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[LordOfChaos]

Yeah, I doubt it'll sell enough to recoup the dev costs.

Considering that Halo 4 sold 9? million on a install base of 80 million, Halo 5 will be fortunate to reach 2 million on Xbox One.

It'll be the biggest sales flop of the new generation!

Wut. You know that despite far smaller install bases, the PS4 and One usually far outsell the PS3 and 360 respectively on cross gen games? Those smaller install bases are also the early adopting bigger fans who are more likely to buy each company's exclusives.

 

[BigEvilTurtle]

Are these Sprint episodes on YouTube?

 

[Proelite]

Wut. You know that despite far smaller install bases, the PS4 and One usually far outsell the PS3 and 360 respectively on cross gen games? Those smaller install bases are also the early adopting bigger fans who are more likely to buy each company's exclusives.

I understand. But as shown by the lack of interest in Halo on gaf (very few pages in Halo threads), 343 has lost the hardcore fans because of Halo 4. I would not count on significant portions of the Xbox one install base to be interested in Halo 5. They're not even posting in threads about Halo anymore.

 

[VinFTW]

I understand. But as shown by the lack of interest in Halo on gaf (very few pages in Halo threads), 343 has lost the hardcore fans because of Halo 4. I would not count on significant portions of the Xbox one install base to be interested in Halo 5. They're not even posting in threads about Halo anymore.

Just stop lol

 

[Twin Tails]

Are these Sprint episodes on YouTube?

Someone uploaded ep 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-ybYi_mMgM
Uploader will probably upload the rest.

 

[Slightly Live]

343 has lost the hardcore fans because of Halo

Nope. The hardcore fans are last to leave a franchise. It's casual audience that leaves first. They left Halo 4 really quickly.

Halo 5 will still bring the hardcore folks, just less this time around.

 

[RoKKeR]

I understand. But as shown by the lack of interest in Halo on gaf (very few pages in Halo threads), 343 has lost the hardcore fans because of Halo 4. I would not count on significant portions of the Xbox one install base to be interested in Halo 5. They're not even posting in threads about Halo anymore.

I laughed, well done.

Always love a good "game doesn't have lots of posts about it on GAF therefore it won't sell" post.

 

[rokkerkory]

So far i havent seen a 60fps shooter with big scale on XboxOne thats above the 720-792p range...

I really hope they can achieve higher. But i doubt it :/

That's why I am tempering my expectations. 900p60 and I'll be ELATED.

 

[Bessy67]

That's why I am tempering my expectations. 900p60 and I'll be ELATED.

I'd guess it'll be the H2A resolution, whatever that was.

 

[solis74]

http://teambeyond.net/interview-josh-holmes-halo-5-guardians/

 

[BigEvilTurtle]

Someone uploaded ep 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-ybYi_mMgM
Uploader will probably upload the rest.

Thanks!

 

[GECK]

Nope. The hardcore fans are last to leave a franchise. It's casual audience that leaves first. They left Halo 4 really quickly.

Halo 5 will still bring the hardcore folks, just less this time around.

Yeah, H5 multiplayer is definitely better than Destiny's trash PvP. And if you leave Halo for CoD/StarWars, you were never hardcore anyway.

 

[Proelite]

So far i havent seen a 60fps shooter with big scale on XboxOne thats above the 720-792p range...


I really hope they can achieve higher. But i doubt it :/

So far we had
Titanfall:
792p 60fps Built using early SDK, pre-Kinect reservation liberation.

BF4 and BF:H
720p 60fps Built using early SDK, Hardline looked worse than BF4.

COD: AW on Xbox is 1360x1080 to 1920 x 1080p depending on load, compared to 720p of COD:Ghost. AW looks a generation better too.

Metro Redux is 912p 60fps on Xboxone.

Conclusion: Don't draw conclusions from the efforts of other devs.

 

[rrc1594]

Halo is still very popular

http://venturebeat.com/2015/04/03/halo-5s-guardians-ads/

 

[JumPeRJumPzZ]

So far we had
Titanfall:
792p 60fps Built using early SDK, pre-Kinect reservation liberation.

BF4 and BF:H
720p 60fps Built using early SDK, Hardline looked worse than BF4.

COD: AW on Xbox is 1360x1080 to 1920 x 1080p depending on load, compared to 720p of COD:Ghost. AW looks a generation better too.

Metro Redux is 912p 60fps on Xboxone.

Conclusion: Don't draw conclusions from the efforts of other devs.

Kinect reservation wont boost a game from 792p to 900p/1080p.

BF Hardline came out 2 years later and only improved Performance a bit.

CoD AW is not large scale... neither is Metro

I dont think this early SDK stuff has any weight...

So far for example it seems like that StarWars Battlefront will be 900p again on PS4 (some people pixel counted the PS4 footage). Doesnt bode well for the Xbone version.

