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[StrongBlackVine]

My concerns aren't so much about the narrative/gameplay ratio directly, because it could very well deliver a great first time experience. My concerns are rather the effects that this is going to have on replayability. As a single player only game, I feel that just having a good story the first time through isn't good enough - the game has to remain fun on the Nth playthrough to justify itself. I've replayed The Last of Us twice, and even though I love the game, I get a little bored in some of the "walk and talk" sections, because the game forces you to walk slow so that the characters can deliver the dialogue. Those sections are about five minutes long, and TLOU has a complete multiplayer mode to back to up. These hands-on impressions with The Order talking about unskippable segments of 15-20 minutes of non-gameplay are setting off alarm bells. That sounds boring on the first playthrough, let alone the 5th.

Wolfenstein did the impossible and made a single-player only first person shooter that was absolutely worth the price tag. I've replayed it once, and I'm looking forward to another go-round soon for the trophies. It works so damn well because it got the hell out of the way and let the player play the game. The Order seems to not be doing that. They better unlock something more than just "New Game+" when its done, because if their idea of "replayability" is just shooting enemies that are more bullet-spongey while still sitting through the same 15 minute non-interactive "walk and talks", then I'm out.

If a game doesn't have replay value then sell it after you finish. Never understood this complaint.

 

[nelsonroyale]

laa-yosh from beyond3d ( i think this guy works in the industry of cg movie i'm not sure) but he wrote that the order gameplay and cinematics are night and day in difference (in uncharted 4 thread)...O_O I'm blind, i can't see it!

I am pretty sure the game doesn't switch ToD when going from cutscene to gameplay seemlessly, so I think he is mistaken.

 

[MormaPope]

Seems like you described pretty much every third person shooter ever made. Outside of some zany/crazy games like Vanquish, this descriptions fits some of the highest rated TPS ever made: Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter, Gears of War Trilogy, etc. Seems like your not a fan of the straight up third person shooter genre and may want a third person camera in an open world like GTA or a third person RPG like mass effect, which this game is not and will not be for you.

Binary Domain, Dead Space, Max Payne 3, Resident Evil 4 & 5 & 6, Earth Defense Force 2017 & 2025, these are games and franchises that try to mix up the third person shooter formula. Binary Domain had enemies that get ripped apart and continue to fight, along with excellent boss battles and a squad morale mechanic. Dead Space had unique weapons and puzzles, Max Payne 3 prioritized realistic movement and damage, the modern Resident Evil franchise prioritized combat mechanics and co-op, Earth Defense Force is balls to the wall action every second.

The Order is on some Kane and Lynch 2 shit when it comes to moment to moment combat, except Kane and Lynch 2 was a lot faster.

 

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[AlphaK]

Generic, bland, boring.

Spoiler

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[EmptySpace]

laa-yosh from beyond3d ( i think this guy works in the industry of cg movie i'm not sure) but he wrote that the order gameplay and cinematics are night and day in difference (in uncharted 4 thread)...O_O I'm blind, i can't see it!

rad already said their engine doesn't support video and everything runs in real-time.

i am guessing uncharted will be the same.

last gen, video files took up way too much space.

 

[freakzilla3000]

Looks like it's coming along very nicely. I am impressed with where this game is going.... HOPEFULLY it will be great when it's released.

 

[Comfort Jones]

Binary Domain, Dead Space, Max Payne 3, Resident Evil 4 & 5 & 6, Earth Defense Force 2017 & 2025, these are games and franchises that try to mix up the third person shooter formula. Binary Domain had enemies that get ripped apart and continue to fight, along with excellent boss battles and a squad morale mechanic. Dead Space had unique weapons and puzzles, Max Payne 3 prioritized realistic movement and damage, the modern Resident Evil franchise prioritized combat mechanics and co-op, Earth Defense Force is balls to the wall action every second.

The Order is on some Kane and Lynch 2 shit when it comes to moment to moment combat, except Kane and Lynch 2 was a lot faster.

