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AV Club - The 100 best films of the decade (so far)
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Nothing in 12 Years a Slave is remotely as good as the 20-something minutes dialogue between Bobby Sands and the priest.
kurisu1974
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You are right, The Raid doesn't belong on any list of seriously good movies.
Alcotholic
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Room 237 is really confusing inclusion. Why? It's just people spouting shit from their mouth, recorded on a cheap mic at home.
I agree with this.
StWilson85
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lol, gtfo.
Indeed you are right, only on the list of seriously great movies.
Arthr2ShdsJcksn
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This is a solid list of quality films so far. Does anyone expect them to mimic their own personal top whatever list?
Glad to see Meek's Cutoff getting some love too.
Glad to see Meek's Cutoff getting some love too.
Random internet movie critics are fantastic entertainment. Could probably use the "stop liking what I don't like" picture for 80%+ of the replies.
kurisu1974
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Meek's Cutoff is great, was really surprised by what they did there with the atmosphere and characters, and the 4/3 composition.
12 Years a Slave is Hollywood nonsense, no way it is better than Drive and Melancholia but I'm not going to discuss this as I feel we're being trolled, I have heard stories about this snowman persona.
12 Years a Slave is Hollywood nonsense, no way it is better than Drive and Melancholia but I'm not going to discuss this as I feel we're being trolled, I have heard stories about this snowman persona.
Tim the Wiz
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That's still a pretty big compliment.
Oo I thought I was the only one that hated that movie over here. People were lining up to pile on me the other day when I said it was a nasty vapid film with computer game plot and characterization. Though now that I think about it maybe I should have considered the audience.
kurisu1974
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The second one is even worse, and people here love it even more!
Well it's a western... but an anti-western western. It subverts the genre. I don't think it's Kelly Reichardt's best film but I've certainly enjoyed watching it several times and thinking about it.
Jimnymebob
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Oh god I'm so out of touch with films. I've only seen Toy Story 3 out of that list.
I'd like to think I've seen more of the top 20 and the reason I haven't seen the lower rated ones is because my taste is that good.
I'd like to think I've seen more of the top 20 and the reason I haven't seen the lower rated ones is because my taste is that good.
There's a reason it's considered a modern action classic and it sure as hell isn't because a lot of videogame people like it
PK Strawstorm
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I still have PTSD from those scenes (Pasta Traumatic Stress Disorder).
Fancy Clown
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Wtf is this list. Why is Mother only at 99 and shit like Room 237 and Skyfall are halfway up the damn list?
The issue I'm wondering is, who is the audience for this list? "Official" lists are to brand the tastes of the website and give legitimacy to their picks. But this list is certainly not for film lovers or critics (internet or otherwise) given the amount of middling blockbusters and other questionable entires, but there are enough obscure choices that I don't really think it's for the average moviegoer either. So whether it was something that was ordered specifically to rile people up, or was just made by somebody who has strange criteria as to what makes a good movies, I don't think a lot of people are going to value its content.
The issue I'm wondering is, who is the audience for this list? "Official" lists are to brand the tastes of the website and give legitimacy to their picks. But this list is certainly not for film lovers or critics (internet or otherwise) given the amount of middling blockbusters and other questionable entires, but there are enough obscure choices that I don't really think it's for the average moviegoer either. So whether it was something that was ordered specifically to rile people up, or was just made by somebody who has strange criteria as to what makes a good movies, I don't think a lot of people are going to value its content.
kurisu1974
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Fanboyism seems to have something to do with it if you even have to defend yourself when having a certain opinion.
My guess would be that they don't actually like doing lists and the quality isn't a priority but they're still required to do them for the clicks. Wouldn't be surprised if some lists have questionable choices just to troll people who get butthurt over the opinions of others (stop liking what I don't like.)
Its absurd for Inception to be @ 30. Way too low. Than again its not surprising. All the Leo haters + Nolan haters = so much bitterness. No way something like Drive is better than Inception. That movie was very mediocre. Had a good soundtrack n thats about it.
Also happy to see The Grey get some love. One of Liam's best films.
Also happy to see The Grey get some love. One of Liam's best films.
I love Inception, but come on bro.
War Peaceman
You're a big guy.
Whenever anybody uses the term 'haters' as a rebuttal to criticism, you know they are on to a losing argument, and I like Inception.
kurisu1974
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I like DiCaprio, Nolan did some good films, I think Drive is amazing and Inception was annoying. I would never put Inception on a personal favorite list. Melancholia and Drive, I would.
Opinions.
But its true. People nitpick like crazy when it comes to those two. Anyways it doesn't matter. I haven't seen all of the films from the list so far so I am not gonna judge any more. But as far as storytelling and directing goes Inception was definitely one of the best/most memorable films for me in the past 5 years. 30 is a bit unfair imo so wtvr.
I must have been the other one of two. Couldn't disagree more. But then again, it is a Kelly Reichardt film so it's a slow and subtly suspenseful film.
JimJamJones
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I'm sorry, do I see Magic Mike over movies like The Wolf of Wall Street and Toy Story 3?
I mean REALLY??
I mean REALLY??
Haloid1177
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I've seen 24 of them so far. I'm dumb and don't read.
