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[Cuburt]

A real shame there's no bots, I always hope shooters have them as I don't play online much at all. Not sure I'll be getting this now.

Given that this seems to be talking about random online matchmaking for many of the bulletpoints and not much details on other modes, I'm not sure it means no bots at all, just no bots in place of real live players in online games.

I'm assuming if they are making local multiplayer, playing with your friends against the CPU will likely be a choice.

It also has a single player hero mode as well.

 

[StreetsAhead]

We don't know. This is only a brief snippet of information not even direct from the source.

Yeah this is 3rd hand, translated information from a summary of article. As I said earlier, sinobi will sometimes use strange wording, miss context, or just leave out details when writing his/her blog. Not to fault them, of course, but it does mean a pinch of salt is required until will have more direct or indirect confirmations.

they should not have talked about' it tho
what gaf don't know can't hurt em'

It was probably something they were asked (that bit is specificed to have come from the interview with the producer/directors). I feel like 'Ok, so no communication, but can you give orders? Did you think about doing something like that?' is a reasonable line of questioning.

What they shouldn't have talked about is how the prototype was considered for use with the Mario IP so the hypothetical angry Mario fans in my head wouldn't get all hot and bothered every time Splatoon is mentioned.

 

[espher]

Quick voice commands + friends-based voice chat would be enough.

Hell, just the quick voice commands would be enough. Attack here, defend here, need help here, wait here, etc. I can use Skype or TS or Vent or Mumble when playing w/ a group like I do when PC gaming.

 

[Sylverstone14]

Seriously? No voice chat?
It makes things much more interesting in team&class-based shooters like Team Fortress 2.

- No communication with players you are matched with

 

[xaszatm]

- No communication with players you are matched with

It's like people are unable to read to the end of the bloody sentence.

 

[Smiles and Cries]

Yeah this is 3rd hand, translated information from a summary of article. As I said earlier, sinobi will sometimes use strange wording, miss context, or just leave out details when writing his/her blog. Not to fault them, of course, but it does mean a pinch of salt is required until will have more direct or indirect confirmations.



It was probably something they were asked (that bit is specificed to have come from the interview with the producer/directors). I feel like 'Ok, so no communication, but can you give orders? Did you think about doing something like that?' is a reasonable line of questioning.

What they shouldn't have talked about is how the prototype was considered for use with the Mario IP so the hypothetical angry Mario fans in my head wouldn't get all hot and bothered every time Splatoon is mentioned.

Mario IP?

BOOOOO BOOOOO

yes they should not talk about that Splatoon will sell less but I respect this game more for not being Mario Shoots Ink

 

[G.ZZZ]

No communication is good, it's only used for salt and abuse anyway. Give me friend voice chat and i'm ok.

 

[wildfire]

Bots suck but waiting 3+ minutes is objectively worse.

Nintendo better allow people to play a second game or the single player campaign/hero mode on the tablet.

Hero mode in general sounds cool.

 

[Geg]

No communication is good, it's only used for salt and abuse anyway. Give me friend voice chat and i'm ok.

I'm really kind of baffled people expected and wanted it. I can't imagine how awful the online would be in Smash if there were voice chat

 

[Fandangox]

I don't worry about 8 players I worry about a player getting disconnected mid-match

ugh the dream was so real before reality hit damn

Didn't think about that actually.. Maybe they will have bots only for that situation? Smash 4 does it, I think.

It's not an issue, Splinter Cell Blacklist, a WiiU game that sold like complete shit, has that and it's mp is still very healthy, add to that the fact that this will be a more straightforward games in terms of modes, so population won't spread too much around

Well at least that's reassuring.

 

[TheSlySoul]

-Game won't use CPU fighters; only once 8 human players have been found will a match start
-No communication with players you are matched with
-No money can be earned in Hero Mode. Your points, as displayed at the end of the match, are turned into money and experience points.

Ugh, do not like the sound of that. Don't know how well a MP focused retail game will do in the market.

Edit: If they mean only no CPU to replace human players then I would be kind of OK with that. I want to practice before going online.

 

[wildfire]

No bots is fine by me.

No voice chat is incomprehensible though. Just give people the option to disable it and mute everyone if they don't want it. That's good enough.

People should be forced to opt-into voice chat not opt-out.

 

[Z3M0G]

"Random matching is done world wide"

Noooo please give me a regional option or a server browser. D:
Here come the high latency battles. This is really not good.

"No communication with players you are matched with"

I hope that means that amongst friends you can communicate.

I wouldn't expect a party option to group with friends.

Can you do it with Mario Kart? If so, then maybe.

You mark the online mode with the disclaimer "Game Experience May Change During Online Play" like everyone else and it's fine. That's what parents are there for.

