him to an obscenely high level to actually see the damage output he is known for. In realistic terms, unless you deliberately do a lot of unnecessary grinding then you won't see his damage output become great until around level 20... and that is endgame. He has trouble penetrating enemy defenses until late game and doesn't have great defenses himself.
Thief is... Thief. I do give him points for having very minor utility in letting you run from anything you want early game at low levels, though.
Nikodemos
Member
Use the Gibberlings tweakpack to reinstate BG1 Grandmastery progression and things change quite a bit (for the better).
googleplex
Member
What, no Rafa and Malak?!
Rafa is top tier if you lower her faith. She dose ridiculous damage.
So bad. Everybody is better than him
I'm pretty sure this guy was top tier.
How do you make her strong?
Isn't Vincent the worst in FFVII? His Limkt Breaks suck.
I'm assuming he means all the posts of simply pictures and no context of who they are, what game they are from or what makes them weak.
Half of the images in here without anything attached I've had to google to even find out what game they are from, let alone why they suck :/
I found out about Vincents Limit Break the hard way. For some reason he was the only party member I had with healing materia at the time and I thought I'd try out his Limit to see what it was like during a boss fight.
He spent the rest of the fight healing the boss with fire based attacks while the rest of the party slowly died.
Eternal Gamer
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Well, to be fair in Etrian Odyssey, Bards are part of one of the strongests party builds.
Underpowered, actually hilarious.
He starts underpowered, but after you get the counter attack, he turns out to be the best member of the team! Every enemy attacks Candy Corn almost every time, it's so easy to counter with him it's not even fair.
SixMachine
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Yuffie is the best person to morph monsters. Her conformer attack is always based on the level of the enemy, so it works better against stronger ones. Morph usually reduces the attack power of the person who uses it but conformer ignores that so Yuffie can farm those sources rather easily, which you can use to max anyone's stats out.
On another note this is the first time in a thread I have seen anyone call Terra and Celes weak, usually people consider them very good since spell spamming is pretty strong throughout the game.
Speaking of bad dancing, Mog's dances weren't too good in FF6, they did decent damage when you first get him iirc but there are better options and you lose control of him for the rest of the time when you do it. But he did have decent stats so you can still use him. Umaro sucked though. He was berserk the whole time, so there wasn't much you can do with him.
Here's a really obscure one:
I remember his spells as being good.
Freed Y (Suikoden 2) is the first one that comes to mind.
Lots of Suikoden characters are bad, but the ones forced into your party for sections are usually at least decent. IIRC, when you get Freed Y you can't even put him in your convoy unlike many plot characters.
Freed is like a terrible clone of Flik stat-wise (with around 2/3 or less of Flik's stats in everything), and at the point where you get him he is worse than most characters, has to be in your front row to attack, has 100 less HP than most front-liners and misses half the time.
It kind of sucks, since with some of his plot events (especially the first battle of North Window) I want to like him. But he's just terrible.
Lots of Suikoden characters are bad, but the ones forced into your party for sections are usually at least decent. IIRC, when you get Freed Y you can't even put him in your convoy unlike many plot characters.
Freed is like a terrible clone of Flik stat-wise (with around 2/3 or less of Flik's stats in everything), and at the point where you get him he is worse than most characters, has to be in your front row to attack, has 100 less HP than most front-liners and misses half the time.
It kind of sucks, since with some of his plot events (especially the first battle of North Window) I want to like him. But he's just terrible.
True. Constantly casting and failing to charm enemies. So annoying.
I still have a good amount of the game left to finish, but I'm playing DQVI and poor Ashlynn... isn't very good. Partially my fault because going Mage with her like I thought felt natural exacerbated the issue, but she just doesn't have proper HP and defenses to survive at all, even ignoring that she starts out in the hole level-wise. I really wanted to use her, but I just couldn't make it work. Obviously you could with time with the way the game works, but it's the most I probably ever felt crippled for trying to use a character in an RPG.
Naoto from Persona 4 (original). She has physical skills that inflict status ailments and the insta kill spells. Neither work on bosses. Her stats aren't very good either. She can be used for farming but overall she's the worst party member in the game. I believe she may have gotten the Megido spells in the original but the high MP costs and her low magic stat still made that useless.
Dr. Benton Quest
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You serious right now?
ratcliffja
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Who let him out of those cuffs? But yeah he's pretty awful for the most part. Sheena is where it's at.
So bad. Everybody is better than him
Coinspinner
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Horrible character for party but awesome minigame and story
Hai Yo is actually pretty strong. There are stronger characters, but Hai Yo ain't on the weak side. Rune slots for the win, yo. That said, the Suikoden series has such a glut of worthless characters listing them all is a mission onto itself.
Rafa's skills ignore faith. Malak's skills are stonger with low faith, but still suck even with minimal faith. He was buffed a bit in War of the Lions, but still sucked. Rafa though... has always been OK, with the potential to be very good even. Sky Demon (Divinity) has the speed of an -aga spell but far higher damage even on one hit, all while ignoring Faith entirely... pretty good.
