Forbes CONTRIBUTOR, chief. They're basically bloggers and freelancers using the Forbes name.
This guy's opinion means basically nothing.
So this article by a random Forbes Contributor is BS because the current hardware already supports 4k output for video, meaning new hardware won't be required.
I really wish Forbes Contributor articles were banned here, nothing good ever comes of it.
Most Blu-ray movies are on two layers period, and bitrate peaks well, well above 22Mbit/s whether there's a bunch of extras packed on the movie disc or not.When was the last time you saw Blu-Ray on two layers that just had a movie and menu? Most Blu-Rays on 2 layers are 3D, 3 hours+ or come with commentary, behind the scenes and other fluff.
This man is not Forbes, and his opinions here carry virtually no weight. I've never even heard of the magazine he was affiliated with. What was it's circulation? What was it's reputation? Who else wrote for them? Nobody knows.
No, it means that the Forbes Contributor who contributed this blog post is clueless.
No, it means that the Forbes Contributor who contributed this blog post is clueless.
I'm amazed that netflix et al are still even bothering with HDCP. Both previous versions were cracked in weeks or maybe a few months, and I doubt 2.2 is going to last long either. It was a stupid idea from the start, anyway..
THIS ARTICLE IS NOT AN OPINION PIECE. The contributor on Forbes is reporting on an interview with Netflix staff.
Did someone post the video where major nelson unboxes the xbox one showing the hdmi that supports 4k yet?...
This is just weird to me. Lol
I was under the impression that it had been said prior to the launch of the PS4 that it was capable of 4K Video Playback, just not 4K gaming. Was this not upheld?
EDIT:
Yeah, here's the link
http://www.techradar.com/us/news/ga...video-output-on-ps4-but-not-for-games-1132919
In an interview, Sony President of Worldwide Studios Shuhei Yoshida confirmed that the PlayStation 4 announced Wednesday night is capable of displaying what's known as 4K video output, but only for content that supports it.
So it's an article about someone elses opinion. The opinion of a person who is not an employee of either of the companies who created the hardware in question and thus has no actual first hand knowledge.
Reality is that this opinion directly contradicts wha Yoshida said.
Reality is that this opinion directly contradicts what Yoshida said.
Feature-proved" means they have a list of coming features with the hardware designed/proved to be able to support those features.“We’re looking at 2015. Our concentration is going to be around continuing to provide two things. One is, from a hardware standpoint, we want to continue to innovate across the hardware. There are lots more features and benefits we can pull out of the PlayStation 4 hardware. It’s pretty well feature-proved to allow us to do that. We’ll continue to execute on that.”
3) A quad layer blu-ray drive + HEVC codec is needed for 4K blu-ray and modern blu-ray drives support quad layer.
So are you sure HDCP 2.2 can be done in software? Are you saying it will be cracked, and then Sony can implement the crack in software to act as if it's compliant?The Netflix guy is clueless or there is a disconnect.
AMD's Kaveri supports HEVC with a Xtensa DPU (Software based with Xtensa accelerators). Both the PS4 and XB1 contain Xtensa DPUs. Firmware update is all that is required. Kaveri will support HEVC with Windows 10 at LOW POWER levels.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=916219
1)The difference between HDMI 1.4 and 2.0 which supports 4K @ 60Hz is a faster clock.
2)For the PS4, HDCP will be software based using a Xtensa DPU in Southbridge because it will eventually be cracked and a new revision released.
3) A quad layer blu-ray drive + HEVC codec is needed for 4K blu-ray and modern blu-ray drives support quad layer.
Firmware update schedule.
Forbes said:You can deliver 4K video and high-resolution sound via the latest generation of USB ports; this is the way Samsungs UHD movie server connects to its current TVs, in fact. But people now expect HDMI to be their main TV connection, and theres no particularly massive cost implication with using HDMI 2.0 ports over 1.4 versions these days.
I'm amazed that netflix et al are still even bothering with HDCP. Both previous versions were cracked in weeks or maybe a few months, and I doubt 2.2 is going to last long either. It was a stupid idea from the start, anyway..
TEE level DRM requires all IO in the same SOC and everything encrypted from source to sink. The media stream comes into southbridge as a Playready encrypted stream and leaves Southbridge as a HDCP encrypted stream. The PS4 Southbridge fits this description of a Tee Level DRM. HDCP for the HDMI port would take place in Southbridge...this is the best DRM practice.So are you sure HDCP 2.2 can be done in software? Are you saying it will be cracked, and then Sony can implement the crack in software to act as if it's compliant?
Rigby saves the day, I can sleep now thank you.The Netflix guy is clueless or there is a disconnect.
