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[Naminator]

Women are hardly going out in droves to accuse men of false rape accusations and vice versa.

What should be confirmed is where the line of demarcation lies between consensual sex and rape and the University's role into sexual liason between 2 consenting adults.

Universities are botching these cases and are acting as a judge and jury to make these calls when they really have no place to judge the validity of sexual misconduct appropriately and without bias.

There's hardly any cars that run a red light either, doesn't mean that I'll stop watching the road when I cross it.

And yes I agree, universities are definitely should be out of the way in these situations and let the authorities handle it.

However, if I'm not mistaken, in this case the authorities found no evidence of rape and Emma was pressuring the University to punish the guy(don't remember his name) even though she can't prove it, so they pretty much have no choice but to be part of this whole fiasco.

 

[airmangataosenai]

So.... I guess the whole thing fucked with her head pretty bad? This whole thing is way too strange.

 

[MrToughPants]

I saw this on pornhub without knowing context, thought it was some casting couch rip off style amateur porn. I couldn't fap to it... dude had a hairy fat dad bod, his stomach looked like Crane from TMNT.

 

[ThreePiMatt]

I saw this on pornhub without knowing context, thought it was some casting couch rip off style amateur porn. I couldn't fap to it... dude had a hairy fat dad bod, his stomach looked like Crane from TMNT.

Krang* but maybe that was a autocorrect mistake.

 

[Northeastmonk]

I'm wondering if she uploaded the video for it then to be intentionally taken down. I haven't watched it but from the descriptions and her comments it seems that she is demonstrating consent.

If you watched it originally where it was first uploaded, and hadn't yet been removed you have consent to view the video but once it's ripped to other sites and removed from the original source you no longer have her consent anymore so it's wrong to watch the video. From a demonstrative and artistic standpoint this makes sense as it parallels somewhat in what is described in the video of it first being consensual and then the trigger event happens where it's not consensual anymore.

Half the people who watch porn on websites don't have the company's consent nor the artist. I do not believe we live in this world where consent matters once the video is open to the public. Sure there's consent with making porn, but once it's out there it's out there.

It's like a snuff film if you watch it anywhere else. What about sleeping porn? It's a weird world we live in. Not so much a snuff film, but file it under any rape fantasy category out there on the Internet.

No one hacked her phone or computer for this either.

 

[DoktorEvil]

Huh. So in a round about way, the fact that there are people who would upload that to Pornhub just validates her performance art as art and a statement about rape. Pretty sure my feelings about it are obvious: people are scumbags.

If that's what she wanted, she got her validation.

 

[NervousXtian]

Huh. So in a round about way, the fact that there are people who would upload that to Pornhub just validates her performance art as art and a statement about rape. Pretty sure my feelings about it are obvious: people are scumbags.

If that's what she wanted, she got her validation.

Except, it wasn't rape. It was just like any other weirdo fetish porn crap already out there.

There's plenty of this stuff already out there for anyone who cares to look. Rape porn isn't new, and she's hardly the first one to do it.. and the fact it was removed from her message pretty much invalidates it as any kind of art.. it's just another amateur fetish porn without an context. It clearly looks staged, as nobody has their dorm setup with 4 freaking surveillance cameras.. nobody is watching this thinking it's a real rape.

So not sure why you think people are scumbags and that it validates her in any way. As I think it being up on the porn aggregates pretty much ruins what she was trying to do.

 

[Riposte]

Art has no real definition so yes, any act of intentional creation could be considered art. The real debate lies in the artistic merit of individual pieces.

If you can't define art, how do even you start with artistic merit?

We don't know what **** is, but we can measure how ****istic it is.

 

[OrlanisWorks]

If you can't define art, how do even you start with artistic merit?

We don't know what **** is, but we can measure how ****istic it is.

Welcome to the great debate, friend!

 

[Femmeworth]

Implicitly it means we can't 100% define what art is, I think.

 

[Sarcastico]

Implicitly it means we can't 100% define what art is, I think.

It's a useless term these days.

