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[Tom_Cody]

But she "warns that the video is not a recreation of the events in August 2012, a reference to the night Sulkowicz claims she was raped by fellow Columbia student, Paul Nungesser."
It's like there was the one avenue possible to make sense of this and she specifically denies it.

Probably for legal reasons. Nungesser is already suing Columbia and I'm sure she realizes she is walking on thin ice.

 

[maquiladora]

Probably for legal reasons. Nungesser is already suing Columbia and I'm sure she realizes she is walking on thin ice.

I never thought of that.

 

[riotous]

Okay, fair enough. I don't agree that it's ramble-y, I just think it's a cliche to say "we are all part of rape culture, we are all complicit" because it weakens her argument. I don't think it makes her mentally ill, because this is pretty usual fare when it comes to art—the goal of making the audience complicit. Of course, most artists don't try to do it with a checklist.

I see; thanks for the response.

I suppose the voyeuristic aspect of how it looks like a hidden camera recording might be part of the "consent" comment too.

But she's assume everyone looks at voyeur porn or violent porn. It muddies the message for sure; it's a much easier message to convey than to do what she did.

 

[tensuke]

When I roomed with some people while at SCAD there was one girl that loved to put penises into all her works, models, paintings, sculpts, everything. After living with her for a year you realize that society warrants you to take people at face value but some people just really enjoy getting shock value out of people and will take advantage of that. Regardless of mental illness or trauma.

That's not a specific commentary on what did or didn't happen with this woman but how people function and decide to handle situations and their life.

well see your problem there is that SCAD students are fucking nuts.

 

[Of All Trades]

It's sexual violence labeled "not rape." Like I said, I don't think it's particularly good—in part because of all the extra disclaimers attached to it that muddy its meaning. But I do think it's straightforward.

People make art drawing off their own experiences all the time. But it's only in this case where it makes her crazy or mentally ill or an attention whore? That's the part that I take issue with.

She's crazy if she thinks that disclaimer will provide protection from a lawsuit. She may be insulated in other ways but not that.

 

[Guileless]

I don't see a bright future for her in the real world of work and relationships without Title IX oversight.

 

[injurai]

That's some dedicated method acting.

 

[BreezyLimbo]

..wait, is the point of her piece is to say that everyone who watches it is a rapist?

Uhhhhhhhhhh huh. Ok then buddy

 

[Grasshopper]

Googling the title shows a four framed picture time stamped 8/27/2012, this is also the date she got raped right?

Anyone who watched the vid can confirm this?

 

[dream]

Googling the title shows a four framed picture time stamped 8/27/2012, this is also the date she got raped right?

Anyone who watched the vid can confirm this?

Yes, it's time stamped 8/27/2012, but she promises it's not a reference to her claim that she was raped on 8/27/2012.

 

[chubigans]

Yes, it's time stamped 8/27/2012, but she promises it's not a reference to her claim that she was raped on 8/27/2012.

Man...this is...I just don't know anymore.

yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesh

 

[dave is ok]

Yes, it's time stamped 8/27/2012, but she promises it's not a reference to her claim that she was raped on 8/27/2012.

Is this performance art of herself trying to get sued or something?

 

[CarpeDeezNutz]

I see; thanks for the response.

I suppose the voyeuristic aspect of how it looks like a hidden camera recording might be part of the "consent" comment too.

But she's assume everyone looks at voyeur porn or violent porn. It muddies the message for sure; it's a much easier message to convey than to do what she did.

Yeah, I never watched that garbage, I might watch her video out of curiousity but people described it already.


Wait, would I need to message her to ask it it's ok to read a description of the tape on an Internet forum?

 

[jett]

This person is clearly deranged.

 

[FlyingSaucer]

Serious question: Is she mentally ill?

Just trying to be clever, I guess.

 

[OrlanisWorks]

I do not like this piece of art.

 

[King Tubby]

Groan.

If you watch this video without my consent, then I hope you reflect on your reasons for objectifying me and participating in my rape, for, in that case, you were the one who couldn't resist the urge to make Ceci N'est Pas Un Viol about what you wanted to make it about: rape.
Please, don't participate in my rape. Watch kindly.

