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Project Morpheus GDC Presentation LiveBlog Discussion Thread. [LIVE]
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I think oculus' last version was at 75hz , but Carmack has talked about 240hz and beyond is what they would like.
The latest Samsung galaxy phone which is designed with Gear VR and oculus in mind is 1440p now, so the tech is getting better so fast that the console's driving them wont' be able to handle it very shortly.
Ephemeris
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darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
I mean thats if you take them at their word. Given their track record I think its fair to question whether or not it does make it in 2015.
Wish this was also coming out this year but way more important to get it right then to get something out the door. Bad VR experiences for the first adopters could pretty much kill it out of the gate.
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Septimus Prime
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I'm thinking that by virtue of putting Morpheus in the PlayStation line, they are going to sell at cost or even take a loss. If they wanted to charge astronomical prices, they would have rolled it into Bravia or a new line.
wanderingprostheyltite
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Demo pics from roadtovr:
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The Everyman
We will all become robots.
lol
Scully Scully Scoo
Member
nah ps4 specs were attainable for the price point, most people expected <$400. for this thing to take off it needs to be reasonably priced
I don't see what they could offer right now to make a viable product besides enthusiasts. This is a playstation device i would assume and i don't know if they meant to make Pc compatible ones.They handle it differently than those occulus prototypes. I can wait for the vr future since i have other games to play this year.
The Shogun
Banned
Valve's set is 90hz correct? If so this could actually be an advantage for Morpheus. 120hz damn.
I never expected Morpheus to have any edge over a PC VR set at all.
I never expected Morpheus to have any edge over a PC VR set at all.
It's a 4 hours event, including presentation.
So presentation + demos (developers/press are currently trying the new prototype, on the new tech demos).
Yes lawd, still day one. I expect anything running at 120fps to be either super ugly or super stylized but I don't care. Most of my favorite Rift games/demos aren't graphically high-end either. I just matters less in VR plus if it's running at 120fps I can't even imagine how smooth that will look. DK2 @ 75fps already blows my mind! Good job Sony.
wanderingprostheyltite
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Yeah they overcharge for stuff like TVs or that hmz personal video deal, they're not gonna drop the ball on this and cut a bunch of their target demo out.
Another demo pic from roadtovr:
I think the idea is that most VR software for Morpheus will run at 60 and be interpolated to 120 by the device itself. The other prototype worked similarly. There was a breakout box connecting the headset to the console that was taking the 60hz output and interpolating to 120. But if the screen itself can also run at a native 120, that's great. I'm sure some of the lighter VR stuff would be able to run at that framerate. Might be slight overkill this early on especially since user perception of flicker usually breaks down around the 90Hz mark (hence why Valve and Oculus have targeted that for a while now). But it's still better to be over the mark than under for sure. I'm interested in seeing the quality of this interpolation though. Feel like it can't be the same as real 120Hz. We'll see though. Either way Sony is taking it seriously so it will be fantastic. All of these VR devices are going to be fantastic.
As nifty as Morpheus is I'm more amused by Sony's comment that they can do 120 FPS output.
So it is possible to get CRT motion quality on PS4 games. People were complaining that 60 FPS holds no tangible enough advantages over 30 FPS. I would love for them to experience what happens when you play games at even 100 FPS.
So it is possible to get CRT motion quality on PS4 games. People were complaining that 60 FPS holds no tangible enough advantages over 30 FPS. I would love for them to experience what happens when you play games at even 100 FPS.
Natureboy99
Banned
Hardware looks good. Now we just need to see some real games and announce 3D movie/TV/event support.
loaf of bread
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Errr, you must not have been here for that, no one expected less than 400 for PS4.
Most important thing for me.
Tried it yesterday at an infernal conference. It was my first experience with Morpheus, so I can't compare it to the previous version, but - based on the 2 two demos that were available - I will say this:
- I'm absolutely blown away by the experience I had.
- I'm wearing glasses and didn't have any issues at all, which was a great surprise.
- One of the demos was running at 120hz and it was amazing, but the other demo that was running at 30hz didn't really take anything away from the experience.
