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PlayStation 4 hits 20.2 million units sold worldwide (high sodium content warning)

to be fair, isn't sony also helping to fund sf5?
I think porting Bloodborne to other platforms doesn't bring Sony as many as financial benefits as porting Street Fighter V. In addition, Bloodborne is their killer app after all and they can't risk killing their system seller just for the sake of a small portion of audiences on other platforms.

so correct me if i'm wrong, since sony doesn't own from software, that makes this a 2nd party exclusive yeah? in the same way, sunset overdrive is a 2nd party exclusive?
insomniac own the Sunset IP. Meanwhile, From Software don't own Bloodborn IP. Sony do.
 

klee123

Member
Not sure why Sony keeps announcing numbers to be honest.

Is there a reason they keep doing it? Honest question.

Does it incentivize devs to develop for the PS4? To make more people buy the system? For stock holders? What?

To bring out all of the salt posts which this thread clearly shows.
 

Alo0oy

Banned
Um... That graph is not showing what you think its showing. Read the full article. Its showing revenue.

Again. Don't be one of those posters Who thinks they know More then a market research organisation. What you've said is akin to you saying that Sony must be wrong about 20.2m+

Other researches agree that the PC software market is larger than the console software market in terms of revenue.

Anyway, as i've said before. The console market is doing fine.

Really? You're comparing researchers to Sony? The only hard numbers we have is from publishers, & I want you to show me a single multiplatform publisher that had higher revenue on PC than consoles, or better yet, even 25% of its revenue.

Activision owns Blizzard, which is probably the biggest PC games publisher, & PC still only made 24% of its revenue.
 
They aren't helping with the funding of Bloodborne. They're funding it in its entirety and they own the IP. They situations aren't the same.
Got it.
"2nd party" technically doesnt exist. Its only used to describe the relationship between the manufacturer and developer(when the developer is independent but gets funded by the manufacturer to make exclusives.). But yea, its like SO but in this case FROM doesnt own the IP, Sony does.
if 2nd party doesn't exist, why is the 2nd term 3rd party. 1st party --> 3rd party.
I think porting Bloodborne to other platforms doesn't bring Sony as many as financial benefits as porting Street Fighter V. In addition, Bloodborne is their killer app after all and they can't risk killing their system seller just for the sake of a small portion of audiences on other platforms.
word, well it will be Ps4's first killer app hopefully. and the guy above you said a sony dev is also helping with developing.

while we're on that subject I also want to ask... although the dark and gritty art direction looks very drawing, graphics isn't the biggest focus of the project. so why didn't they do 60fps?
 

ethomaz

Banned
Bloodborne is the exactly same case of Demon's Souls.

You won't see it on other platform than PS4... unless From Software do a clone like Darkborne.
 

anothertech

Member
Grats Sony :)

Looking forward to a great year, and some hopeful surprises ahead in the next few months! Keep that momentum flying!
 
Bloodborne is the exactly same case of Demon's Souls.

You won't see it on other platform than PS4... unless From Software do a clone like Darkborne.

The only reason that Dark Souls happened was because of Sony not realizing what they had with Demon's Souls. So I wouldn't be surprised if they have a multigame contract with From for a series of Bloodborne titles.
 

ethomaz

Banned
is the general consensus that demon souls > dark souls?
I prefer it but I played it first... seems like the guys that played Dark Souls first prefer it over Demon's Souls.

In my view the environment, atmosphere and characters are better in Demon's Souls... everything else are better Dark Souls.
 

Alo0oy

Banned
is the general consensus that demon souls > dark souls?

It's kinda split, there was a poll last year & it was practically a tie. Although people that only had PC or Xbox obviously voted for Dark Souls, so amongst the people that played both, yes DeS is better.
 

ZhugeEX

Banned
Really? You're comparing researchers to Sony? The only hard numbers we have is from publishers, & I want you to show me a single multiplatform publisher that had higher revenue on PC than consoles, or better yet, even 25% of its revenue.

Activision owns Blizzard, which is probably the biggest PC games publisher, & PC still only made 24% of its revenue.

Bro. What the hell is wrong with you. You say that the source is PC bias. But you're not even quoting the source. The actual source Is DFC as I pointed out. yet you still maintain that this source is bias. Its not. The OGA you're talking about are just reporting the dfc figures.

you just can't accept facts and so are making up stuff to try and discredit a company that has been very accurate in its reporting of Console, Mobile and PC market.