The argument people will use against this is most of the enemies in those games don't shoot at you, as if that excuses the health system, level design, or ai.

Cuz omg it's so pretty guys.

 

[D1renegade]

That shotgun is incredible

 

[Pimpwerx]

Is this game supposed to have 4 player co-op? I'm trying to figure out why there's 4 of these knights if not to allow some 4 player co-op. My Destiny raid group is talking about getting this game. PEACE.

 

[OsirisBlack]

Binary Domain, Dead Space, Max Payne 3, Resident Evil 4 & 5 & 6, Earth Defense Force 2017 & 2025, these are games and franchises that try to mix up the third person shooter formula. Binary Domain had enemies that get ripped apart and continue to fight, along with excellent boss battles and a squad morale mechanic. Dead Space had unique weapons and puzzles, Max Payne 3 prioritized realistic movement and damage, the modern Resident Evil franchise prioritized combat mechanics and co-op, Earth Defense Force is balls to the wall action every second.

The Order is on some Kane and Lynch 2 shit when it comes to moment to moment combat, except Kane and Lynch 2 was a lot faster.

If Ru was being straight up and this is actually player controlled combat then the Order is doing something different as this looks completely badass. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9MBIyaAC2k

 

[luca_29_bg]

I am pretty sure the game doesn't switch ToD when going from cutscene to gameplay seemlessly, so I think he is mistaken.

yeah i don't understand, maybe he is referring to quality about shaders, effects or something like this, that are different in gameplay ? I don't know!

 

[MormaPope]

The argument people will use against this is most of the enemies in those games don't shoot at you, as if that excuses the health system, level design, or ai.

Cuz omg it's so pretty guys.

That would be a lame ass argument.

Is this game supposed to have 4 player co-op? I'm trying to figure out why there's 4 of these knights if not to allow some 4 player co-op. My Destiny raid group is talking about getting this game. PEACE.

99% sure its single player only.

 

[luca_29_bg]

rad already said their engine doesn't support video and everything runs in real-time.

i am guessing uncharted will be the same.

last gen, video files took up way too much space.

i know this story, but i can't see any difference from myself between cinematics and gameplay!

 

[Comfort Jones]

That would be a lame ass argument.

Not much worse than "that's just the genre". Anything to deflect any points people are making!

 

[EmptySpace]

 

[OsirisBlack]

Just noticed the wind affecting his hair..... just damn.

 

[travisbickle]

Binary Domain, Dead Space, Max Payne 3, Resident Evil 4 & 5 & 6, Earth Defense Force 2017 & 2025, these are games and franchises that try to mix up the third person shooter formula. Binary Domain had enemies that get ripped apart and continue to fight, along with excellent boss battles and a squad morale mechanic. Dead Space had unique weapons and puzzles, Max Payne 3 prioritized realistic movement and damage, the modern Resident Evil franchise prioritized combat mechanics and co-op, Earth Defense Force is balls to the wall action every second.

The Order is on some Kane and Lynch 2 shit when it comes to moment to moment combat, except Kane and Lynch 2 was a lot faster.

The game has werewolves and alternative world weaponry made Nikola Tesla.

 

[MormaPope]

The game has werewolves and alternative world weaponry made Nikola Tesla.

Shit, Armed and Dangerous had a shark gun and a weapon that turned the entire world upside down.

 

[Comfort Jones]

The game has werewolves and alternative world weaponry made Nikola Tesla.

And somehow this isn't stopping the game from looking a lot really generic gameplay wise.

You can keep bringing up werewolves and all that other shit but it's still all just a shallow attempt at originality when everything they've ACTUALLY SHOWN just looks like a boring regen health shooter.

 

[ZehDon]

If a game doesn't have replay value then sell it after you finish. Never understood this complaint.

Do you buy a full priced Blu-Ray of a film you're only half-interested in, and then sell it after one viewing for half-price? Because that's essentially what you're telling me to do here, only with a AU$100.00 video game.

 

[UnluckyKate]

I completely agree.

