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Destiny: Exotic weapons fixed.... and then broken.
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WadiumArcadium
Member
Urgh. Why!? It was enough of a grind upgrading them in the first place.
only primary raid weapons are in HM
Lone Wolf
Member
Exactly, and Destiny does not have enough content to grind these weapons all over again, in addition to new ones.
Have you ignored what I've been saying? YOU CAN KEEP YOUR GEAR AT 300 IF YOU WANT. DO NOT UPGRADE IT TO 302/320 UNLESS YOU'RE USING IT IN THE RAID.
Maxed out weapons are currently 300. There is no difference for the new Nightfall between a 300 weapon and a 320 weapon. They both perform the same.
benicillin
Banned
Primary weapons. Just like the primary weapons that only drop in raid mode on hard now.
Sola Scriptura
Member
This is exactly correct. If this is the true nature of their plans for upgrades, then we all most certainly have the right to be up in arms.
Anton Sugar
Member
There are like a million better ways they could have handled this, I'm legit shocked this is their conclusion.
Omnipunctual Godot
Gold Member
I'm so out of this game. Absolutely ridiculous.
Ever see the movie Cube? Imagine if every room in the Cube was a different type of Skinner box. That's Destiny and it's designed to meter out reinforcement through rewards and filling bars in the most basic way possible.
Because they want to habitually line step on what is acceptable to keep you playing, and paying, for as long as possible.
They just found out that they crossed the line for many.
Sola Scriptura
Member
Can we all agree at this point that Bungie bit off more than it could chew with attempting a FPS MMO? They should have had an entire team full of people who had years of experience working on MMOs.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
It seems that Blizzard is the only one that knows what content is. Levelling your character? That's part of the game, sure. However at the end of the game, you stop the levelling-you start doing what you want to do unhindered. You want to raid? Go do it! You can do dungeons for gear and gold, but you don't have to upgrade that gear through individual levels, it's good to go to the start! You got a trinket with a passive effect? You don't have to level it for 5 hours before you get that passive affect, it's available from the get go!
And Blizzard doesn't force you each Raid tier/Patch to make you regrind everything again. You get to do it from the get go. We're going to unlock a new raid in a months time! And you wont' have to relevel all your gear to do it!
People need to do what Blizzard is doing. Not what they have done, not what they might do, but what they're actively doing.
So you've played the new Nightfall? Can I borrow your time machine? I certainly don't trust what Bungie is saying. Why are you?
Why make it Xur determine which exotics we can upgrade to the new version? Especially since he is able to sell exotics he won't upgrade. In the picture you linked, I can see that Xur is selling a Lucky Raspberry but I can't upgrade it.
I initially thought you could upgrade anything as long as you had 7k glimmer. Now I am really saying "fuck this".
I initially thought you could upgrade anything as long as you had 7k glimmer. Now I am really saying "fuck this".
The raid isn't the whole game man. I know I mentioned it as my focus, but I do enjoy PvP, including iron banner, and strikes with friends. Some of the other weapons are situational and I'd rather have them handy. Ghorning everything tends to get boring.
Just not having things handy like usual will be annoying.
Without putting words in peoples mouth, surely the outrage is coming from the fact that it seems nothing is sacred?, the goalposts can, and will be moved at Bungies will?
Ryouji Gunblade
Member
There are worse ways too. Like requiring Legendary upgrade materials and starting you off at the beginning attack. Or even worse, making your weapon unable to be upgraded. They don't do these though. It's just more glimmer and experience with strange coins at the end. I much prefer the new way to the old way.
My solution for this would be to allow legendaries to be upgraded but reset since you can level those relatively quickly while exotics can be upgraded and retain progress. This will allow players to retain their gear and explore new content while still having to work to get the more common items up to snuff without losing progress on the rarest items. The precedent this sets for future expansions is awful.
Square-Enix is no slouch either with regards to content for their main online game. FFXIV: ARR's next ACTUAL expansion even has a whole new region for level 50 players.
Do you not understand how Destiny works? Enemy level is 30 in the Nightfall. Your maxed gun does 300 "damage". Since you are both the same level, there is no penalty. If your gun was 280 you would be doing less damage to level 30s, but the same damage to level 28s.
The cost isn't worth though, especially when the DLC isn't adding a ton of new content to beginning with, especially if you're not on Playstation.
The Commendation stuff is unbelievably stupid, and is only there so because that have been playing this whole time and already have a ton of marks and rep just can't buy the gear right away.
I honestly would expect that from a online only game. The hitboxes changed after patches in sf4 several times. This isn't the ps1 era where I expect things to stay static the entire life of the game.
I've been saying this to my clan mates for weeks now.
sturgboski
Member
So when is the cash shop to buy exotic shards and xp/rep gains coming? It seems that is what this is all building toward.
Deej, if you would please answer me one question just so I can be completely clear.
If I head over to Xur to upgrade one of my current exotics and my progress gets reset but I have a new and improved weapon/gear... Upon this reset how much experience is required to fuly level up my new weapon or piece of gear.
As it stands, it is 212,500 experience to fully level an exotic weapon. IMO that is too much. Will this amount be lowered in the expansion? It's not the materials that bother me it's the amount of time put in to actually get this amount of experience.
It took a long time to upgrade my current exotics and legendaries. I'd like to think it won't take that long again.
They're just very aware that they're releasing a $20 expansion that doesn't include close to $20 in content, so they're making the grind longer to compensate. Bungie are the new kings of artificial content. Can't wait until the third expansion to level my exotics for a third time!