And yes, im saying that research from DFC is similar to research from Sony. They both track in similar ways. Sony research sell through figures in order to Come to a very accurate total. DFC research the market in order to.come to an accurate total and split as they have done for years. Disagreeing with this means you have to disagree with every other researchers numbers as Well. You can't just pick and choose a source and pretend the source you choose is saying something you want. I've already told you the gartner source is showing different things (such as hardware) in their numbers whre as dfc look at software only.

Like I said before if you want to read the full report to see the breakdown then feel free to pay the $3000 and read It.
 
The graph made no sense, as I said GTAV alone sold better than that, the graph says "millions of units", GTAV sold 32 million units in 2013, which is higher than the laughably low 18 million units in 2013 for all consoles in that graph.

Open Gaming Alliance (previously PC gaming alliance) have been at it with "PC bigger than consoles" for years, yet not a single publisher has shown that in their quarterly report.

PC market is digital & mmo market, as you can see from this graphs.

2014_YiR-Infographic_1500px.jpg

http://www.superdataresearch.com/blog/infographic-2014-digital-games-year-review/

These guys are the ones who also made this graphs.


If you're talking about total revenue, you can't ditch mmo revenue from PC. Multiplatform games are of course unarguably sold more on consoles.

MMO market is gigantic as you can see from this report. That's why consoles are going mmo as well these days.

 

Shengar

Member
Anyway, as i've said before. The console market is doing fine.
Maybe some people take your post as an attack to console gaming. As I see it, your post clearly only stating the obvious fact. PC gaming revenue of course larger due to MMO and MOBA where there is monetization that possible to reap profits from piracy ridden third world market. Console and PC market is avery different landscape right now. Just becausr PC have bigger revenue that doesn't mean ut automatically better market for all developer to thrive in.

Edit: texhnolyze graph seems to prove my point. Console just can't reap profit in third world asia country due to rampant piracy there while PC can. Remind you that this region holds some of the most populous country in the world.
is the general consensus that demon souls > dark souls?
No, it's a even split. Also to answer your previous qurstion why people petitioning Bloodborne to come to PC, Demon's Souls didn't exist for them. A lot of gaming as a scrnr also tend to forget DeS and gives all the credit instead (name dropping Dark Souls as source of inspiration for example).
 

mazpratim

Member
Last gen i remember the were loads of "congrats Microsoft" type posts every npd and sales number announcements and i honestly don't remember all that much salt in those threads except for the occasional insane person downplaying the numbers by bringing up multiple console purchases due to red ring. So strange. So much salt about ps4 numbers this gen.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=296026

Salt is usually directed towards the highest selling console
 
I prefer it but I played it first... seems like the guys that played Dark Souls first prefer it over Demon's Souls.

In my view the environment, atmosphere and characters are better in Demon's Souls... everything else are better Dark Souls.
I see, but it's not like a tr - uncharted scenario is it?

I was talking to this guy who played the tr reboot before playing Uc2/3, and then when he played Uc2/3 he wasn't that impressed by it and that tr may have largely something to do with that.
is that possibly because there was no consensus? it's divided?
It's kinda split, there was a poll last year & it was practically a tie. Although people that only had PC or Xbox obviously voted for Dark Souls, so amongst the people that played both, yes DeS is better.
was it split like the Me2vsUc2 thread? Because I remember that although Uc2 won, it was by no means on a landslide. The poll's less popular choice still was a very very large minority.
 
word, well it will be Ps4's first killer app hopefully. and the guy above you said a sony dev is also helping with developing.
He's absolutely right :) And speaking of which, I wonder what role Japan Studio take during the development (besides funding). As From Software were able to develop Souls game on many different platforms just fine last-gen, I find it weird when they have to seek Sony's helps in Bloodborne's development. I think they (From) can totally handle the development on their own

while we're on that subject I also want to ask... although the dark and gritty art direction looks very drawing, graphics isn't the biggest focus of the project. so why didn't they do 60fps?
I have no idea. But considering all the Soul game run at 30 fps on consoles, I don't find Bloodborne running at 30 fps on PS4 strange.
 

ZhugeEX

Banned
Maybe some people take your post as an attack to console gaming. As I see it, your post clearly only stating the obvious fact. PC gaming revenue of course larger due to MMO and MOBA where there is monetization that possible to reap profits from piracy ridden third world market. Console and PC market is avery different landscape right now. Just becausr PC have bigger revenue that doesn't mean ut automatically better market for all developer to thrive in.

