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[BadWolf]

This is just the people you hang out with, I feel. The buzz is less than FF13 IMO. Hell even in the JRPG sector I'd say Persona 5 had more buzz for the weeks surrounding its launch trailer and Kingdom Hearts 3 will most likely garner more attention when it ultimately shows some more footage of worth.

Sorry but I find it very hard to believe that there are nearly as many people excited for P5 as FFXV. Especially WW.

 

[DaSorcerer7]

The lack of interest in the FFXV demo is a very bad sign imo.

 

[allan-bh]

I see a ton of people talking about it, much more than I see of any other game. The fact that it's so far away is shocking. It's pulling non-FF fans interested in it on top of FF fans.

I don't see more people talking about FF XV than FF XIII back then.

It's true that open world action RPG style is more appealing for general public, but I'm not convinced that will sell more than FF XIII (brand was more strong at the time)

 

[SPAW]

I'll wait for the excuses when XV sells worse than XIII.

In proportion to the number of sold consoles?

 

[Kikujiro]

Nah, I just found your post a bit one-sided.
There are plenty of things to talk about this week and you only tried to disprove how any of the the three things you talked about in your post could be considereed as good news for PS4.
It made me smile, that's all.

Carry on.

All of his posts are one-sided, not surprising at all.

 

[Spiegel]

Rather than a smile you made the impression of beeing very upset and defensive, you didn´t even refrain from beeing offensive on a personal level, which actually doesn´t surprise me since you lack counter arguments. I mainly wanted to talk about two important franchises and so I did, deal with it.

I'm glad I made that impression to you.

Now, back to the sales talk.

 

[gtj1092]

I guess the "lol remasters, western games and cross gen games" have done something for Ps4 sales.

Some games are better than no games even when not exclusive.

 

[DarkLordMalik]

You post at every chance for the remaining FF big popularity in Japan and yet you expect another drop from the already low XIII sales. How are we gonna determine its real popularity?

SE is still milking the FF IP and as long as they can keep doing it, and it is still a big money maker for them.

FF smartphone games have been popular enough for SE that they are making more of them. Mevius FF is coming soon along with Dissidia FF for Arcade. If this doesn't speak about the popularity of the series, I don't know what else.

The FF X|X-2 HD Remaster was the best selling remaster of a game in Japan. Better than other popular IPs remasters in Japan.

The recently released FF Explorers game on 3DS also sold pretty good.

FF Type-0 HD was released exclusively for the current generation and the sales are pretty good for an expensive remaster.

FF XIV is holding really well for a new FF MMO in today's tough market for sub-based MMOs.

 

[Aostia]

The lack of interest in the FFXV demo is very bad sign imo.

funny because I read Type-0 results as a good sing of interest on the FFXV demo.
I mean, Type-0 was already available, was already purchased and played by many in Japan. this full priced title is selling decently because of the demo, imho.

 

[LegendofDragoonLives]

This is just the people you hang out with, I feel. The buzz is less than FF13 IMO. Hell even in the JRPG sector I'd say Persona 5 had more buzz for the weeks surrounding its launch trailer and Kingdom Hearts 3 will most likely garner more attention when it ultimately shows some more footage of worth.



No way.

I don't see more people talking about FF XV than FF XIII back then.

It's true that open world action RPG style is more appealing for general public, but I'm not convinced that will sell more than FF XIII (brand was more strong at the time)

We will see in a year+ when you're both wrong. This is getting people I would never imagine playing FF talking about it. I'm talking exclusively western sales here, Japan excluded.

Feel free to quote this post in the sales thread for the lulz if I'm wrong.

 

[DaSorcerer7]

funny because I read Type-0 results as a good sing of interest on the FFXV demo.
I mean, Type-0 was already available, was already purchased and played by many in Japan. this full priced title is selling decently because of the demo, imho.

It's a demo for the next mainline FF, these numbers are terrible.

 

[IAmRandom31]

It's a demo for the next mainline FF, these numbers are terrible.

its a $60 demo ...

if you really pay that much for a demo you are a fool .. or well ... way more diehard a fan then ill ever be lol, or have plenty of money to throw away

 

[DNAbro]

Final Fantasy is still popular and XV will sell well. In Japan I don't think it will outsell XIII, I think worldwide it will outsell it though.

 

[Chris1964]

SE is still milking the FF IP and as long as they can keep doing it, and it is still a big money maker for them.

FF smartphone games have been popular enough for SE that they are making more of them. Mevius FF is coming soon along with Dissidia FF for Arcade. If this doesn't speak about the popularity of the series, I don't know what else.