HIGH DEF JEFF
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Question.
Are people unsure what a decade is?
List is for the current decade. 2010 on.
Haloid1177
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Fuck no I kinda forgot. Black Swan seems like 2008 to me and so does Toy Story 3 and The Raid. Time moves too fast.
War Peaceman
You're a big guy.
People nitpick Interstellar and Inception because their plots practically invite it due to their complex/complicated nature. They invite discussion and it is only inevitable that some of that will manifest in criticism, especially given the marketing of them both. You can't produce complex scripts and not expect scrutiny.
Snowman Prophet of Doom
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12 Years a Slave is a decidedly ANTI-Hollywood movie, are you nuts? It's completely European in both narrative and aesthetic.
Snowman Prophet of Doom
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The whipping scene, the lynching scene, the conversation between Solomon and Eliza, the "Run Nigger Run" song, Epps chasing after Solomon, Epps and his wife using their slaves as weapon in a domestic argument. It's FILLED with great, poetic, deep, well-written, and well-shot scenes. That scene with Bobby and the priest is great, but 12 Years is a different movie with a different aesthetic and different goals. There is, perhaps, no stretch of SUSTAINED greatness like that scene in Hunger, and more obvious weaknesses (oh, Brad...), but it's a bigger, more ambitious movie with more even distribution of its great parts and a less obviously compartmentalized structure.
Arthr2ShdsJcksn
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Should be in the top 5 or AV Club loses all it's street cred.
Ebert getting taken to task over his take on a film is hardly new and not always the result of rabid fanboyism. Hell, 99% of the planet didn't even know Indonesia was making movies, let alone enough to amass a cult following to harass Ebert. Dude was always out of touch when it comes to these kind of movies and that's fine, it certainly wasn't his forte.
Regardless of the Ebert stuff, it's not like the only defense of the movies are "violence cool" and "this is rad". There's a lot of filmmaking power under the hood of those movies and they're rightly applauded for elevating the genre.
Fallout-NL
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Haywire was pretty awesome.
Androidsleeps
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I'm pretty sure Drive should be at least in the top 10.
True Savior
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I've seen 95% of that list. There is some pretty terrible movies in it.
angry at myself for only being at 48/80. always catching up!
Haywire is directed by Soderbergh, one of the most acclaimed american independents of the past 30 years, and "artsy" critics have also loved genre pictures since before 50s cahiers critics like Truffaut were calling b-movie directors like Tourneur and Ulmer the greatest living filmmakers
well, here's the thing, film culture has been fractured in the internet age like all of culture. It's very easy to only get to know bits and pieces, and it's completely feasible to not know about many of the movies listed.
...at the same time everything on here is an acclaimed movie that was heavily talked about on film blogs and among cinephiles so they are not obscure. If you're plugged in to reviews coming out of festivals and the current stable of celebrated international auteurs, you at least know what these movies are.
hm. I mean whether the blockbusters are "middling" is your call, but you do know that cinephile culture doesn't reject blockbusters, yeah? In fact anybody nowadays who does that is pretty much laughed out of the room.
and the list wasn't made by one somebody, it was made by multiple writers who disagree. I'm sure Vishnevitsky and Mike D'Angelo have lists out there you can check out if you want a "purer" idea of what one single person likes. But the idea of a list like this is to reflect the tastes of a small collective. I don't see how having blockbusters on it delegitimizes the entire list when there are guaranteed to already be entries on that site and in other places with writing from those critics on why they loved something.
Everyone jumps to the assumption that others lie about their taste. why lol. what's to gain.
Haywire is directed by Soderbergh, one of the most acclaimed american independents of the past 30 years, and "artsy" critics have also loved genre pictures since before 50s cahiers critics like Truffaut were calling b-movie directors like Tourneur and Ulmer the greatest living filmmakers
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well, here's the thing, film culture has been fractured in the internet age like all of culture. It's very easy to only get to know bits and pieces, and it's completely feasible to not know about many of the movies listed.
...at the same time everything on here is an acclaimed movie that was heavily talked about on film blogs and among cinephiles so they are not obscure. If you're plugged in to reviews coming out of festivals and the current stable of celebrated international auteurs, you at least know what these movies are.
Basically, yeah-- as this and every other thread on a list shows, nobody really reacts to or comments on the film's actual cultural position or the act of trying to canonize it. the only response is "I hated Film X it's the worst i've seen ever! t.f. this list garbage how could they" Which is a fair statement of personal taste and makes for fun discussion but doesn't really engage with what group lists attempt to do
hm. I mean whether the blockbusters are "middling" is your call, but you do know that cinephile culture doesn't reject blockbusters, yeah? In fact anybody nowadays who does that is pretty much laughed out of the room.
and the list wasn't made by one somebody, it was made by multiple writers who disagree. I'm sure Vishnevitsky and Mike D'Angelo have lists out there you can check out if you want a "purer" idea of what one single person likes. But the idea of a list like this is to reflect the tastes of a small collective. I don't see how having blockbusters on it delegitimizes the entire list when there are guaranteed to already be entries on that site and in other places with writing from those critics on why they loved something.
Everyone jumps to the assumption that others lie about their taste. why lol. what's to gain.
I love it and I don't even play video games
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