The graphics look unbelievable, but everything else (of what little they've shown) looks like it just isn't coming together. The setting and plot is unique so I'm still interested in the title, but it really does look like a broken Gears of War game. The camera looks too pulled-in, all of the guns seem to suffer from reload-itis, the melee seems rudimentary and uninspired, the characters' fighting alongside you seem like they need to spend more time at the gun range, the list goes on. It's been a slow and gradual realization that the gameplay needs a lot more time in the kitchen.

Frankly, I'd be genuinely surprised if the show floor impressions are positive. I'm pulling for the developers because they really need to breakout from the "PSP port guys" label, but I fear that The Order might not be the title that does it for them. It would suck to spend years working and succeeding on another developer's IP, only to create your own and have it fail.

Dude, it's 1866. They were shooting muskets back then. It's an alternative universe so they have better guns but it's no 21st century gun tech and recoil management. What did you expect ? It look and sound quircky on purpose. It's steampunk. Guns should look massive, they should feel like they will do massive damage and they do on screen : it's call visual feedback. They way hit response work, the way it blows the scene, the way smoke and sparks shows after every pellet hitting an object.

I find the guns looking and sounding amazingly satisfying. I love games where you can actually feel weight and power through recoil and feedback. Like in Killzone 2 for example. This looks just as brutal

 

[brickarts295]

Okay at this point, the only thing that could save this game, is a damn good story. If it worked for Gone Home it'll work for this one.

 

[backbreaker65]

You do know he's in "black blood" mode right. Which means better focus and time slowed, but it comes with a price on the health side.

 

[Acquiescence]

Pfft, boring. You see that sort of thing in video games all the time.

 

[PBY]

Pfft, boring. You see that sort of thing in video games all the time.

No ones denying it's beautiful.

 

[clutch.as.it.gets.]

Very disappointed with this game. Always hoped for the best but im giving up now. This game is just not for me. Way too non interactive for my liking and the little gameplay that is there is just meh.

 

[Zolf]

That kitchen segment looked awesome, and the guns seemed interesting and effective.

 

[geordiemp]

Looks like gears with good graphics and missing the muscles.

That is OK with me, Gears was OK....

Not a fan of any QTE but will see, worked ok now and again in TLOU...

Doubt it will reach TLOU standard though

 

[Ellite25]

Lol peoples' reactions to this game amaze me. Generic, boring, uninspired, etc., we've seen hardly any of the game. Im sure you could find segments of shooting in any TPS that you could label all of those things. It's just dumb, it seems like people are hating just for the sake of hating.

 

[Stripper13]

That was great. Love the setting. Gameplay is looking very solid, and I liked the look of that auto aim ability.

 

[Dave_6]

Those shotgun blasts look incredibly satisfying. Good stuff!

 

[MormaPope]

Pfft, boring. You see that sort of thing in video games all the time.

I don't even know the context of this snarkiness. Not many people would argue that the game isn't pretty. If we're now arguing if stunning viewpoints amount to why we should play the game then that's a new argument I guess.

 

[Acquiescence]

No ones denying it's beautiful.

That catch-all criticism "generic" is getting some use though, when that gif suggests it's anything but generic.

 

[PBY]

That catch-all criticism "generic" is getting some use though, when that gif suggests it's anything but generic.

People are referring to the parts you play.

 

[Trojan]

The shotgun damage was neat.

The game looks like crap though. Jesus. They had more than enough chances, and it still looks like absolute garbage.

I don't wanna shit the thread though, if people are happy with this game, more power to them, I'm leaving.

2/10...great way to shit in a thread but pretend like you're not shitting in a thread.

 

[XxRampage07xX]

1080p kitchen gameplay
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFyoHXLu3zM

Huh this playthough is different.

Holy shit! Half of that guy's body is blown away :0

 

[Vire]

Shame that they aren't releasing the rest of the demo to the public. I think the rest of the air ship stuff looks spectacular. Instead we get to see the inside of a kitchen.

oh boy.

