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[A Human Becoming]

Hasn't the Vita been doing like less than 20k in non-holiday months?

59k-3k, from January to October last year 7/10 were below or equal to 20k.

 

[allan-bh]

Is it bad news for xbox to go from 141k to 153k? and ps4 to drop 80k?

Bad news for both.

Xbox One has an excuse of $399 price earlier in the month. PS4 has an excuse of no price drop since launch.

 

[Y2Kev]

If the 3DS base is such that people waiting for the N3DS could cause it to crater, then that says something interesting to me about the base.

 

[vinnygambini]

If you were to trust your instincts would you believe that the title had 200k - 250k in the US alone a month ago. Even considering the ramp up of reserves that usually happen in the final month. Which would put the title at much more realisticly at between 300k - 350k at a single retailer and ensure it would do in excess of 500k launch month on a single platform?

Just curious what you think.

If I am understanding the above correctly, one should expect the launch month at 500k? Wouldn't that be on par to Infamous: Second Son where it did well it's first month only to disappear the next month after.

I don't have much faith in the title, but I could be mistaken. You are much more connected to retail than I am though.

 

[iceatcs]

Disappointed US market. I think EU will come big of all soon, but PS4 can't do alone in there, need other two do well will takeover US easy.

 

[jhmtehgamr20xx]

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[Freeman]

There's the answer... HW sales being unimpressive aren't really a surprise when you look at the release slate.

I mean, what would push a Jan sale other than Dying Light?

HW in Jan is a non-issue in most years. This is one of those years.

Its more about the 400 dollar price I think, isn't January always weak?

 

[Welfare]

59k-3k

Well then.

I'm fucked in the prediction league ;~;

 

[Jigolo]

This gen is going to be shorter than the last.

 

[RELIGHT]

The king reclaiming number 1 as it should.

 

[Usobuko]

Am I the only one that kind of feels bad for the Ouya now?

No need to, they manage to hold out and got Alibaba to invest $10m. If anything, you should feel sorry for people who bought into their KS speech.

 

[WordsintheWater]

Bad news for both.

Xbox One has an excuse of $399 price earlier in the month. PS4 has an excuse of no price drop since launch.

You really believe that a week at that price affected the sales that much?

 

[The Artisan]

What bad?

Actually since Feb is a short month all around the numbers on both could be lower, but particularly for XBO since it doesn't have a Titanfall-like exclusive coming this month or, well...until the holidays really.

But the xbone does have a $50 cheaper price point. also correct me if I'm wrong, it comes with the 2 asscreed games bundled in yeah?

Bad news for both.

Xbox One has an excuse of $399 price earlier in the month. PS4 has an excuse of no price drop since launch.

let's hope this gives sony the push to cut the price.

 

[Nirolak]

People really expect Bloodborne to move the mass market? LOL.



Software Average Retail Price... which in 2014 jumped to $27 from $24 in 2013 thanks to the console transition.

Tie ratios are tougher to calc on an aggregate due to which platforms you do or don't include, but the new gen consoles are holding their own there, too. When you include Digital, tie ratios are up big versus prior gen launch.

Then the installed bases, which are both still fantastic.

From any way you look at it, both boxes are having incredible starts and should provide confidence to anyone looking at the space.

Looking at the first half of the year, the only things that look like they'd move software to an audience that hasn't bought the consoles yet are Batman, Mortal Kombat, and if Take-Two does a great advertising job, maybe Evolve.

Oh, if MGSV actually makes it out then there's rather feasibly an audience that wasn't enticed by Ground Zeroes that might make the hop.

I'd list Hardline but BF4 already came out.

Beyond that I expect momentum to largely be driven by what came out last Fall and people finding themselves with more money or early excitement for Fall titles combining with existing releases.

 

[A Human Becoming]

Well then.

I'm fucked in the prediction league ;~;

Note my stealth edit.

 

[Orthogonal]

What numbers were those? This is what I posted earlier.


The PS2's 8th January was better than any console this year.

PS2 was also $99.

