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I'm really disappointed in Illusory Revelations#FE (SMTxFE)

Hylian7

Member
After seeing what we knew as Shin Megami Tensei x Fire Emblem come back as "Illusory Revelations#FE" at that Nintendo Direct, I was happy to see the game alive again after a few years. The trailer showed brief snippets of gameplay, and it looked like it might be a good mix of the franchises. Some elements of the trailer were a bit too weird and I had reservations about, but I figured I would probably like what I would see at E3.

Then E3 came, and after watching the Treehouse demo...man I'm disappointed.

Here's my main issue with it: I wish Nintendo and Atlus were at least honest that this would be more like Persona x Fire Emblem rather than SMT x Fire Emblem. I personally count the Persona series as one of those "on the fringe" games that's maybe, maybe not part of SMT, but more leaning toward not an SMT game. Even in Japan, the Persona games never used the SMT labelling, and the only reason the US versions used to was just to throw a recognizable brand on them. The only real connection they have to SMT is that the Personas pull from Kaneko's demon designs.

When I watched the demo of the game, they were talking about how characters become pop stars to awaken their "Performa" or something like that. At that point I was just like "Seriously? Ugh!" This idea isn't bad in and of itself, but then the fact that the game seems like it takes the more "High school drama" approach rather than the "apocalypse and occult" approach says a lot about it already.

I don't hate Persona games, I'm just kind of frustrated with Atlus focusing so much more attention on them now rather than real SMT games. Stuff like Strange Journey, SMTIV, I LOVED those games. They were excellent, and I'm sure they will still continue to release games like that, but it definitely feels like they are taking a wayside to Persona, and sadly that problem has crept into SMTxFE too, as it's hardly Shin Megami Tensei at all.

There were some things I liked seeing in the demo, like the way the Fire Emblem characters were implemented was pretty cool, such as Anna running a convenience store. I also liked how the "faces in the crowd" people were just single color silhouettes. It made the game look really cool.

The main thing that disappoints me, and the final game could prove me wrong about this, is that it looks like there will be no "demon invasion", no demon summoning, apocalypse, or anything like that. More of the game will be told through dialogue rather than the environments, which was something the Shin Megami Tensei games always did particularly well. Nocturne did this the best, but I also liked the way Strange Journey and SMTIV did it as well.

All in all, after E3, my interest in this game just kind of faded away when I saw that it looks like it's going to be a Persona-esque high school drama game. Am I alone in this?
 

Afrocious

Member
I personally don't find the idol stuff appealing, but some do.

I do love Persona 3 and 4, so I'm probably the worst person to comment.
 

Sou Da

Member
I stopped caring after the first trailer honestly. The high school setting makes em loads of money so they're going to continue pushing out games with it I guess.
 
I don't like the idol stuff but I like Atlus games and For SMT fans persona would've had the same reaction,
Are you turning SMT into a teenager dating sim!!???
 
With the team behind it, the game could be about anything and I'd still play it.


I think this game will end up being pretty good, actually. The Treehouse part of the game was pretty nice.
 
The main thing that disappoints me, and the final game could prove me wrong about this, is that it looks like there will be no "demon invasion", no demon summoning, apocalypse, or anything like that. More of the game will be told through dialogue rather than the environments, which was something the Shin Megami Tensei games always did particularly well. Nocturne did this the best, but I also liked the way Strange Journey and SMTIV did it as well.


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I suspect there is more to this game than it seems
 
I don't mind at all that it's Persona-flavoured (as I never had any attachment to main-line SMT anyway). What I mind is that by all appearances it's only Fire Emblem in the most superficial sense.
 

_woLf

Member
Honestly the trailers did the game a disservice, everything about the live action gameplay they showed during the Treehouse sold me on the game.

To each their own, I guess. Can't wait to play it.
 

Astral Dog

Member
Probably some kind of apocalypse will happen,seen in a short scene at the first trailer.

As always people will say it does not look like Persona or that neither FE or SMT exist on the game, but its going be there, just subtle, its just going to be its own thing. Atlus said the main Shin Megami Tensei themes are going to be on the game.
 

DVCY201

Member
Mm, I'll still grab it probably. The pedigree behind it is great, so even if the aesthetic isn't the usual SMT, the gameplay should be (hopefully).

Also the Persona comparisons are hilarious. It doesn't look anything like Persona too me, but oh well.
 

Sou Da

Member
For the record I don't the pop star stuff so much as I do the high school stuff. It's the "Based of Europe's middle ages" of urban fantasy to me.
 

Regiruler

Member
We were given a quick pitch, and it was 2 years of silence.

It's whatever. I don't like the FE brand and don't like this style of game, so it's an easy skip.
 

Hugstable

Banned
I'm excited for the game a bit, still have to see more. Idol theme doesn't really bother me as it seems like there still may be more to the game outside of that. The gameplay looks pretty good though and the dungeons look fun and that's what has me still keeping my eye on it.

The only real connection they have to SMT is that the Personas pull from Kaneko's demon designs.

lol there is much more than the demons. Demons, pretty much all the Spells, Fusion, main character death results in game over. There is probably more stuff that I'm forgetting about, but the connection is definitely there.

(Also isn't the Once Again persona battle system just a variation of Nocturne's Press Turn in a way?)
 
I liked what I saw.
Actually made me finally play the Persona games.

I can see people being dissapointed with what was shown.

I too thought this game would be a "Clash of the Worlds" type of thing where SMT and FE characters joined forces to stop some evil FE dude with his SMT demos arma from taking over the world or something.