That's not the Nintendo way. Look at how they filter everything across MiiVerse, and removed the doodle chat from 3DS because they couldn't filter it. If they can't guarantee filth free communication, they will not include it at all.

 

[wildfire]

You only have to turn on parental controls once.



No, I'm an adult who would like to have my experience uninterrupted because of Nintendo's fear of 'the pedos'

And what about the man babies who drool over a female voice? Or the racists complaing about Peruvians, Russians, etc.? Or how about the immature preteens?

Voice chat should be opt in only.

 

[hatchx]

So, I guess the multiplayer won't have a lot of modes.....sounds like there's only one mode?

No capture the flag, king-of-the-hill, or anything like that? There's so much possibility with possibilities.

 

[TheSlySoul]

Voice chat should be opt in only.

I think I agree with this. It should be off by default and you can turn it on.
I really like Plants vs. Zombies: Garden Warfare but sometimes you have someone with microphone turned on saying nothing and it is really distracting.

 

[Schnozberry]

That's not the Nintendo way. Look at how they filter everything across MiiVerse, and removed the doodle chat from 3DS because they couldn't filter it. If they can't guarantee filth free communication, they will not include it at all.

It's unfortunate for adults who want to talk smack, but anyone who has waded into the fetid pool of Xbox Live chat outside of private chat knows where this leads. It's an ugly situation. I can see why Nintendo takes the approach they do, even if I think they could implement it in a way that still protects kids.

 

[Foshy]

People should be forced to opt-into voice chat not opt-out.

That would be fine by me.

 

[Geg]

As far as I know, they haven't said what the options will be for playing with friends online will be right?

As far as voice chat goes, I took a look at the Japanese source text and yeah it does say specifically that there's no chat with randomly matched players, so that leaves the door open for friends.

Then again, would that mean that all friend matches would need to be with 8 mutual friends? How would that work?

 

[jimi_dini]

That's not the Nintendo way. Look at how they filter everything across MiiVerse, and removed the doodle chat from 3DS because they couldn't filter it. If they can't guarantee filth free communication, they will not include it at all.

Because they couldn't filter it?

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/new...pNote-Application-Used-By-Pedophiles-In-Japan

Two separate reports, one from the Yomuri online and another from Mainichi, have come in, each reporting a separate instance of a child predator using the Nintendo 3DS' online functionality in their crimes. This may help to explain why Nintendo unexpectedly shut down the service's online functionality earlier in the month. Nintendo cited the exchange of "offensive material" as the main reason behind the shutdown.

In the Yomuri report, two men aged 49 and 36 in Japan were recently arrested for performing "improper acts" with a 12-year-old girl on multiple occasions. The girl met both individuals through her Nintendo 3DS, though it does not specifically mention the SwapNote application.

In the Mainichi report, however, charges for child pornography were filed against a 44-year-old man who had two girls (aged 11 and 12 at the time of the incident) send him nude photographs via SwapNote, something which the man himself has confessed to.

SwapNote was abused by pedophiles. And after that they shut it down. Which to me makes sense.

Nintendo consoles and handhelds are inclusive and not only for a pubescent male demographic.

But hey sure, what's a few molested children? Getting called a n*gger* and being able to hear 15 year olds say that they fucked your mother is way more important.
Priorities.

 

[BGBW]

So, I guess the multiplayer won't have a lot of modes.....sounds like there's only one mode?

No capture the flag, king-of-the-hill, or anything like that? There's so much possibility with possibilities.

This isn't a traditional shooter so why would you expect traditional shooter modes? It's about covering the land not kill count. In some ways it already is kill of the hill.

 

[woopWOOP]

Man, 4v4 only? I'd rather have the game start a 3v3 match or even 2v2 match when there aren't a lot of people online. Waiting for 3 other players in Smash's For Fun mode already takes too long sometimes (especially when connecting players keep getting errors and the timer resets). Waiting 5+ minutes for that one remaining player is gonna suck.

 

[88Titan88]

- No communication with players you are matched with

Seeing people are complaining, I assumed it meant with your teammates.
What could you possibly want to communicate to you opponents?

 

[Exile20]

I think I agree with this. It should be off by default and you can turn it on.
I really like Plants vs. Zombies: Garden Warfare but sometimes you have someone with microphone turned on saying nothing and it is really distracting.

Oh god I stopped playing that game for that specific reason. Why is it on by default. Fuck.

 

[cmChimera]

And what about the man babies who drool over a female voice? Or the racists complaing about Peruvians, Russians, etc.? Or how about the immature preteens?

Voice chat should be opt in only.

That's fine, but in Smash and possibly Splatoon, there's no option at all. It's just no.

 

[Kai Dracon]

No bots is a bad move if they literally mean no bots in anything but single player. I really dislike the trend of first and third person shooters to not allow bot matches. They should have ranked and non-ranked online matches; perhaps allow bots in non-ranked for friends games or practice.