Er can we only upgrade what xur is currently selling or does xur sell an item we need to upgrade exotics and we need him to turn it in, regardless of his current stock?
Seriously. They're making it way too complicated.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Hey, at least when you get the 10th raid shotgun again, you can get something out of it!
Anton Sugar
Member
Well sure, if it's a choice between this and smearing shit all over my exotic, I'll choose this. That's not worth of commendation, though.
Exactly. Upgrading your character/weapon is a fun gameplay mechanic, but it's not (or shouldn't be) the content that keeps you playing.
People who have poured hours into leveling a weapon get the same benefit as those who have the same weapon, and never used it.
Sounds heaps cool.
Wait, what?
No... what?
WHAT!?!
I always wondered, "wtf is the point of rank?" This is how they give it a point!?!
It's like Bungie has never made a game before. I mean, sure, it's their first MMO-style game, but good shitanyone with half a brain could tell you adding this much complexity is a terrible, terrible idea.
NullPointer
Member
Not sure if I understand whats happening here.
So you now have the option to upgrade your exotics - BUT - is it the same cost and end result if you pay to upgrade a brand new exotic as it is to upgrade a fully perked out exotic of the same model? If so, that's insane. If not, I don't see the issue.
So you now have the option to upgrade your exotics - BUT - is it the same cost and end result if you pay to upgrade a brand new exotic as it is to upgrade a fully perked out exotic of the same model? If so, that's insane. If not, I don't see the issue.
I won't argue with your disheartenment*. If that's your reaction, I'll pass it along. (Although, who am I kidding? This is GAF, and people are reading this thread as I type.)
The facts I can provide are that we've tried to speed up the path to upgrading weapons by removing the need for Ascendant Materials.
*Is that a word?
BreezyLimbo
Banned
....But you do realize that Level 30s scale up in health and resistance, yes? You may do the same damage to both a level 28 and a level 30, but it'll be alot weaker than what it *CAN* do, and that only requires you to regrind everything again. Or did you think the enemies in the level 30 Nightfall would have the same health/resistance as the ones in the level 28 one?
Besides, are you going to be here excusing them when they raise the level cap to 32? If it's not plain then that your weapon won't keep up, then I don't know what to tell you.
yup, I don't think even many Destiny players know this
This is what I'd like to know. If the XP required to level up an exotic is lower now, then that's not as bad. As it stands now it's too high and it's taken me weeks at a time to max out some exotics.
MR BLACKMAGIK
Member
I just want to know if the DLC will have new achievement/trophies. Bungie seem to be dodging this question.
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
Thank you so much Dragon Age for delivering me from this evil.
Xur will sell A B C exotics.
Xur will upgrade V W X Y Z exotics.
Have exotics D E F? Hope he upgrades them next week.
LastGamer84
Member
Not really seeing the problem - but then again I never had a problem leveling weapons or getting materials
7000 glimmer? Oh no, I might have to actually use a glimmer item on a heroic- less than a day to max this out on one character.
2 Exotic Shards - I have ten exotics - and no I don't play hardcore, I've just learned how to save up and buy only what I want from Xur. Not to mention you can buy these from Xur now for 7 strange coins I believe.
As far as leveling the weapon again, why do people think we have ten bounties now? Do those, plus Daily Story, plus Weekly - you'll have the armor or weapon leveled by half in one day.
I'm about as casual as you get with this game, I only play with friends, haven't beaten the raid (one or two bosses glitching) and I expect to have my Last Word, Ice Breaker, and Alpha Lupi traded in and leveled up without issue in a day or so.
Not to mention the fact that if you DON'T want to upgrade your old gear, you don't have to. There will be new strikes and missions to get new legendaries which will put your old gear to shame. If people haven't figured out by now what this game is then by all means, go play something else.
That being said, damn Bungie, put a leash on your PR before he incites a riot.
7000 glimmer? Oh no, I might have to actually use a glimmer item on a heroic- less than a day to max this out on one character.
2 Exotic Shards - I have ten exotics - and no I don't play hardcore, I've just learned how to save up and buy only what I want from Xur. Not to mention you can buy these from Xur now for 7 strange coins I believe.
As far as leveling the weapon again, why do people think we have ten bounties now? Do those, plus Daily Story, plus Weekly - you'll have the armor or weapon leveled by half in one day.
I'm about as casual as you get with this game, I only play with friends, haven't beaten the raid (one or two bosses glitching) and I expect to have my Last Word, Ice Breaker, and Alpha Lupi traded in and leveled up without issue in a day or so.
Not to mention the fact that if you DON'T want to upgrade your old gear, you don't have to. There will be new strikes and missions to get new legendaries which will put your old gear to shame. If people haven't figured out by now what this game is then by all means, go play something else.
That being said, damn Bungie, put a leash on your PR before he incites a riot.
Hidden One
Member
Ok the guy that made that video was right. They will find ways to try and make people play longer and not move to other games aka grind grind grind grind. Fuck that shit. I wouldn't complain if this game had alot of content but it doesn't. I wonder how many people still play for like 3 hours a day like they were touting about back after release.
I understand what you are saying, but I can't play something that will take something I've sunk hundreds of hours of work into and trivialize it in such a way that that work becomes irrelevant at the swipe of a key from god.
I would always have the thought that the hours and hours of farming and leveling could be rendered useless at any time.
That said, I am sure there is a portion of the user base that would view that as a drive to keep playing, and these are probably the type of gamer Bungie are aiming for.
I am glad I dipped out of Destiny when I did.