AMD's Kaveri supports HEVC with a Xtensa DPU (Software based with Xtensa accelerators). Both the PS4 and XB1 contain Xtensa DPUs. Firmware update is all that is required. Kaveri will support HEVC with Windows 10 at LOW POWER levels.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=916219
1)The difference between HDMI 1.4 and 2.0 which supports 4K @ 60Hz is a faster clock.
2)For the PS4, HDCP will be software based using a Xtensa DPU in Southbridge because it will eventually be cracked and a new revision released.
3) A quad layer blu-ray drive + HEVC codec is needed for 4K blu-ray and modern blu-ray drives support quad layer.
Firmware update schedule.
Feature-proved"[/B] means they have a list of coming features with the hardware designed/proved to be able to support those features.
RE: All newer blu-ray drives support 4 layer disks. There is a patent from Sony describing how they might implement 4K blu-ray and the issue is that older drives can support it and that creates DRM issues. Their fix is to invert the track info on 4 K disks so older drives can't support 4K but can still support standard blu-ray..4K Blu-Ray will use new Ultra HD Blu-Ray format. Current drives are not compatible.
RE: All newer blu-ray drives support 4 layer disks. There is a patent from Sony describing how they might implement 4K blu-ray and the issue is that older drives can support it and that creates DRM issues. Their fix is to invert the track info on 4 K disks so older drives can't support 4K but can still support standard blu-ray..
The Netflix guy is clueless or there is a disconnect.
1)The difference between HDMI 1.4 and 2.0 which supports 4K @ 60Hz is a faster clock.
2)For the PS4, HDCP will be software based using a Xtensa DPU in Southbridge because it will eventually be cracked and a new revision released.
3) A quad layer blu-ray drive + HEVC codec is needed for 4K blu-ray and modern blu-ray drives support quad layer.
Big lol at mocoworm...This isn't an opinion piece. Have you read the article or the OP?
It is reporting on Netflix Chief Product Officer predicting that this will happen. What has this got to do with the blog post author??
He goes on to say he contacted both MS and SONY and posts their replies. He also talks about in what situations new hardware would be necessary (newer decryption), and adds a little 'what if' at the end.
Why are some people trying to straw man this thread instead of discussing the Netfix prediction?
Once again, THIS ARTICLE IS NOT AN OPINION PIECE. The contributor on Forbes is reporting on an interview with Netflix staff.
4K streaming is not encoded with the same codecs used for 2K.
Panasonic showed that with a firmware update most 25GB/layer blu-ray drives could support 33GB/layer. The rumors were using either a Quad layer disk or 3 33GB layers and all modern drives can support both. Edit: the standard will be which is easier to produce as reading has no cost difference.Point 1 and 2 OK but Blu-ray 4K cannot be supported: it is supposed to be using 33GB/Layer with Triple Layer Disc (100 GB Disc)
Standard Blu-ray drives use 25GB/Layer
Blu-ray Disc4K Blu-ray is officially on the way. According to Victor Matsuda, Chairman of the Blu-ray Disc Association Global Promotions Committee, the BDA expects the specs for 4K Blu-ray to be finalized in the first half of 2015, paving the way for commercial availability by the end of the year. This means we can expect to see actual 4K Blu-ray movies and players available in stores by Christmas next year.
Apart from the jump to 4K resolution (3840 × 2160p) we can also expect 4K Blu-ray to support higher frame rates (up to 60fps), an expanded color gamut along with high dynamic range (HDR), as well as HEVC/H.265 encoding to compress 4K movies more efficiently and allow for higher bit rates. The group is currently exploring the possibility of increasing the disc capacity to 66GB or 100GB.
http://www.ign.com/wikis/playstation-4/3D_Technology_and_4K_Resolution said:The PS4 will be enabled for 4K resolution for videos, the interface, and movies through Hulu or Netflix, but it will not have the capability to display games in 4K.
In the same interview where Yoshida revealed more about the PS4's 3D capabilities he also stated:
"The PS4 supports 4K output, but only for photos and videos; not games. PS4 games do not work on 4K."
http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/130567-amazon-prime-instant-video-to-stream-in-4k-from-october said:Amazon Prime Instant Video to stream in 4K from October
Amazon will begin streaming in 4K according to a Samsung release that let the cat out of the bag.
Samsung sent out a release that said its 4K UHD TV line would largely be able to support Amazon's Prime Instant Video UHD streaming service. The Samsung TVs in question are due to go on sale in October suggesting Amazon's 4K stream will be up and running by then.
Amazon Prime Instant Video marketing director Russell Morris stated recently that the company would be streaming in 4K at some point this year.
By the time 4k is mainstream, there will be new consoles...no?
Perhaps they could also get some simple 2D indie games to run at that resolution.
This has nothing to do with performance, only the ability to output 4K content. Every PS4 has the technical capability to do whatever 4K content that will be managed in the GPU/CPU and other components, just not the right back HDMI port and decryption software to do so.