Something about this really just rubs me the wrong way. Watching a video you willingly produced and distributed is not in any way equivalent to rape, regardless of the intentions of the person watching it.

 

[NealMcCauley]

Just caught up on the events and yikes. Emma's quotes read like she's on another plane of existence.

 

[MaschinenZimmer]

One thing is for sure. The mods have created an interesting atmosphere on this forum regarding certain topics. Almost everyone is thinking the same thing but nobody dares to put it in words. On pretty much every other site people are calling her what she is.

Oh, and because the question got asked a few times already here. All charges were dropped against the dude. He supposedly showed some messages between him and the 'victim'. We do not know the exact content or nature of those conversations, but it was enough for the police to dismiss all charges against him.

Everyone who is still believing her is essentially victim blaming him.

 

[tfur]

I guess she needs to put up a mirror, so I can watch the performance. Link seems dead.

I did notice that the text of the actor is 9 '*' marks, which is the same number of letters (I think?) as the guy she accused.

A special thank you to everyone who made Ceci N'est Pas Un Viol possible, especially my actor (*********), my director (Ted Lawson), and those I love who have guided and supported me.

 

[NastyBook]

All of my Jackie Chans.

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

Is this going to be on xvideos anytime soon? Why would you defile yourself for some artsy Internet points?

 

[riotous]

Something about this really just rubs me the wrong way. Watching a video you willingly produced and distributed is not in any way equivalent to rape, regardless of the intentions of the person watching it.

And ad the end of the statement she instructs you to watch the video.

 

[entremet]

I don't think anyone can ever say if she was not sexually assaulted or not, but those texts aren't helping her case.

And it seems both Columbia and the NYPD found her claims inconclusive.

I just hope she finds the help she needs regardless of what happened.

 

[dream]

One thing is for sure. The mods have created an interesting atmosphere on this forum regarding certain topics. Almost everyone is thinking the same thing but nobody dares to put it in words. On pretty much every other site people are calling her what she is.

I don't know about that. I think it's so clear that she's a liar who is just seeking attention that it's not even worth the effort of spelling it out.

I guess she needs to put up a mirror, so I can watch the performance. Link seems dead.

I did notice that the text of the actor is 9 '*' marks, which is the same number of letters (I think?) as the guy she accused.

Good catch. I wonder what the redacted title signifies?

A_____'s S_____t

 

[Wreav]

And I thought shoving Spaghetti-Os up one's pooner and pissing all over the can was fucked up...this girl is on a new level.

Most art is the seeking of attention, though, this just happens to be half that, half self-therapy. I can see this backfiring for her in a big way.

 

[FriedConsole]

Won't sick rapists just get off on this?

 

[ThreePiMatt]

Is this going to be on xvideos anytime soon? Why would you defile yourself for some artsy Internet points?

It was up on PornHub right away. Visually its no different than any other amateur porn, outside of the fact that there's four camera angles.

 

[DoktorEvil]

A sigh is really all I can muster to this.

Maybe this helps her feel better but I'm struggling to see the artistic merit in this.

.

If she intended for me to feel awkward and uncomfortable about sexual relations, her performance art did it.

 

[Team Alucard]

Everyone who is still believing her is essentially victim blaming him.

Only if they believe he's really innocent. Granted, he was cleared 3 times despite Sulkowicz's burden of proof being preponderance of the evidence (AKA she only had to show that he was 51% guilty), so I'd say its more likely than not that he didn't do it, but for some people that's not going to be enough to convince them.

Victim blaming would be if someone acknowledged that Emma was a liar, but still blamed Nungesser for everything that happened. There was someone like that in the last thread, who claimed that even if Emma was lying, she was still the real victim because of white male privilege or something like that.

 

[ZangBa]

Won't sick rapists just get off on this?

Probably not. It's tame and actually really boring at that.

I think this girl fell off her rocker some time ago.

 

[King Tubby]

Won't sick rapists just get off on this?

If they do, she seems to be claiming that it's the equivalent of raping her. Which...no, it isn't, and the concept that it is trivializes and cheapens the impact and trauma of actual rape.