 

[stan423321]

Seeing people are complaining, I assumed it meant with your teammates.
What could you possibly want to communicate to you opponents?

@#$% YOU ALL! AND YOU, JEFFREY1972, IN PARTICULAR! YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHO ARE YOU DEALING WITH!

Obviously Nintendo won't implement voice chat for teams neither, which is honestly good news for me. I always mute it out on PC immediately, it ain't too different from the example above even if players are on the same team. Too bad they didn't go and implement in-game communication though.

The 4v4 only matchmaking is the real bad news, if they don't patch it with bots and/or something else this will eventually stop working completely.

 

[Z3M0G]

No bots is a bad move if they literally mean no bots in anything but single player. I really dislike the trend of first and third person shooters to not allow bot matches. They should have ranked and non-ranked online matches; perhaps allow bots in non-ranked for friends games or practice.

I'm thinking programming AI for this game would be far too difficult... it's not just about shooting at other players, it's also about shooting up the environment, creating routes of colored paint, and swimming through it... they likely can't get the AI to perform on that level, or don't know how to go about it at this time.

The Hero mode will likely have no enemies... none that shoot at you at least. Maybe they'll make some simple enemies that try to take you down in other ways though.

 

[NotLiquid]

As far as I know, they haven't said what the options will be for playing with friends online will be right?

As far as voice chat goes, I took a look at the Japanese source text and yeah it does say specifically that there's no chat with randomly matched players, so that leaves the door open for friends.

Then again, would that mean that all friend matches would need to be with 8 mutual friends? How would that work?

It might be possible to make a team of four of your own friends against randoms but thats just me hoping. I could see a tourney/group mode though (specifically like Kart 8's group functions) that might enable voice chat.

The Hero mode will likely have no enemies... none that shoot at you at least. Maybe they'll make some simple enemies that try to take you down in other ways though.

Hero Mode has a series of Octopus enemies that shoot at you and even has a rival Octopus character.

 

[test_account]

Yeah, there are not that many people playing Blacklist, but there still are ... on Wii U.

I don't get the "OMG no bots" talk at all. Is it a problem that Uncharted never had bots? No? Blacklist had no bots, that's also not a problem? Why is it now a problem?

Since it isnt an established franchise, its hard to know how popular it will be. It could potentially lead to really long waits if the game wont start before the room is full. Too early to tell of course, and there is always possible to patch it later on so that the game will start if there is 6 players in the room instead of 8 etc..

Because we need to make up reasons to pile on hate on Nintendo. Despite there already being legitimate points to have against Nintendo.

With that being said, I did wish there was a voice chat option but given the reputation voice chat has (even though it is kind of old by now), I'm not surprised Nintendo would be very against using it.

No, the concern about not starting before the room is full is legit. Too early to tell how it will play out, but its not about just finding some baseless reason just to hate.

 

[Plinko]

I have no issue with no communication.

I have a major issue with no CPU bots or forcing a game to start with less than 8 people.

 

[stan423321]

I'm thinking programming AI for this game would be far too difficult... it's not just about shooting at other players, it's also about shooting up the environment, creating routes of colored paint, and swimming through it... they likely can't get the AI to perform on that level, or don't know how to go about it at this time.

The Hero mode will likely have no enemies... none that shoot at you at least. Maybe they'll make some simple enemies that try to take you down in other ways though.

I don't know man. If you wanted to have a bot that plays the game like a human would, that would be obviously very hard - it's hard in almost everything not turn based. But a bot that just plays the game in a semi-competent way doesn't sound that ridiculous. Walk/hyperjump to wrongly colored areas. Shoot terrain when there's nothing else to do. Squid through the paint when it coincides with the road we are taking anyway. Run from enemies that see you. The worst part to make would be the "regular shooter" bot.

Well, unless they are simply running out of RAM with all the paint. That's a possibility.

 

[Flappy]

only once 8 human players have been found will a match start

This game will be a waiting simulator a few weeks after release.

 

[KingSnake]

No, the concern about not starting before the room is full is legit. Too early to tell how it will play out, but its not about just finding some baseless reason just to hate.

This game will be a waiting simulator a few weeks after release.

Play COD:BLOPS or Splinter Cell on Wii U. Do you think Splatoon will sell less than those?

 

[Flappy]

Play COD:BLOPS or Splinter Cell on Wii U. Do you think Splatoon will sell less than those?

Yep.

 

[KingSnake]

Yep.

I think you have no idea of how much COD:BLOPS and Splinter Cell sold on Wii U.

 

[Usobuko]

No communication
No bots
Match will only start if party is full of 8 players.


pffffffffffffffffffffffffffff this is going to be a hard sell man that is disappointing :O

Yeah, went from day zero to maybe.