 

[CosmicQueso]

If the 3DS base is such that people waiting for the N3DS could cause it to crater, then that says something interesting to me about the base.

They told you that when they removed the power cable. That signified a complete throwing in of the towel on the short-term dedicated handheld market. They're giving up on doing anything but managing that business down, at least until their new box, if they even decide to make one.

 

[Elios83]

This period includes $399 price.

I think whatever was lost in those 10 days could have easily been made back in the second half of the month at 349$ if demand was there.
The problem for Microsoft is that PS4 is outselling the XB1 even at 349$ looking at Amazon so things shouldn't change in February.
People interested in the product jumped in thanks to the crazy deals of the holiday season which was also the ideal period for gifts and impulse buying. Now the dynamics are different.
Microsoft needs to bundle big games again at 349$ or directly cut to 299$ at E3 if they want to outsell PS4 again. Problem is that Sony this time will have a price cut on their own.

it wasn't a full month of $349. we'll find out this month if their momentum is up.

Again, the 349$ XB1 is still being outsold, so this reasoning has not a solid basis and sounds more like an excuse. February, based on trends we're seeing, will have the same situation even with the full month at 349$.

 

[Freeman]

That can't be right. Must be the Vita's number.

My mistake I was taking VitaTV number as all Vitas I think.

 

[Moneal]

PS4 down 78k from last January?

wouldn't be too surprising with it being on market for over a year compared to last year and still at the same price. many are probably waiting for a price drop. sales this year will probably be lower than last year for a few months especially slower ones like January.

 

[demosthenes]

Warner Brothers is on a roll.

 

[JNA]

nope
ps4 both

XB1 had highest attach rate (software units per system sold), not necessarily overall software.

It's misleading.

no ms pr said that they had highest software sales per console sold? aka higher attach rate. didn't say sold more software.

Oh ok.

I only assumed otherwise cause of seeing more XB1 games selling in the top 10 than I did PS4.

These NPDs confuse me.

 

[The Shogun]

If I am understanding the above correctly, one should expect the launch month at 500k? Wouldn't that be on par to Infamous: Second Son where it did well it's first month only to disappear the next month after.

I don't have much faith in the title, but I could be mistaken. You are much more connected to retail than I am though.

You are probably mis interpreting what I'm writing

 

[Y2Kev]

They told you that when they removed the power cable. That signified a complete throwing in of the towel on the short-term dedicated handheld market. They're giving up on doing anything but managing that business down, at least until their new box, if they even decide to make one.

This gen has really been Nintendo's inward turn in the US, a really stark contrast from last gen. At the same time, I guess it's making the most of a really bad situation. But whatever works for them (but I don't really think it is working all that well).

 

[Schnauzer]

Xbox One with less hardware and software sold must be worrying.

 

[ascii42]

If the 3DS base is such that people waiting for the N3DS could cause it to crater, then that says something interesting to me about the base.

I have trouble believing that the N3DS XL has that large of an effect given its price, but I guess we'll see.

 

[GribbleGrunger]

PS4 down 78k from last January?

Not the launch window + XB1 pricedrop = less PS4s sold.

 

[jhmtehgamr20xx]

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[Chobel]

Let me guess, A Human Becoming is an insider?

 

[Ty4on]

There's the answer... HW sales being unimpressive aren't really a surprise when you look at the release slate.

I mean, what would push a Jan sale other than Dying Light?

HW in Jan is a non-issue in most years. This is one of those years.

It's way worse than normal January sales though. 2013 360 sold 280k down from 1400k holiday. I'm guessing the blizzard might have had an effect (seemed so last year), but I don't live in the US.

 

[Welfare]

This January was incredibly slow. Last gen, the only time a console went below 200k in January before the 8th gen came out was the PS3 and Wii, and that was one time back in 2012.

 

[allan-bh]

Very good, we have almost all hardware numbers. Thanks so much cream.

We only need 3DS now.

 

[Moneal]

Not the launch window + XB1 pricedrop = less PS4s sold.

probably had less to do with xb1 price drop as it does with ps4 still not having a price drop.