The FoxEngine, probably still 720p on XboxOne.

Early SDK or not wont change the fact that XboxOne struggles with games that use Deferred Rendering. (Im not sure what frankenstein Source Engine was used for Titanfall)

 

[Proelite]

CoD AW is not large scale... neither is Metro

I dont think this early SDK stuff has any weight...

So far for example it seems like that StarWars Battlefront will be 900p again on PS4. Doesnt bode well for the Xbone version.

The FoxEngine, probably still 720p on XboxOne.

Early SDK or not wont change the fact that XboxOne struggles with games that use Deferred Rendering. (Im not sure what frankenstein Source Engine was used for Titanfall)

COD AW had pretty large sandboxes in the SP.

KI was able to improve the res from 720p to 900p because of SDK improvements, so I absolutely believe that launch / early gen Xbox One games were hampered.

Btw, Halo 5 Guardians uses forward rendering +. I think.

 

[Kibbles]

So far we had
Titanfall:
792p 60fps Built using early SDK, pre-Kinect reservation liberation.

BF4 and BF:H
720p 60fps Built using early SDK, Hardline looked worse than BF4.

COD: AW on Xbox is 1360x1080 to 1920 x 1080p depending on load, compared to 720p of COD:Ghost. AW looks a generation better too.

Metro Redux is 912p 60fps on Xboxone.

Conclusion: Don't draw conclusions from the efforts of other devs.

H2A multiplayer is 1080/60 too.

 

[JumPeRJumPzZ]

H2A multiplayer is 1080/60 too.

H2A is a modified H4 Engine.. aka a X360 Engine.

COD AW had pretty large sandboxes in the SP.

KI was able to improve the res from 720p to 900p because of SDK improvements, so I absolutely believe that launch / early gen Xbox One games were hampered.

Btw, Halo 5 Guardians uses forward rendering +. I think.

If that would be the case, why is the game still so lowres and filled with aliasing?

 

[Dictator93]

H2A is a modified H4 Engine.. aka a X360 Engine.

And looks decidedly worse than the effects quality in the single player H2a.

 

[JumPeRJumPzZ]

And looks decidedly worse than the effects quality in the single player H2a.

I Agree. On top of that the H2A MP struggles a lot with framerate.

And the SP used the Saber Interactive Graphics Layer that was built for the XboxOne. It looked way more modern.

 

[Betty]

I'm assuming there's more to the story, but if they're really going after The mother fucking Master Chief aka saviour of the universe because he decided to go away without asking permission then that's stupendously dumb.

Not stoked on the new enemies, they look pretty dull, and they're bringing back dog type enemies? Really?

This whole premise would've been fine as a spin off like Reach or ODST, but as a mainline title it feels so underwhelming.

All I wanna see is Master Chief go on his next epic adventure, this should be the middle part of a trilogy and instead it feels like they're ignoring most of Halo 4 and starting over with a new narrative, I really don't care for it.

And why subtitle this entry and not the previous one? You had tons of time to plan out this trio of games, why not start the subtitling with 4 instead of 5?

The one good thing is that by seeing Master Chief through Locke's eyes, it does make the Chief look more bad ass, that scene of carnage they come upon at the start for example was a pretty great way to build up the image of Chief.

 

[solis74]

Halo is still very popular

http://venturebeat.com/2015/04/03/halo-5s-guardians-ads/

Course it is

 

[rrc1594]

I'm assuming there's more to the story, but if they're really going after The mother fucking Master Chief aka saviour of the universe because he decided to go away without asking permission then that's stupendously dumb.

Not stoked on the new enemies, they look pretty dull, and they're bringing back dog type enemies? Really?

This whole premise would've been fine as a spin off like Reach or ODST, but as a mainline title it feels so underwhelming.

All I wanna see is Master Chief go on his next epic adventure, this should be the middle part of a trilogy and instead it feels like they're ignoring most of Halo 4 and starting over with a new narrative, I really don't care for it.

And why subtitle this entry and not the previous one? You had tons of time to plan out this trio of games, why not start the subtitling with 4 instead of 5?

The one good thing is that by seeing Master Chief through Locke's eyes, it does make the Chief look more bad ass, that scene of carnage they come upon at the start for example was a pretty great way to build up the image of Chief.

That's not the reason you listen to hunt for the truth it's great build up to Halo 5

 

[Raide]

I'm assuming there's more to the story, but if they're really going after The mother fucking Master Chief aka saviour of the universe because he decided to go away without asking permission then that's stupendously dumb.

Not stoked on the new enemies, they look pretty dull, and they're bringing back dog type enemies? Really?

This whole premise would've been fine as a spin off like Reach or ODST, but as a mainline title it feels so underwhelming.

All I wanna see is Master Chief go on his next epic adventure, this should be the middle part of a trilogy and instead it feels like they're ignoring most of Halo 4 and starting over with a new narrative, I really don't care for it.

