• Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.

Verge: "Everything you know about Marvel Comics is about to change"

Status
Not open for further replies.
Whaaa? Didn't they refresh the whole comics line with Annihilation? Yeah that was a decade ago but it's still fresh...

Nope. Annihilation and Annihilation: Conquest explored a lot with Galactus (who is still around) and the vast amount of extraterrestrial races, other galaxies, empires and whatnot, but didn't really go too far into the nonsense with the abstract tier- Death, Eternity, the Tribunal, the Celestials, etc. Those things could be considered the massively powerful "gods" of the MU in a manner of speaking.

without spoiling too much, all of those characters are no longer valid.
 
Nope. Annihilation and Annihilation: Conquest explored a lot with Galactus (who is still around) and the vast amount of extraterrestrial races, other galaxies, empires and whatnot, but didn't really go too far into the nonsense with the abstract tier- Death, infinity, the tribunal, the celestials, etc. Those things could be considered the massively powerful "gods" of the MU in a manner of speaking.

without spoiling too much, all of those characters are no longer valid.

Ah, I see. Hmm, interesting.

I kinda liked it. It was bizarre as hell but it just felt like Marvel to me.
 
The way I see it is that Secret Wars is a way to cherry pick elements from the past that worked and merge them into current continuity while dropping/retconning stuff that's not working.
 

Raistlin

Post Count: 9999
Full gay.
Hard gay

top270js9.jpg
 
Meh, haven't been following comics since the mid-90s. Love the classics up to early 90s Marvel, but the shit they were trying to do slightly prior to Onslaught just made me throw in the towel. I will continue to love the "concepts" of these characters, everything after never interested me(no Onslaught, House of M, yadda yadda yadda, Brand New Day...). I think the problem is when continuities get stretched out to the point that people feel compelled to toss in everything and the kitchen sink, just for the damn sake of sakes. I think, over the years, I've come to agreeing with(I forget who said it, if it was someone on YouTube or the Poptards)someone who said there should be a "new continuity" for each decade/generation. By doing that, you can start anew with a new "take" on iconic characters without being tied down by the baggage of what people wrote decades prior. Each of these generations" will have an end before the advent of the next incarnation, but those ends aren't definitive(like, dimension/world destroying) and leave the world open(much like how our world is "open" in that regards). That's also a way to leave dead characters DEAD in one "generation" and bring them back in another(Jean Grey... Superman... well, just about everybody....).

A generational or decade(whatever is better) would force writers to focus on a plan and would weed out the need for stupid, unneeded arcs. A problem I've always had was the focus on huge, revolutionary story arcs that try to top the ones before them. So much of it tries to "leave you with your jaw dropped" but shifting(and shitting) the world up, it's just not interesting anymore. OMG, mutants don't have powers anymore! OMG, shift into ALTERNATE REALITY for the ZILLIONTH TIME... oh wait, things went back to normal... or DID THEY?!! OMG, classic and well known characters are killed... know they are back again, because... "insert stupid explanation HERE"!!!
 
I get what you're saying, but secret wars and the run up to it has changed the structure of the MU in a way that none of the other "events" you've listed came close to. (and marvel now is not an "event", just branding).

The entire multiverse concept? gone. The cosmic tier of gods and abstracts? over with. how time and time travel work in the MU? scrapped and rewritten. It's a MASSIVE housecleaning, and this is just the prologue.

and the event hasn't even started yet.
Oh yeah, it's definitely huge, as everything happening right now in Hickman's books has been.

My point was more that this doesn't retroactively delete past continuity or characters' memories. It's just there.

So yeah, a shitload of universes have been destroyed over the past two years and one week from now only two will remain. And this will stick. To the same extent that Tony cloning Thor or Norman running the world happened.
 
no. we actually do. theres a comic that was released that takes place after secret wars that he participates in

If you're talking about Rage of Ultron... That's still just speculation. It could be Remender just completely bumbling with current continuity like he did with both Uncanny Avengers and AXIS.
 
Oh yeah, it's definitely huge, as everything happening right now in Hickman's books has been.

My point was more that this doesn't retroactively delete past continuity or characters' memories. It's just there.

So yeah, a shitload of universes have been destroyed over the past two years and one week from now only two will remain. And this will stick. To the same extent that Tony cloning Thor or Norman running the world happened.

well technically none of the universes will remain, that's the point of the whole battleworld thing.

But personally (and I don't have any insider information here, just bits and pieces from interviews and my own interpretation) i think the "cosmic housecleaning" IS going to stick here- because the multiverse concept had just gotten completely unweildy, and writers leaning on an infinite supply of alternate worlds to explain away the plot was practically a trope. Avengers almost seemed to be pointing out how tired it all was, giving Thor the hammer from an evil "unworthy" Thor to solve his issue, and defeating the Hulk with another alternate Hulk they had laying around.

2099 being retconned out of being an alternate world and simply a potential future of the marvel universe sort of shows how things are going to go from here on- I don't see them revisiting it anytime soon.
 

Parallax

best seen in the classic "Shadow of the Beast"
If you're talking about Rage of Ultron... That's still just speculation. It could be Remender just completely bumbling with current continuity like he did with both Uncanny Avengers and AXIS.

unwarrented dicking, with a team comfortable with each other in a scenario that isnt anywhere in sync with the current world. its nothing like axis with its linewide series of confusing books.
 