 

[ascii42]

PS2 was also $99.

$129, it didn't drop to $99 until March 2009, but fair point. Last gen systems in particular are too expensive.

 

[Nirolak]

This gen has really been Nintendo's inward turn in the US, a really stark contrast from last gen. At the same time, I guess it's making the most of a really bad situation. But whatever works for them (but I don't really think it is working all that well).

That Wii U eShop demographic chart said a lot about the audience they're still reaching in general.

 

[A Human Becoming]

Let me guess, A Human Becoming is an insider?

Not at all. I have a spreadsheet.

 

[CosmicQueso]

maybe Evolve.

Any of you retail cats have a read on Evolve? From what I've heard, it's been disappointing?

isn't January always weak?

Generally, Jan provides between 5-8% of overall annual HW sales volume for the core consoles.

 

[Ty4on]

Not at all. I have a spreadsheet.

The most powerful weapon.

 

[Man-is-Obsolete]

This gen is going to be shorter than the last.

No gen should be that long again. Also people over analyze single months too much. Big picture is that the X1 and PS4 install base is still higher than at this time last gen.

Also I think MS ruined the value of both consoles during the holidays. People I'd wager are thinking Sony will respond soon as well.

 

[TheDarkKnight774]

what were the price points of the consoles listed in the January 2008?

I think the PS4 will start to really move once it hits $300. But Sony is milking the $400 price point as long as they can

 

[J-Rzez]

This gen is going to be shorter than the last.

That's a sure thing as you can tell how these machines are made up hardware wise. Last gen dragged on well beyond it's welcome. These machines are designed price efficiently and will drop in manufacturing costs quickly, the consumer is more adjusted (conditioned) to new hardware hitting soon, and overall technology (hardware and software wise) will evolve pretty fast I think. Throw in the inevitable UHD/4K take over in time, new hardware will be needed.

In fact, we may see new hardware sooner than in the past this time. If that's the case, we'll probably get one more generation of "traditional" consoles while the world plays catch up with infrastructures for streaming. Good, effective hardware is cheap, and I can't see even Sony putting in something "exotic" into their next machine, kind of like how the most "exotic" thing in the PS4 is it's RAM.

 

[The Artisan]

Again, the 349$ XB1 is still being outsold, so this reasoning has not a solid basis and sounds more like an excuse. February, based on trends we're seeing, will have the same situation even with the full month at 349$.

really? the Ps4 has been outselling the xbone week after week since the january 16th price cut?

 

[The Shogun]

Any of you retail cats have a read on Evolve? From what I've heard, it's been dissapointing?

Slower out the gate then I would have guessed.

Combined may still beat The Order in NPD. Depending on how Order reviews / word of mouth.

 

[Chobel]

Any of you retail cats have a read on Evolve? From what I've heard, it's been disappointing?

It's doing poorly in Best buy and Gamestop.

 

[vinnygambini]

You are probably mis interpreting what I'm writing

Oh sorry ;.;

Maybe 150k pre-orders nationwide with a debut in February NPD between 250-300k.

 

[Elios83]

really? the Ps4 has been outselling the xbone week after week since the january 16th price cut?

On Amazon yes.

 

[Nirolak]

Any of you retail cats have a read on Evolve? From what I've heard, it's been disappointing?



Generally, Jan provides between 5-8% of overall annual HW sales volume for the core consoles.

Yeah, I wouldn't be shocked if it didn't fly off shelves either, but I listed it since I could at least see it appeal to someone who liked L4D as opposed to someone who bought a PS4 at launch like The Order.

 

[Iced Arcade]

Pretty surprised with the X1's software sales

 

[Plinko]

This gen is going to be shorter than the last.

For Nintendo, maybe. I don't see it for Sony/MS.

 

[allan-bh]

what were the price points of the consoles listed in the January 2008?

I think the PS4 will start to really move once it hits $300. But Sony is milking the $400 price point as long as they can

360- Arcade $279 / Pro $349 / Elite $449
PS3- $399
Wii- $249