 

[Pie and Beans]

Play COD:BLOPS or Splinter Cell on Wii U. Do you think Splatoon will sell less than those?

Are you really asking if a niche new IP is going to sell less than Call of Duty (even on WiiU)? This isn't a Smash Brothers or Mario Kart situation where retro nostalgia is steeped over every aspect of its appeal. You're going to be leaning more towards the Bayonetta 2 side of sales unless Nintendo plans to go full nuclear with marketing and promotion (they're not).

 

[Gonzo The Great]

I have no issue with no communication.

I have a major issue with no CPU bots or forcing a game to start with less than 8 people.

This. I already use Skype for voice chat, but no bots is bonkers.

 

[EvilMario]

Nice to see match making is done based on skill. Smash Bros could really use something similar.

No communication as at least an option is terrible though. Not even with friends? Seems like MH3U is the one Wii U game I'll ever play that has the option to talk to randoms. And being a good community, I rarely ever had problems with anyone. Plus I always had the option to mute people, or just opt out. Not sure how you're suppose to be playing an arena shooter like this where stage control is everything without communicating with your teammates.

 

[test_account]

Play COD:BLOPS or Splinter Cell on Wii U. Do you think Splatoon will sell less than those?

I have no idea, but i dont think its just about sales. Killzone: Shadow Fall on PS4 sold 2+ million, but the last time i played it (maybe 1-2 months ago), it was like 200 people online. No problem to getting into a match though, but there is no restriction on having to be a full room to start. I'm not saying that there will be a problem for Splatoon, but such a solution with full room to start a match might lead to longer waits.

 

[Geg]

It might be possible to make a team of four of your own friends against randoms but thats just me hoping. I could see a tourney/group mode though (specifically like Kart 8's group functions) that might enable voice chat.

Maybe there will be extra modes exclusive to local/friend multiplayer, kind of like 8 player Smash was

 

[phanphare]

Are you really asking if a niche new IP is going to sell less than Call of Duty (even on WiiU)? This isn't a Smash Brothers or Mario Kart situation where retro nostalgia is steeped over every aspect of its appeal. You're going to be leaning more towards the Bayonetta 2 side of sales unless Nintendo plans to go full nuclear with marketing and promotion (they're not).

I'll just go ahead and put this batch of crow in the freezer..

 

[pvpness]

Oh man, what a fucking drag. I hope they say there is friend/party chat during the matches. If not the game goes from a day 1 purchase to a pass altogether for my whole crew. Would be seriously disappointed, it's one of my most anticipated titles atm.

 

[pinkurocket]

I wouldn't expect a party option to group with friends.

Can you do it with Mario Kart? If so, then maybe.

No, but Mario Kart isn't team-based and Splatoon is. Smash lets you chat with friends in-between matches.

 

[KingSnake]

Are you really asking if a niche new IP is going to sell less than Call of Duty (even on WiiU)? This isn't a Smash Brothers or Mario Kart situation where retro nostalgia is steeped over every aspect of its appeal. You're going to be leaning more towards the Bayonetta 2 side of sales unless Nintendo plans to go full nuclear with marketing and promotion (they're not).

COD and Splinter Cell sold in the range of tens of thousands on Wii U. Bayonetta 2 is a huge success compared to them. Hell, even W101 was way above. So think again about my question.

 

[Crocodile]

We don't know how they're handling playing online with friends. The OP/sinobi's blog only mentions that you cannot communicate directly with people you are randomly matched with.

Can someone put this in the OP or edit it to be even more explicit in this regard? I really have no interest in reading pages and pages of people shitting upon "Thing X" until its actually confirmed to be problematic. If there is indeed voice chat with friends/teammates, which is what I'd assume unless told otherwise, these first couple of pages are going to be worthless and look embarrassing :/

 

[Platy]

How can it have local multiplayer and no bots if the fight only starts with 8 players ???


4 players on tv and 4 on the gamepad ? =P

 

[EvilMario]

The problem is, with friends I have other options to communicate with them, but with randoms, I need that option for in-game voice chat. Especially in a game like this where you need to communicate to control the stage. If we don't have the option then playing random lobbies in Splatoon is just going to be a gigantic shit show to avoid at all cost. "Think of the children" is a tired and terrible excuse. Give the option to turn off voice chat, even give the option to password lock it if you must, but don't ax the whole thing. It's a shame because I bet the Splatoon community would be great for the most part, much like Monster Hunter is and I would rarely have to mute anyone.

 

[BeatResetsTheWorld]

Can someone put this in the OP or edit it to be even more explicit in this regard? I really have no interest in reading pages and pages of people shitting upon "Thing X" until its actually confirmed to be problematic. If there is indeed voice chat with friends/teammates, which is what I'd assume unless told otherwise, these first couple of pages are going to be worthless and look embarrassing :/

It's in the OP. People are just unable to read full sentences because reasons