So bad. Everybody is better than him
This looks like a fanfic character
Dice
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Yes, because that was my experience. Everyone else could do in a regular attack what he would need to trance out for, and it was basically one hit. Everyone else could do crazy multi-hit shit like in FFXIII. He just sucked.
If you have to waste 10,000 turns throughout the game to make him not suck, then that fucking sucks, too. And if you need a guide to tell you how to fix his broken ass in this way, then that is also stupid.
Altered_Beast
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Thomas.
This stupid motherfucker
Sten's actually a pretty good tank. I had him tank a Desire Demon at higher difficulties without any real issues, and given that he's two handed he's also swinging at everybody around him.
I still use Shale instead, though.
Quistis (and Selphie to a lesser extent) in FFVIII. In a game where everyone can do whatever role you want the characters usefulness comes from the limits. Quistis has arguably the worst set of limits for late game.
Irvine, Zell, Squall and Rinoa can use multi-hit attacks (although Rinoa's has a random factor to it with Angelo and using her Meteor Wing requires a set up that's bad outside of Meteor Wing), Selphie can use an attack that will end the battle (luck plays into getting The End in the slot table though). All Quistis can do is a single hit attack with a long animation that can barely break the 9999 damage limit. On a damage per second ratio every other limit can beat that (except Selphie unless you get the right spell).
Selphie's limit is a slot style ability. You get a spell listed as well as how many times you cast it and you can either cast it or draw another 'random' spell and cast amount. The spells vary from casting Cure 3 times to casting Ultima twice. Sounds pretty good? Well you have to factor in the crisis level (basically, the more bleak the battle looks for you, the better chance of better limits) as well as the random factor of finding the spell you want. In the early game her limit can be really useful (providing you didn't break the game with modding your cards) since you can get high level spells early (getting Triple Thundaga on the robot spider boss is a nice thing), but she's easily made redundant.
Power of Thievery and Zidane becomes one of the best damage dealers in FFIX. Zidane is far from the worst in FFIX though. I'd probably say Vivi is since his best spells take too long for animations and Freya, Amarant or Steiner can easily attack for similar and faster damage.
Irvine, Zell, Squall and Rinoa can use multi-hit attacks (although Rinoa's has a random factor to it with Angelo and using her Meteor Wing requires a set up that's bad outside of Meteor Wing), Selphie can use an attack that will end the battle (luck plays into getting The End in the slot table though). All Quistis can do is a single hit attack with a long animation that can barely break the 9999 damage limit. On a damage per second ratio every other limit can beat that (except Selphie unless you get the right spell).
Selphie's limit is a slot style ability. You get a spell listed as well as how many times you cast it and you can either cast it or draw another 'random' spell and cast amount. The spells vary from casting Cure 3 times to casting Ultima twice. Sounds pretty good? Well you have to factor in the crisis level (basically, the more bleak the battle looks for you, the better chance of better limits) as well as the random factor of finding the spell you want. In the early game her limit can be really useful (providing you didn't break the game with modding your cards) since you can get high level spells early (getting Triple Thundaga on the robot spider boss is a nice thing), but she's easily made redundant.
Power of Thievery and Zidane becomes one of the best damage dealers in FFIX. Zidane is far from the worst in FFIX though. I'd probably say Vivi is since his best spells take too long for animations and Freya, Amarant or Steiner can easily attack for similar and faster damage.
For some reason, google image search works
Robert at Zeboyd Games
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Naoto's by far the best non-boss fighting character in game. She has all the main Mudo & Hama spells plus their passive boosts, good Attack All physical techniques, and Megido spells for stuff that's immune. Also, she has the best resists of any of your allies - no weaknesses, immunity to instant death spells and resistance to fire. Yeah, she's not the best in boss battles, but she makes getting to the bosses & leveling up very easy.
And then in P4G, they seriously buffed her by giving her a bunch of great new abilities so she's crazy overpowered there.
Haruka
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The prince of Cannock from DQII. Contrary to the other prince and the princess he is terrible at both offense, defence, and magic. I'm guessing he was intentionally designed to be that way since the only thing that he is useful for (and essential) is him knowing a couple of exclusive non-combat spells like escaping from dungeons. I believe he learns one very powerful offensive spell (which the princess also learns) but at a pretty high level. Most of the game he exists in order to contribute nothing to the fights and get kicked around by monsters.
Fuck I'll bite (I know you trying to get some bites)
Angel Bless gives you Thievery (around the time you hit the Outer Continent). Steal about 3000 (or was it 5000+)? times and bam 100% chaance to do 9999 damage (only other skill like this is Freyas Dragons Breath skill).
If you steal as much as you can till this point should be doing around 3k-4k per use. Yeah it's no charge from Steiner (endgame that shits OP if you don't mind your party being in the yellow )
cavemancolton
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Donald.
shark sandwich
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She was weaker than Chrono, Lucca, and Magus in terms of magic damage output.