The FF X|X-2 HD Remaster was the best selling remaster of a game in Japan. Better than other popular IPs remasters in Japan.

The recently released FF Explorers game on 3DS also sold pretty good.

FF Type-0 HD was released exclusively for the current generation and the sales are pretty good for a expensive remaster.

FF XIV is holding really well for a new FF MMO in today's tough market for sub-based MMOs.

Last time you were disappointed with FF Explorers sales for a FF game.

 

[Psycho_Mantis]

Meh, I remember more people being hyped for Versus than XIII then. This game is going to rack up a lot of new, western fans. Unless the game quality wise fails, this game is going to print a lot more money than FFXIII.

I expect FFXV to outsell FF13 in the West as well. A big factor is the word of mouth/quality but I believe in Nomura/Tabata and from what we have seen.

Ha, interesting week.

Type 0 would have sold more on Vita, but Vita is not getting Final Fantasy XV.

Just like Revelations 2 would have sold more on the 3DS, but the 3DS is not getting Resident Evil 7.

Some publishers are trying too hard to revive the home console market in Japan. Poor them.

Next: Dragon Quest XI for PS4.

This has to be a joke post?

Sorry but I find it very hard to believe that there are nearly as many people excited for P5 as FFXV. Especially WW.

lol of course FF will dwarf P5 in popularity.

 

[Jamix012]

Sorry but I find it very hard to believe that there are nearly as many people excited for P5 as FFXV. Especially WW.

I'm not claiming Persona 5 will sell more than FF XV, just because that'd be crazy talk. But the fact that Persona 5 seems to be competing with FFXV on internet hype alone should really tell you something about the state the FF franchise is in general. FFXV will continue the decline for the series.

It's true that open world action RPG style is more appealing for general public, but I'm not convinced that will sell more than FF XIII (brand was more strong at the time)

This isn't really true when it comes to JRPGS is it? Outside of Kingdom Hearts (which has a lot more going for it outside of its battle system) and MAAAAAYBE Tales action JRPGs are relegated to Niche. It's turn based RPGs that get any sort of recognition (at least when they come from Japan.) Considering the biggest games in the genre from Japan are Final Fantasy 7-10 and The Pokemon Series.

 

[LegendofDragoonLives]

It's a demo for the next mainline FF, these numbers are terrible.

FF is one of my favorite franchises and I've played almost every single iteration of the series. I have 0 impulse to this game for the demo. 70$ with tax when Bloodborne is coming out this month, no thanks.

 

[The Last One]

I'm not claiming Persona 5 will sell more than FF XV, just because that'd be crazy talk. But the fact that Persona 5 seems to be competing with FFXV on internet hype alone should really tell you something about the state the FF franchise is in general. FFXV will continue the decline for the series.

So people are talking about Persona 5 because FF is less popular and not because Persona got way much popular than it was?

 

[Fdkn]

I'm not claiming Persona 5 will sell more than FF XV, just because that'd be crazy talk. But the fact that Persona 5 seems to be competing with FFXV on internet hype alone should really tell you something about the state the FF franchise is in general. FFXV will continue the decline for the series.

Gaf =/= Internet

 

[DarkLordMalik]

Last time you were disappointed with FF Explorers sales for a FF game.

Yes, and it had some decent legs which meant it continued to sell well.

 

[allan-bh]

We will see in a year+ when you're both wrong. This is getting people I would never imagine playing FF talking about it. I'm talking exclusively western sales here, Japan excluded.

Feel free to quote this post in the sales thread for the lulz if I'm wrong.

Apparently you don't remember the level of anticipation for FFXIII. It was WAY BIGGER than FF XV now.

 

[Atram]

i love the "Game X will sell better than before in the West because PS4" argument.

 

[DNAbro]

I'm not claiming Persona 5 will sell more than FF XV, just because that'd be crazy talk. But the fact that Persona 5 seems to be competing with FFXV on internet hype alone should really tell you something about the state the FF franchise is in general. FFXV will continue the decline for the series.

Persona is getting more popular, I don't see FF getting less popular.

Apparently you don't remember the level of anticipation for FFXIII. It was WAY BIGGER than FF XV now.

I remember people always being more excited for VersusXIII.

 

[FalsettoVibe]

It's a demo for the next mainline FF, these numbers are terrible.

Don't think this is representative of what the actual game will sell.

 

[FluxWaveZ]

Gaf =/= Internet

Enthusiasts. NeoGAF isn't the only place where Persona 5 is competing in levels of anticipation with FFXV. Hell, not just the internet, but magazines too if we're going by this metric (Famitsu most wanted charts).