And why subtitle this entry and not the previous one? You had tons of time to plan out this trio of games, why not start the subtitling with 4 instead of 5?

The one good thing is that by seeing Master Chief through Locke's eyes, it does make the Chief look more bad ass, that scene of carnage they come upon at the start for example was a pretty great way to build up the image of Chief.

Check out the Hunt the Truth episodes. Really helps fill in some info in readiness for Halo 5.

 

[wittengstein]

Yeah, I doubt it'll sell enough to recoup the dev costs.

Considering that Halo 4 sold 9? million on a install base of 80 million, Halo 5 will be fortunate to reach 2 million on Xbox One.

It'll be the biggest sales flop of the new generation!

It's going to be fun quoting you in October NPD thread when Halo 5 sells 3 million in 3 days and Greenberg trolls people like you with his usual 'Halo sold more than all the Sony first party games combined' tweet.

 

[Black Mantis]

I understand. But as shown by the lack of interest in Halo on gaf (very few pages in Halo threads), 343 has lost the hardcore fans because of Halo 4. I would not count on significant portions of the Xbox one install base to be interested in Halo 5. They're not even posting in threads about Halo anymore.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1013902&highlight=huntthetruth&page=170

 

[PooBone]

no offense, but i always found this to be among the silliest things to complain about in halo 4

Then you probably don't replay the campaign as often as I do/did.

 

[solis74]

Check out the Hunt the Truth episodes. Really helps fill in some info in readiness for Halo 5.

plus its brilliant!

 

[PooBone]

I really like the Hunt The Truth episodes. But of course no one actually thinks the MC is a bad guy. If the goal was to convince people that Master Chief has turned evil.... well.... that's impossible.

 

[Betty]

Check out the Hunt the Truth episodes. Really helps fill in some info in readiness for Halo 5.

That's not the reason you listen to hunt for the truth it's great build up to Halo 5

I see, still hope the reason is told in game early on but it's good they're fleshing out the story in some way.

 

[op_ivy]

Then you probably don't replay the campaign as often as I do/did.

Probably 5 or 6 times. It wasn't and isn't a big deal.

 

[PooBone]

Probably 5 or 6 times. It wasn't and isn't a big deal.

I played through 5 or 6 times the first month. I really miss the stylings of the older games in that regard, especially in the MCC where it stands in such contrast.

I'm glad it doesn't bother you.

 

[LordOfChaos]

I understand. But as shown by the lack of interest in Halo on gaf (very few pages in Halo threads), 343 has lost the hardcore fans because of Halo 4. I would not count on significant portions of the Xbox one install base to be interested in Halo 5. They're not even posting in threads about Halo anymore.

These are just a smattering of the halo threads I've personally followed on Gaf, among more that I've probably missed

58 pages on the lore thread
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=809026&page=58

Info dump worth another 18
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=167807343&highlight=#post167807343

Spartans feature, another six
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1061402

And the teeny tiny Hunt the Truth thread, worth a teeny tiny 170 pages
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1013902&page=170

If page count is the benchmark for a games success, Halo is doing ok. Not that that is the benchmark for it.

The only thing is we're spread through so many threads, you just picked one of the smallest ones to judge.

 

[iMax]

 

[shrek]

By that logic Shenmue is more popular than Halo lol.

 

[Hockeymac18]

Halo is still very popular

http://venturebeat.com/2015/04/03/halo-5s-guardians-ads/

Xbox channel videos:
Locke live action (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHQiYPiNVEE): ~7.82 million views
Master Chief live action (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rd8FWUCCZk): ~3.32 million views

GamesHQMedia videos:
Locke live action (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ht7pwc_LIrc): ~1.46 million views
Master Chief live action (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCZWQSjEv-o): ~1.26 million views

Clearly there's no interest.

 

[Glass]

It's easy to forget since everything is E3 right now, but a few days before Game Informer had the big reveal on Halo 5. Which spanned a bunch of threads. It literally covered all the main talking points that would have sprung from E3, such as squad commands, who the hell the spartans were, multiple paths, healing wounded team mates, story lines etc.

The threads spanning hundreds of pages were the shock announcements or first reveals, the ones which didn't have lots of concrete information but rather were unquantifiable, intangible games, out there in the ethers of your imagination where hype levels are set to infinity, where the proof is still a way off from being in the pudding.

Halo 5 on the other hand, you could pop over the show floor and play yourself.

 

[Dynasty8]

Gaf losing interest in Halo? Not at all.

In regards to this week, obviously it's E3. The main attractions on GAF during this time are almost always the new reveals.

I remember in December of last year... I was an avid poster on the Halo 5 beta thread. That thing was moving really fast and the general consensus was positive.