Thanks for understanding. Im a console gamer myself who has owned every PlayStation since the original. I don't play games on PC and very rarely do I play games on mobile (only PAD).

Yet the facts are facts and PC software revenue is larger than console and mobile revenue is set to exceed both shortly.

The console market is still doing great though with high attach rates for softwarr and good hardware sell through.

The PS4 has exceeded expectations and is doing far better than any other console ever in its first 12 months on the market. In fact I was one of the people who said PS4 would exceed 18m by end of 2014 and people called me crazy. But I was right.

Im not bias or trying to downplay numbers. Just posting facts. Look at my post history and you'll see i've had discussions with people and calling them out because they couldn't admit Sony were doing well Or that Sony had sold through 18.5m consoles.
 

Hyun Sai

Member
while we're on that subject I also want to ask... although the dark and gritty art direction looks very drawing, graphics isn't the biggest focus of the project. so why didn't they do 60fps?
From Software is not very good at this. They couldn't even make constant 30 FPS on their previous games, so we can't ask them too much.

Let's just hope Bloodborne will be rock solid 30 FPS.
 
From Software is not very good at this. They couldn't even make constant 30 FPS on their previous games, so we can't ask them too much.

Let's just hope Bloodborne will be rock solid 30 FPS.
but I thought that was why SCEJ was helping to develop. Optimizing the production process
 

BigDug13

Member
From Software is not very good at this. They couldn't even make constant 30 FPS on their previous games, so we can't ask them too much.

Let's just hope Bloodborne will be rock solid 30 FPS.

Ubisoft must suck at it too since all the AC's last gen were sub-30 (until PS4/XBO version of 4). Rockstar must suck at it too because all the console GTA's from 3 and newer were all sub-30 (until the PS4/XBO version of 5). And I guess a ton of other companies also suck at it since their last gen games were sub-30 who are getting solid 30+ this gen.

The framerate numbers of last gen doesn't seem like it automatically applies to this gen don't you think?
 

Drencrom

Member
but I thought that was why SCEJ was helping to develop. Optimizing the production process

They didn't help out with none of the Dark souls games. Demon's Souls is okay performance-wise, I wouldn't say that game is an indication of how Bloodborne will turn out though. SCEJ have in general stepped up their game since a year or two also.
 
They didn't help out with none of the Dark souls games. Demon's Souls is okay performance-wise, I wouldn't say that game is an indication of how Bloodborne will turn out. SCEJ have in general stepped up their game since a year or two also.
why would they offer any assistance for dark souls? seeing as how that game was multiplat
 

Drencrom

Member
why would they offer any assistance for dark souls? seeing as how that game was multiplat

I'm not saying they should or did with Dark. Your questioning just sounded like you were surprised that From software isn't very great technically even though they have help from SCEJ, which they didn't have for dark souls.
 
I'm not saying they should or did with Dark. Your questioning just sounded like you were surprised that From software isn't very great technically even though they have help from SCEJ, which they didn't have for dark souls.
when you wrote "they didn't help with none of dark souls" i thought you meant that they did offer some assistance on those games, but I was unsure why if the game was multiplat.
 

theofficefan99

Junior Member
Perhaps I'm not insanely picking, but I'm failing to understand the "no games" comments I keep seeing. At least to me, I'm interested in a bunch of games. FF Type-0, Dragon Quest Heroes, FFXV, The Order, Bloodborne, Assassin's Creed IV and Unity, Infamous Second Son, Killzone Shadow Fall, Batman Arkham Knight, Street Fighter V, Tekken 7, The Witcher 3, DA:I, etc.

Can't wait to pick up a PS4 hopefully sometime around April.
 
I think porting Bloodborne to other platforms doesn't bring Sony as many as financial benefits as porting Street Fighter V. In addition, Bloodborne is their killer app after all and they can't risk killing their system seller just for the sake of a small portion of audiences on other platforms.


insomniac own the Sunset IP. Meanwhile, From Software don't own Bloodborn IP. Sony do.
Apparently Sony didn't need to provide a killer IP this generation to fulfill the needs of the masses. 20.5 million units and still no first party games worth a shit would seem to debunk the "games" argument as well as the "exclusive" argument in the same breath.

Just goes to show if you build a solid machine for a good price with a well known brand name you will go places.

I will admit the console doesn't have much competition though so that may play a big factor but the thirst is real for a gaming console

Which is probably what we should gather from these numbers.
 
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