 

[Psycho_Mantis]

I'm not claiming Persona 5 will sell more than FF XV, just because that'd be crazy talk. But the fact that Persona 5 seems to be competing with FFXV on internet hype alone should really tell you something about the state the FF franchise is in general. FFXV will continue the decline for the series.

How does one effectively measure this "internet hype" xD

Come on now. If I went by message boards I would be thinking that Bloodborne is a massively popular game and COD is a niche one. Your conclusion based from what you got it from is invalid.

 

[Yamauchi]

Wow, glad to see the PS4 doing well.

 

[DarkLordMalik]

I'm not claiming Persona 5 will sell more than FF XV, just because that'd be crazy talk. But the fact that Persona 5 seems to be competing with FFXV on internet hype alone should really tell you something about the state the FF franchise is in general. FFXV will continue the decline for the series.

What were you expecting for that Persona 5 footage reveal?

It has been years since we got our first actual look at a Persona game. Last one was in 2008. You don't quite remember but FF XV had a similar peak of interest when it "debuted again" at TGS with a new trailer + gameplay. The GAF thread and hype back then was insane as well. It was all over the news at that time.

 

[Loris146]

Enthusiasts. NeoGAF isn't the only place where Persona 5 is competing in levels of anticipation with FFXV. Hell, not just the internet, but magazines too if we're going by this metric (Famitsu most wanted charts).

Maybe FF XV has less hype than FF XIII but Famitsu mw chart is a completely useless chart

 

[FluxWaveZ]

Maybe FF XV has less hype than FF XIII but Famitsu mw chart is a completely useless chart

I'm not talking about sales.

 

[wmlk]

TIL that people think FFXV will sell more than FFXIII in Japan.

I don't even know how someone can even think that.

 

[theprodigy]

pfft, why are we talking about a game that isn't even coming out this year?

how about MGSV instead, any predictions on that

 

[DieH@rd]

Strong week for Playstation games. Next weeks report will be interesting with Bloodborne coming out.

Hardline bumped Xbone hardware sales for ~30 units.

 

[Loris146]

I'm not talking about sales.

K.

Anyway will be interesting to see Type 0's sales in USA. Maybe we'll have some indications for the FF franchise outside Japan.

 

[Asd202]

Final Fantasy is still popular and XV will sell well. In Japan I don't think it will outsell XIII, I think worldwide it will outsell it though.

In Japan it will definitely sell lower than XIII. WW? That's really up in the air I think it will depend on reviews and word of mouth for the game.

 

[Aostia]

It's a demo for the next mainline FF, these numbers are terrible.

but it's a full priced demo.
c'mon. I love Zelda (isn't that obvious from my avatar?) but I don't know if I'd buy a 60 bucks demo. Yes, there is the remaster HD. Probably I'd buy a Zelda TP HD remaster with the Zelda U demo...I don't know, the fact is that I think that the hype in Japan for Type-0 HD is based all and only on the demo, so the sales are not that bad.

 

[DarkLordMalik]

how about MGSV instead, any predictions on that

Best selling Metal Gear confirmed!

It is Kojima's last MGS. It will sell gangbusters even in Japan.

 

[KillerMan91]

I don't see more people talking about FF XV than FF XIII back then.

It's true that open world action RPG style is more appealing for general public, but I'm not convinced that will sell more than FF XIII (brand was more strong at the time)

I really don't know how we can measure the current strenght of the brand compared to 2010 in west. True, direct sequels to XIII sold like shit but considering the reception of XIII was that so surprising? FFXV as a new mainline game will show us the current strenght of the brand. I still think that with good reception, strong marketing and more appealing gameplay it could do XIII numbers in the west or even sligthly more. In Japan we will see obviously decline without some kind of miracle. Still even in Japan I think it will do better than doom and gloom sayers expect (just like XIII did).

 

[Atram]

pfft, why are we talking about a game that isn't even coming out this year?

how about MGSV instead, any predictions on that

it will do well because PS3/PS4/360/One

 

[DNAbro]

pfft, why are we talking about a game that isn't even coming out this year?

how about MGSV instead, any predictions on that

Around the same as MGSIV, cause 2 consoles.

Edit: or 4 lol

 

[damisa]

I think FF15 will sell less than FF13. In fact, I don't even think it will be close. Wouldn't be surprised if it sells less than half of what FF13 did

 

[Jamix012]

How does one effectively measure this "internet hype" xD

Youtube hits is a pretty good way.

What were you expecting for that Persona 5 footage reveal?

It has been years since we got our first actual look at a Persona game. Last one was in 2008. You don't quite remember but FF XV had a similar peak of interest when it "debuted again" at TGS with a new trailer + gameplay. The GAF thread and hype back then was insane as well. It was all over the news at that time.