- There are no noticeable delay.
- I genuinely felt like I was in a different world. There were some very exciting and surprising moments in one of the demos that actually got my heart racing and got me sweating a bit.
Overall, great first impression.
- I'm absolutely blown away by the experience I had.
- I'm wearing glasses and didn't have any issues at all, which was a great surprise.
- One of the demos was running at 120hz and it was amazing, but the other demo that was running at 30hz didn't really take anything away from the experience.
- There are no noticeable delay.
- I genuinely felt like I was in a different world. There were some very exciting and surprising moments in one of the demos that actually got my heart racing and got me sweating a bit.
Overall, great first impression.
Maybe it would work for being just a huge virtual cinema in your home, they don't seem all that costly performance vice.Still graphics don't have to be too detailed to be impressive vr. Or all of the vr playthings will be in one virtual room, no high impact action and explosions necessary to make things look impressive.
means tradional RGB subpixel arrangement, where each pixel is made up out of RGB bars. The oculus rift still uses pentile screens, so you have a higher green pixel count then red and blue.
RGB VS Pentile
Will be interesting to hear how full RGB subpixels reflect how that simulator is affected
wanderingprostheyltite
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That's fucking awesome, thanks for your impressions. How did the tracking feel? Were there any demos where you able to stand up and move around? Curious about the tracking area size.
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I just realized that the robots are Morpheus...
Thanks for your impression. I hope this doesn't get buried.
Thank you for sharing that!
Neuromancer
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Sounds fantastic, thanks.
juicyfruitas
Member
oh you know that this'll be a given
They've already covered the whole 120fps thing by saying they have a software solution to convert 60fps into 120fps.
Half us have TVs that do this, and presumable on a 60fps title enabling motion interpolation is going to add a single frame of latency (16.66ms) which takes us way over the target that Sony themselves specified as being the requirement for VR....
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
So I assume they're just going to call this Playstation Morpheus or something? Seems weird to acknowledge it as an official product coming out next year and still not have an actual name for the device
Most important advantage of Morpheus is IMO, ease of use, fixed dev environment and built-in base of peripherals [everyone has dualshocks, Move is tried and tested, PS4 camera can be already bought everywhere]. Sony has that part of ecosystem locked down tight.
1080p screen will hurt them in the long run, but it is not that they have any other choice with current version of hardware that is limmited by old HDMI standard. Maybe they will release revision of PS4 hardware with DP/SuperMHL which will enable them to release 1440p Morpheus II.
Was thinking the same thing.
All the more interesting when you stop to think of all the instances we've accused them of "running on Valve time." (i.e. late....very late)
ParaCanKor
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Mind.....Blown.......
Takamura-San
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Will they have a demo with PT?
vpance
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Apparently it doesn't take much to interpolate 60 to 120 since many of the frames are pretty similar to each other at 60 anyways.
Wow thats awesome. thanks for the impressions!
Devilgunman
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That's it. Where can I pre-order?
BrettHeazy
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It's ticking all the right boxes for me!
But didn't Jason Rubin say OR would launch this year?
deejay8595
my posts are "MEH"
LMAO! Nice
Sony claim that HDMI 2.0 is simply a firmware upgrade for PS4, so with some luck we'll have that update within the next 4 years
lukeskymac
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Some people were really buying into the VR requirements hyperbole, huh? The PS4 can do PS3 graphics with improved IQ and @1080p on VR, no problem.
As for Morpheus itself, I feel like this is the best they could do for the hardware they are pairing it with. OLED, low latency, 120Hz... wow.
The Last Guardian VR coming early next year!
Neuromancer
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AllIsOneIsNone
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Sweet, seems like the hardware is up to snuff. The only thing that has me concerned is the software. It feels like most of the PS4 VR games are going to be initially designed exclusively for Morpheus from the ground up (I know of some exceptions already, but this is the general feeling I get), whereas on PC a lot of games will be VR compatible even if they aren't designed specifically for it. Maybe I'm wrong, I hope I am.
Yes it's definitely a sweeter number than 90/95 if you are trying to interpolate.