Raged about olivia wilde being cast for new xmen flick as psylocke or whatever.

Anyway

This is nothing more than Disney ordering Marvel to give the finger to Fox, what with the FF close to coming out. Same goes for making all new mutants inhumans, converting mercury and carmesin wiccan into nuhumans, killing Logan off, making spider-man black and so many other things. Also themeparks.
 
Raged about olivia wilde being cast for new xmen flick as psylocke or whatever.

Anyway

This is nothing more than Disney ordering Marvel to give the finger to Fox, what with the FF close to coming out. Same goes for making all new mutants inhumans, converting mercury and carmesin wiccan into nuhumans, killing Logan off, making spider-man black and so many other things. Also themeparks.

you know how I know you haven't actually been reading the comics?

The FF are crucial as hell to secret wars.

edit: it occurs to me this may be a tongue in cheek post, with the complaints about black spiderman
 
Precisely, aint even the only flamebro on the team now. Gotta share room with nuFlamebro in black jumpsuit that bangs a green owlwomanthing. Dude's obviously been created just to replace him after a tragic self-sacrifice for the greater good arc.
 
unwarrented dicking, with a team comfortable with each other in a scenario that isnt anywhere in sync with the current world. its nothing like axis with its linewide series of confusing books.

So basically its like that No More Humans graphic novel that came out and didn't jive with the continuity in the main X-Men comic books at all and was never touched upon again.
 
Precisely, aint even the only flamebro on the team now. Gotta share room with nuFlamebro in black jumpsuit that bangs a green owlwomanthing. Dude's obviously been created just to replace him after a tragic self-sacrifice for the greater good arc.
That's all on Robinson and the editorial mandate he had to piss on Fox movie rights. The guy killed off the FF with his shitty run while making Jim Hammond and Toro the default flamedudes. He even brought Toro back to make him an Inhuman.
 

Parallax

best seen in the classic "Shadow of the Beast"
So basically its like that No More Humans graphic novel that came out and didn't jive with the continuity in the main X-Men comic books at all and was never touched upon again.

except that directly follows battle of the atom and the lineups reflect that. this lineup doesnt match any lineup weve seen.
 

Slayven

Member
That's all on Robinson and the editorial mandate he had to piss on Fox movie rights. The guy killed off the FF with his shitty run while making Jim Hammond and Toro the default flamedudes. He even brought Toro back to make him an Inhuman.

Johnny didn't kill Hitler

add herc, thor, and she hulk to the mix, and youd have the best cross galactic adventure that none of them would remember
Might be the origin of Knowhere
 

Mudcrab

Member
So basically its like that No More Humans graphic novel that came out and didn't jive with the continuity in the main X-Men comic books at all and was never touched upon again.

If your talking about Rage of Ultron as far it concerns the rest of Marvel continuity,
The new Ant-man annual's plot is based on the aftermath of RoU.
 

Neoxon

Junior Member
Reed and Backstabbing Sue, sure. Valeria? Yerp. Franklin? A bit.

Flamebro and dime store hulk? nope.

All to stick it to fox. Same reason the FF comic was cancelled. Bury the only two decent and somewhat relatable guys on the team.



They got better.
Most of the X-Men & F4 getting screwed over stuff was never within the comics (& while you could make a case for the F4 comic being cancelled, I feel like it was both the reboot movie coming out & F4's historically-low sales that killed it). It's outside of the comics that's the issue, from the little merchandise that the X-Men get (they exist, but there isn't much of it) to their exclusion from some of the new Marvel games & even Marvel Animation's refusal to make a new X-Men cartoon.

So basically, you have the right idea, but are directing it towards the wrong medium.
 
In other words: there will be new status quos for a lot of characters/teams, some characters/teams will be impacted more than others, and 98-100% of pre-SW continuity will be left intact.

Pretty much what any reasonable person who pays close attention to these things (sorry, Gambit1138, Devin Faraci, and Graeme McMillan) expected.
 
Again - Alonso can't tell you whether this is really a reboot or not because Marvel themselves don't really know what the fuck they're doing after Secret Wars.
 
Or the sales were below 20k and that's when everything gets cancelled.

Get outta here with your silly theories. Plenty of books hovering at the 20k death zone don't get the boot. Like Silver Surfer. Why else would marvel keep silver surfer going, but not FF? I tell you why, because Norrin Rad won't be in the next FF film, that's why.

I can't do this anymore.
 

Apt101

Member
Hmm. One thing I always liked about Marvel is that they played with alternate dimensions without treating them like they were sacred or needed to be mapped out or anything. Like with their 'Zombies books. There might be Ash from Evil Dead or a few different Howard the Duck's, zombie Deadpool. In another book Spider-Man might meet several alternate versions of himself, no big deal. A month from now another writer might dream up and use some other alternate version of the MU. No one cared, it wasn't a big deal to adhere to continuity. Unlike with DC, where just the mere concept of a "multiverse" is treated like some major framework that needs to guide how writers tell stories and forces change upon fan favorite characters that did not need changing.

If I am reading this correctly, now Marvel will be enforcing all story tellers to pretend like there are only two universes? Seems pointlessly limiting.
 

Percy

Banned
Are they taking Bendis off of all of their super team books and leaving him on Powers full time? There's no downside there that I can see!
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top Bottom