 

[real_slime]

well everything about and around this sounds awful

i'm outta here

 

[Griss]

Her comments regarding the video put her claim against the accused in a really, really unfavourable light because they show that she has a very strange and inscrutable definition of 'rape' and 'consent', which most people would see as black and white. As someone on Jezebel puts it, "Rape means what Emma chooses it to mean, neither more nor less."

“Do not watch this video if your motives would upset me, my desires are unclear to you, or my nuances are indecipherable.

If you watch this video without my consent, then I hope you reflect on your reasons for objectifying me and participating in my rape, for, in that case, you were the one who couldn’t resist the urge to make Ceci N’est Pas Un Viol about what you wanted to make it about: rape.

Please, don’t participate in my rape. Watch kindly."

If this woman believes that watching a video that she has published and asked the world to 'watch kindly' is 'participating in her rape' how on earth can I begin to believe her claim of rape against the accused? I can't.

Bizarre behaviour, hope she gets help.

And since I can't tell if my motives would upset her, and since her desires are utterly unclear and her nuances are utterly indecipherable I suppose I'll follow her wishes and not watch the video. But guess what, Emma. It's still about rape.

 

[Jakoo]

One thing is for sure. The mods have created an interesting atmosphere on this forum regarding certain topics. Almost everyone is thinking the same thing but nobody dares to put it in words. On pretty much every other site people are calling her what she is.

Oh, and because the question got asked a few times already here. All charges were dropped against the dude. He supposedly showed some messages between him and the 'victim'. We do not know the exact content or nature of those conversations, but it was enough for the police to dismiss all charges against him.

Everyone who is still believing her is essentially victim blaming him.

I don't know if it has anything to do with a mod enforced environment, more then the fact that we still do not know (and will never know) the truth of what happened that night.

I understand Paul was cleared, however, it's still possible something went down--it's he said/she said. Either she was assaulted and this art piece is her trying to own the traumatic experience, or she wasn't assaulted and is clearly psychopathic and now victimizing the accused offender. Tragic either way, and we will probably never know the truth of it.

 

[Ponn]

well see your problem there is that SCAD students are fucking nuts.

I could only stomach a year. Also the smell of the paper mills and cockroaches ran me out of town. I only go back for St. Patty's day.

 

[Like the hat?]

I went from wtf to getting it. Definitely wouldn't watch it, and I get her point. Especially if it starts off consentual and goes to non. The part about watching it does make sense. There are people that will watch it out of curiosity, out of tittilation, or any other reason, but watching it turns it in to entertainment, which is never what rape should be.

I'm not saying it's some brilliant piece, I'm just saying I get it.

 

[Rivitur]

Hell now I wanna sue to college for allowing students like this on campus :/

 

[electroshockwave]

https://kcjohnson.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/nungesser-complaint.pdf

That was linked in the jezebel comments. Based on the messages alone (which I presume are verifiable) this girl is crazy.

 

[Sho_Nuff82]

I was under the impression that Paul, the accused party, had been cleared of all wrongdoing by the school and the police? The transcripts of her FB chats indicate she has serious issues.

I mean...sure? I guess? I get it, as an art piece.

I think this is kind of the key:

She's being upfront about this one: this isn't really about her specific sexual assault, its just about sexual assault.

That's great that she said that, but that's bullshit.

 

[Griss]

I went from wtf to getting it. Definitely wouldn't watch it, and I get her point. Especially if it starts off consentual and goes to non. The part about watching it does make sense. There are people that will watch it out of curiosity, out of tittilation, or any other reason, but watching it turns it in to entertainment, which is never what rape should be.

I'm not saying it's some brilliant piece, I'm just saying I get it.

No. It is the production of it as 'art' that has turned it into entertainment. She can't pass the buck of producing and publicly releasing this video to the public back onto the public. It doesn't work like that. She is the one who is at risk of turning rape into entertainment.

Of course, this is all contingent on whether the actual base goal here was in fact to 'make art'. Another salient comment found on Jezebel:

I don’t believe this is art. It appears to be an attempt to influence the debate about the alleged rape by Nungesser, by staging a re-enactment. By dating the video as the same date as the alleged rape, she is making a clear comparison to what she says happened on August 27, 2012: consensual sex followed by a slap, choking, her attacker pushing her knees onto her chest, grabbing her wrists and and forcing anal intercourse (I can’t see clearly, but I think that’s what it’s supposed to be). These are all the same actions that Nungesser is supposed to have done. The video seems to be an attempt to reinforce Sulkowicz’s narrative, but it really throws up more questions than it answers.