 

[thuway]

This game is the continual butt of all jokes, and it's all because they cannot figure out a way to give consumers a decent look at the game without cutting away or some random tom fuckery.

I was hyped like no other for this game- than the conferene happened.

I didn't care anymore, until I saw that IGN video. What are you doing Ready at Dawn? Who is in charge of this absolutely borderline STUPID decision to not show off a steady, long shot of the GAME.

 

[Galacticus]

I'm sort of puzzled by the people saying the gameplay doesn't look fun... Why exactly are you saying this?

It's got all the right elements for an enjoyable third person action shooters, for people that enjoy third person shooters. The icing is that it looks incredible and the guns have serious heft.

 

[Messofanego]

What were they thinking showing gameplay in a boring, dull kitchen???

In an airship tho lol



In fairness, the framerate is much better than previous demos and there seems to be more impact on hit reactions.

 

[krypt0nian]

Kitchen fight redeemed this for me. Combat looks ace.

 

[msdstc]

And somehow this isn't stopping the game from looking a lot really generic gameplay wise.

You can keep bringing up werewolves and all that other shit but it's still all just a shallow attempt at originality when everything they've ACTUALLY SHOWN just looks like a boring regen health shooter.

Just wondering, what TPS do you like?

 

[RoboPlato]

Previews and impressions from the show sound really good. I can't watch much more than gifs since I'm stuck on my phone all weekend but I'm glad to hear the shooting packs a punch.

 

[NoctisVsStar]

This game is the continual butt of all jokes, and it's all because they cannot figure out a way to give consumers a decent look at the game without cutting away or some random tom fuckery.

I was hyped like no other for this game- than the conferene happened.

I didn't care anymore, until I saw that IGN video. What are you doing Ready at Dawn? Who is in charge of this absolutely borderline STUPID decision to not show off a steady, long shot of the GAME.

To be honest this game and DC lost it's window of opportunity to shine and that was when the Ps4 launched no one in their right mind will say day1 now it's more like "well In a couple of months ill check it out"

The problem is that game seems to have short burst of gameplay and then it jumps to the cinematic, I feel you never quite in control.

 

[EmptySpace]

This game is the continual butt of all jokes, and it's all because they cannot figure out a way to give consumers a decent look at the game without cutting away or some random tom fuckery.

I was hyped like no other for this game- than the conferene happened.

I didn't care anymore, until I saw that IGN video. What are you doing Ready at Dawn? Who is in charge of this absolutely borderline STUPID decision to not show off a steady, long shot of the GAME.

well ff7 had to be announced. ahahha.

seriously though, we know there's a 30-min demo and obviously it was cut short to fit the presentation. uc4 had the luxury to show off 15 minutes while the order had to do with 2 minutes. they can show off everything that uc4 did within that short a time span.

 

[eshwaaz]

Certainly looks gorgeous. Audio-wise, though, it has one of my biggest gaming peeves. Bodies, weapons, etc. make no sound then they impact the ground or objects. There's a part where an enemy rifle flies into the air and hits a table then the floor when it falls, and it doesn't make a sound. Really hurts any sense of mass.

 

[RiZ III]

Looks incredible. The camera work is giving me motion sickness though. Too much shaking going on during the action sequences.

 

[infiniteheteroskdasticity]

Looks like a better version of Gears of War which I have absolutely zero problems with (I don't care about MP). The setting and the graphics are great as always and the gunplay looks super solid. Love the fact that the shotgun actually seems to have a useful spread. The hate this game seems to get around here is hilarious. Its obviously because its an exclusive. The same thing happened with Sunset Overdrive (maybe to a lesser extent).

 

[neogaffer1]

Lol peoples' reactions to this game amaze me. Generic, boring, uninspired, etc., we've seen hardly any of the game. Im sure you could find segments of shooting in any TPS that you could label all of those things. It's just dumb, it seems like people are hating just for the sake of hating.

Yeah, but its not like other TPS only show off those types of segments as some of the best parts of the game (which a gameplay trailer is supposed to be--the very best of the game aimed at driving hype and sales).