 

[op_ivy]

By that logic Shenmue is more popular than Halo lol.

look at all the excitement that generated! not to mention, ps4's installed base woldwide is much higher, shenmue III is sure to outsell halo 5 easily.

 

[Proelite]

It's going to be fun quoting you in October NPD thread when Halo 5 sells 3 million in 3 days and Greenberg trolls people like you with his usual 'Halo sold more than all the Sony first party games combined' tweet.

g / h * x * c * b

where

g is number of gaffers who posted in Halo threads,
h is the percent of Halo fans that are gaffers that post in halo threads
x is the percent of those that own Xbox One
c is the variable coefficient c indicating hype after meh E3 reveal

200 / 0.0001 * .8 * 1.1 = 1,760,000 copies top.

 

[TheLostBigBoss]

That's not the reason you listen to hunt for the truth it's great build up to Halo 5

Or we can tell the the game story in a single medium to get the whole story.

I love extended fiction, but ffs it's EXTENDED. I'm telling you, Halo 4 fucked up royally with having Spartan Ops not be an introduction of Blue Team and their importance to MC and the universe at large.

Now everyone who has only played the games are going to be like, "Who the fuck are these guys, where they hell were they four games ago!?"

 

[VinFTW]

g / h * x * c * b

where

g is number of gaffers who posted in Halo threads,
h is the percent of Halo fans that are gaffers that post in halo threads
x is the percent of those that own Xbox One
c is the variable coefficient c indicating hype after meh E3 reveal

200 / 0.0001 * .8 * 1.1 = 1,760,000 copies top.

This is definitely a troll

 

[Princess Carl]

Halo is still very popular

http://venturebeat.com/2015/04/03/halo-5s-guardians-ads/

The xbox live charts have been saying otherwise for a long time.

 

[shrek]

The xbox live charts have been saying otherwise for a long time.

Then what do the sales figures say?

 

[uncledonnie]

This thread needs to be bookmarked for October/November NPDs. There may be more crow served here than the old backwards compatibility thread.

 

[TheOctodad]

Not trying to start anything, but I do know a lot of people who have abandoned their Halo fandom. I started following Halo when they showed at at the Macworld expo and was a huge fan as a kid. I met a ton of my online buddies in Halo 2 multiplayer. We have been gaming together ever since across Halo 2, 3, Reach, and 4. But 4 soured us and the Xbox one situation led most of them to the PS4. Most of them are too casual to purchase both consoles and they are content. Additionally, paying online for two ecosystems makes it really unattractive. I'd says this is the case for 8 or so of the 10 guys I play with regularly.

I think Halo 5 looks intriguing. But i do think the draw it used to have is not as strong. It used to be the only game of its kind on console and the original trilogy had a defined story that was easy to jump into. The story is kind of too much for the casual person to be drawn into and the features (at least externally) aren't enough for a lot of people to jump ship from the PS4. Personally, the people I knew that switched to PS4 knew they were leaving Halo behind, but Halo 4 made that easier for a lot of them. It's not that any of them actively hate Halo now, it's just not a big draw either.

I hope that doesn't come across as unfairly diminishing Halo 5 at all. I don't want to make it sound like I'm starting a fan war. Just thought I'd offer a differing perspective from a former Halo fanboy (and still a little bit of one at heart. It looks nice and if I had an X1 if definitely pick it up. But it's not blowing my mind like the first time I picked up the OG Halo. And it's not unique enough to make me want to abandon a PS4 right now.

 

[solis74]

Some old fans leave and new fans jump on board, this is gaming.

 

[uncledonnie]

Some old fans leave and new fans jump on board, this is gaming.

Right. No doubt some old fans have left but I think some people have amnesia about the the MS Halo marketing machine. Arguably there has been no better marketing in gaming, so to think the game will not sell extremely well and pick up new players seems bonkers to me.

 

[TheOctodad]

Some old fans leave and new fans jump on board, this is gaming.

This is true. Not trying to be doom and gloom at all. That said, I do think the large amount for 360 gamers that moved to PS4 and the fact that Halo is an older franchise that has struggled to find as clear of identity as it previously had in the Halo2/3 days has led to a slightly reduced interest. Not saying it won't be successful at all, but just that it's not the only kid on the block like it used to be.

 

[VRMN]

This is true. Not trying to be doom and gloom at all. That said, I do think the large amount for 360 gamers that moved to PS4 and the fact that Halo is an older franchise that has struggled to find as clear of identity as it previously had in the Halo2/3 days has led to a slightly reduced interest. Not saying it won't be successful at all, but just that it's not the only kid on the block like it used to be.

It's not the only kid on the block, but the biggest, more ardent fans are still there. And still, to this day, Microsoft's Halo marketing is the best in the industry. The game is still the biggest gun Microsoft has. It's not the biggest franchise in gaming anymore, but it will do its numbers and get some people to buy a console for it.