 

[ApharmdX]

Huh. So in a round about way, the fact that there are people who would upload that to Pornhub just validates her performance art as art and a statement about rape. Pretty sure my feelings about it are obvious: people are scumbags.

If that's what she wanted, she got her validation.

To you and other posters here- have you seen her affidavit in the rape case against Paul Nungesser? There's a reason why he wasn't convicted. She is a lunatic and her claims are pretty spurious. I'm not saying that to be sexist or a rape apologist. I'll have to find the affidavit again to link it. It's crazy stuff, man.

When I saw this topic, and put it in context with that affidavit, I'm not really surprised. This woman needs mental help. This is really a shame because it casts a bad light on all rape victims. There are women out there who are genuine victims, and who deserve understanding as well as justice. This woman is, in all likelihood, not one of those.

edit: I think this was what I saw, maybe, his lawsuit filing against Columbia- http://www.scribd.com/doc/262956362/Nungesser-Filed-Complaint#scribd

Though I saw another one. The link above has text messages exchanged from her to him.

 

[RustyNails]

To you and other posters here- have you seen her affidavit in the rape case against Paul Nungesser? There's a reason why he wasn't convicted. She is a lunatic and her claims are pretty spurious. I'm not saying that to be sexist or a rape apologist. I'll have to find the affidavit again to link it. It's crazy stuff, man.

When I saw this topic, and put it in context with that affidavit, I'm not really surprised. This woman needs mental help. This is really a shame because it casts a bad light on all rape victims. There are women out there who are genuine victims, and who deserve understanding as well as justice. This woman is, in all likelihood, not one of those.

I dont understand how legal system works, but why hasn't Paul sued her for defamation yet, if he really is innocent?

 

[ApharmdX]

I dont understand how legal system works, but why hasn't Paul sued her for defamation yet, if he really is innocent?

I'm assuming that he's suing the university first, because he has the most chance for a financial settlement there? I'm not a lawyer.

 

[Le_Samourai]

I dont understand how legal system works, but why hasn't Paul sued her for defamation yet, if he really is innocent?

Because he gains nothing, people has already made up their minds, I suppose that he wants to be left alone.

 

[ScHlAuChi]

Yes, it's time stamped 8/27/2012, but she promises it's not a reference to her claim that she was raped on 8/27/2012.

Plot Twist:
The video is the actual video of what happend at that date and shows Emma and Paul! Everything was pre-planned - and Paul was either a useful tool or is in the know and part of this whole "performance"!

 

[IceCold]

Wait a minute...I'm reading online that the rape accusation are false in the first place. Is that true? If so, she should be put behind bars.

edit: seems like it's been covered by the above posts.

 

[crazyrabbits]

Too staged to qualify as amateur porn and too on-the-nose to qualify as a coincidental art piece. Coupled with the lawsuit claims and text messages, the woman sounds like a complete psychopath. Hope she gets arrested - she`s not worth the media coverage.

 

[mre]

I dont understand how legal system works, but why hasn't Paul sued her for defamation yet, if he really is innocent?

other than the fact that I doubt she has any assets to go after in the event his lawsuit is successful, I imagine there's also some PR reasons behind not suing her. "Look, now her rapist is violating her again, and this time he's using the same system that failed her to do it again."

 

[danthefan]

Plot Twist:
The video is the actual video of what happend at that date and shows Emma and Paul! Everything was pre-planned - and Paul was either a useful tool or is in the know and part of this whole "performance"!

Having your name associated with rape on an international level, I mean that would be nuts. Who would agree to that?

 

[DoktorEvil]

I dont understand how legal system works, but why hasn't Paul sued her for defamation yet, if he really is innocent?

He has nothing really to gain and everything to lose. All of the press is in her favor.

However, If his affects his future employment, you'd bet he'll sue for defamation.

 

[Team Alucard]

I dont understand how legal system works, but why hasn't Paul sued her for defamation yet, if he really is innocent?

She doesn't have any money. It wouldn't be worthwhile to take her to court. That's why he's suing the University instead.