The fact that they're comparable should be worrying for Square. Persona 5 might be a breakout hit, but even then it's sales would be dwarfed by FFXV. Or should I say they WOULD be dwarfed if FFXV really had as strong a brand as when FFX or, hell even, FFXIII released.

As it stands FFXV will obviously outsell Persona 5 on name alone, no one is saying it won't. But the fact that FFXV and Persona 5 are similar in their "internet/enthusiast" hype metrics should be worrying for those at Square.

 

[Li Kao]

Hmm, let me say in advance that this is not a console war post, I don't care about that, just curious.
I don't follow the sale threads closely, anyone could explain to me how we passed from a Nintendo dominated sales chart to a Sony one ?

 

[ArchedThunder]

Awesome numbers for PS4. Surprised that the PS3 version of Revelations 2 sold so much better than the PS4 version, was expecting a closer split. Type-0's numbers are good for what it is.

 

[donny2112]

I'm curious to see Final Fantasy XV sales. I'm betting will be kinda disappointing.

It'll probably be pretty high first week (compared to other PS4 games), maybe even be the top-selling game on PS4 after one week. Final Fantasy doesn't have good legs, though.

 

[DNAbro]

Youtube hits is a pretty good way.




The fact that they're comparable should be worrying for Square. Persona 5 might be a breakout hit, but even then it's sales would be dwarfed by FFXV. Or should I say they WOULD be dwarfed if FFXV really had as strong a brand as when FFX or, hell even, FFXIII released.

As it stands FFXV will obviously outsell Persona 5 on name alone, no one is saying it won't. But the fact that FFXV and Persona 5 are similar in their "internet/enthusiast" hype metrics should be worrying for those at Square.

The only reason P5 might sell more would be the PS3.

Hmm, let me say in advance that this is not a console war post, I don't care about that, just curious.
I don't follow the sale threads closely, anyone could explain to me how we passed from a Nintendo dominated sales chart to a Sony one ?

Games

 

[Atram]

Hmm, let me say in advance that this is not a console war post, I don't care about that, just curious.
I don't follow the sale threads closely, anyone could explain to me how we passed from a Nintendo dominated sales chart to a Sony one ?

easy to explain:

this week many games releases on Sony platforms (PS3/Vita/PS4) and like no releases on Nintendo platforms (3DS/WiiU).

This will change again in 2 weeks MC Charts (probably next week).

 

[LegendofDragoonLives]

Apparently you don't remember the level of anticipation for FFXIII. It was WAY BIGGER than FF XV now.

lol, no it wasn't. Video game forums hype =/= real life. FFXV is going to pull in millions of casuals. The only thing stopping it is if the game is not good. Like I said in my previous post, just wait a year before you're wrong.

 

[Jamix012]

Hmm, let me say in advance that this is not a console war post, I don't care about that, just curious.
I don't follow the sale threads closely, anyone could explain to me how we passed from a Nintendo dominated sales chart to a Sony one ?

Several Reasons

- Nintendo particularly does better around the holidays
- Sony has the only relevent home console right now
- 3DS is on its way out wheras PS4 is "on its way in." Somewhat
- Quite a few big releases now and upcoming for Sony Platforms (Mainly DQ:H so far.)

lol, no it wasn't. Video game forums hype =/= real life. FFXV is going to pull in millions of casuals. The only thing stopping it is if the game is not good. Like I said in my previous post, just wait a year before you're wrong.

Millions of Casuals? The hype for the game isn't obviously bad, but it's not comparably in real life OR on the internet from my experience to FF13. Your anecdotal experiences =/= actual reality.

 

[DarkLordMalik]

The fact that they're comparable should be worrying for Square. Persona 5 might be a breakout hit, but even then it's sales would be dwarfed by FFXV. Or should I say they WOULD be dwarfed if FFXV really had as strong a brand as when FFX or, hell even, FFXIII released.

As it stands FFXV will obviously outsell Persona 5 on name alone, no one is saying it won't. But the fact that FFXV and Persona 5 are similar in their "internet/enthusiast" hype metrics should be worrying for those at Square.

Why should SE worry about Persona unless both games are releasing close to each other?

Persona was the cult hit that got popular off its extremely good games (P3, P4 and Golden) and built a fanbase that kept waiting for a worthy sequel for more than 7 years. It is still not as mainstream as FF of course.

FF XV is coming off from the bad WOM of FF XIII. It has a lot to prove for it. Meanwhile people are much more confident that P5 will be a good game based on the franchise history.