Too many co-incidences there. Makes it look like a clear attempt to by-pass the system and continue smearing an innocent man's name. Perhaps she deserves the benefit of the doubt regarding the 'art' question but If she wants to continue being an anti-rape advocate there are better ways to go about it than this.

 

[kirblar]

I was under the impression that Paul, the accused party, had been cleared of all wrongdoing by the school and the police? The transcripts of her FB chats indicate she has serious issues.

Not fully cleared as in "he definitely didn't do it"- but there's no evidence in either direction (beyond her statement) because it got reported months after the incident was alleged to occur. And a statement without a pattern and absent other evidence is not enough for anyone to take action.

 

[entremet]

Not fully cleared as in "he definitely didn't do it"- but there's no evidence in either direction (beyond her statement) because it got reported months after the incident was alleged to occur. And a statement without a pattern and absent other evidence is not enough for anyone to take action.

Seems very vague lol. But it seems that's Title IX for you.

I know you hate Title IX, Kirblar, at least how it handles these cases.

 

[marrec]

Yeah, I never watched that garbage,

Hey man, violent consensual sex is amazing, stfu.

 

[Wiktor]

Groan.



Something about this really just rubs me the wrong way. Watching a video you willingly produced and distributed is not in any way equivalent to rape, regardless of the intentions of the person watching it.

She put a lot of effort into the video. Not watching it seems kind of rude. So I guess this is video watching rape caused by politness? Well...at least that sounds like something truly new. Not many things like that in the world

 

[Rentahamster]

When I roomed with some people while at SCAD there was one girl that loved to put penises into all her works, models, paintings, sculpts, everything. After living with her for a year you realize that society warrants you to take people at face value but some people just really enjoy getting shock value out of people and will take advantage of that. Regardless of mental illness or trauma.

That's not a specific commentary on what did or didn't happen with this woman but how people function and decide to handle situations and their life.

Maybe Superbad was her favorite movie.

 

[NimbusD]

the fact that she's doing this makes me either doubt her allegations a little bit or believe them even more and she has been psychologically affected to the point she'd make something like this. Confusing all around for me.

Probably part of the point of her doing this.

This isn't super shocking to me, but then again I went to art school so I've seen some pretty crazy stuff that young artists do. Most of them don't have the outlet that she does. Honestly if this was anyone else it'd be ignored, but because it's her and with the way her positive public perception has been waning, I'm fully expecting the the narrative surrounding her to turn even more negative the more work she does surrounding sexual violence, regardless of it's content.

 

[Wiktor]

Definitely wouldn't watch it, and I get her point. Especially if it starts off consentual and goes to non..

Yeah. In porn that order is supposed to be reversed. :]

 

[tfur]

https://kcjohnson.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/nungesser-complaint.pdf

That was linked in the jezebel comments. Based on the messages alone (which I presume are verifiable) this girl is crazy.

phew.

Just reading that part has given me second hand anxiety or something. Don't think I can read much more.

23. Emma also messaged Paul frequently throughout that summer with messages
including: "wuv youuuu, "- "i miss and love you btw" - "Paul i really miss you - "i really mis
you - "Paul I wuv you so much. Please stay w me foevah" - "paul I miss you so much" - "like
u know when you tell people you miss them and you don’t really mean it? - i actually mean it - i
miss you so much - ahhh" - "pookie - i miss you - "I LOVE YOU - SO MUCH" - "I MISS
YOU MORE THAN ANYTHING - "I love youuuu" - "and l would LOVE to have you here -
omg - we could snuggle" - "PAUL I MISS YOU PAUL I MISS YOU PAUL I MISS YOU
PAULLL" - "DUDE I MISS YOU SO MUCH" "I love you Paul!!!!!!." These messages
spanned from May 2012 through August of 2012, and similar messages continued until October
2012

 

[cheststrongwell]

https://kcjohnson.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/nungesser-complaint.pdf

That was linked in the jezebel comments. Based on the messages alone (which I presume are verifiable) this girl is crazy.

That shit is terrifying.