But I can still dig the game how it is now.
Best thing for me was how man songs there are in the game and that music seems to be a very important thing story-wise, which always makes me happy.
 

Hylian7

Member
But it's not called SMT x FE. What part of the title is dishonest to you?

Maybe it's just my own personal bias, but when the game was originally announced it was called SMTxFE, showed static artwork of characters like Demifiend, Flynn, some Fire Emblem characters, etc. While at that time, the game probably existed as not much more than drawings on a napkin, I am kind of disappointed that it really changed direction. Also, didn't Nintendo still refer to it as SMTxFE in the direct it was revealed as what it is now?

I suspect there is more to this game than it seems

I really hope that is the case, although at the same time I am afraid that might turn into some "mirage" sequence or something.
 
I'm so confused by all the hatred for this game here, when it seems like gaf has pretty big Persona fan base... How is this worse than that?

I think it looks cool, and hopefully will be fun.
 
It is SMTxFE. The game is combining aspects from both series to make a new original game. I know a lot of people were disappointed because it was the edgy SMT game they wanted, but it honestly looks fine. The SMT stuff is in there clearly from the destroyed Tokyo from the trailer and the enemy and character designs like Chrom. While people are right that Persona is technically not a SMT title it's kind of splitting hairs at that point.

I would have been disappointed if they gave us a crossover with all the characters from both franchises and made them fight together against some random big-bad. This is interesting and new.
 

Hylian7

Member
I still don't get what this game has to do with Fire Emblem.

From what we have seen so far, Fire Emblem characters are inserted into the game in various places. For instance, Anna always ran the shops in the FE series, and she is seen in a convenience store in the game. The E3 Trailer showed Tiki, the Manakete as a pop star, which this in itself really bothers me.

I'm excited for the game a bit, still have to see more. Idol theme doesn't really bother me as it seems like there still may be more to the game outside of that. The gameplay looks pretty good though and the dungeons look fun and that's what has me still keeping my eye on it.



lol there is much more than the demons. Demons, pretty much all the Spells, Fusion, main character death results in game over. There is probably more stuff that I'm forgetting about, but the connection is definitely there.

Yeah, I forgot to mention that stuff, but at the end of the day, Persona is definitely not really SMT. There's no apocalypse, everything is high school drama, so much that high school drama makes you stronger in battle.
 
I'm with you OP, it sucks that this game looks more like persona.

But as long as there are no boring stuff like social links, I'm still gonna play it.
 

Hugstable

Banned
Yeah, I forgot to mention that stuff, but at the end of the day, Persona is definitely not really SMT. There's no apocalypse, everything is high school drama, so much that high school drama makes you stronger in battle.

Yeah theme and setting wise, they are both completely different beasts haha.
 
This is Persona x Awakening, or the most superficial part of FE(awakening artists work on older FE characters...and not doing a good job with it)

Actually I don't mind high school drama if it's well done, but from what I know it is not.
 

SoulUnison

Banned
With SMT's reputation for religious symbolism and dark imagery + Fire Emblem's decently weighty tactics and Perma-Death, I expected something fairly subdued and thoughtful.

Colorful Pop Idol Persona Tactics-Lite feels like a waste of what'll probably be a once-in-a-lifetime team-up.

I feel like this game could have been made without the Fire Emblem "references" and nothing would have been lost.
 
As a fan of Fire Emblem Awakening and Persona 3/4, I'm super pumped for it.
If your a SMT fan, the dungeon crawling is back and you just got the latest main installment not too long ago. It's a lot less like any FE game, but the cameos should appeal to long term fans and there's a traditional SRPG coming out next year as well.
I would've been disappointed if Atlus made something more akin to Devil Survivor on Wii U than a dungeon crawling JRPG.
I've fully embraced Performa U
It's Atlus JRPG on consoles, you don't get that often even if persona 5 is coming soon
 

Darth_Caedus

No longer canonical
I'm excited for it because I just see it as a new Atlus ip. And I'm into idol stuff so that sold me too.

I do agree that Atlus and IS need to give more love to their other games like SMT and not making Fire Emblem into the hot mess it is now.
 

Afrocious

Member
With SMT's reputation for religious symbolism and dark imagery + Fire Emblem's decently weighty tactics and Perma-Death, I expected something fairly subdued and thoughtful.

Colorful Pop Idol Persona Tactics-Lite feels like a waste of what'll probably be a once-in-a-lifetime team-up.

I feel like this game could have been made without the Fire Emblem "references" and nothing would have been lost.

Indeed. I definitely see nothing related to Fire Emblem aside from the names and the attack typings.

I figured we'd get some tactical stuff with grids and terrains, but nooooo
 

Astral Dog

Member
It may be more serious than it appears,the demo does have some creepy stuff.

no im not talking about the fanservice :p
 
At first I was really disappointed that it wasn't SMTXFE but now it's just a whole different title. But whatever!! IDOLS

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Seriously though, I'm really skeptical about this game. I don't want SMT fans to lower their quality expectations.


I'm excited for it because I just see it as a new Atlus ip. And I'm into idol stuff so that sold me too.

I do agree that Atlus and IS need to give more love to their other games like SMT and not making Fire Emblem into the hot mess it is now.

It has Fire Emblem characters, this is a Nintendo IP with Atlus serving as the dev.
 

Moonlight

Banned
People who think the game is 'Persona' have a really superficial understanding of what Persona is actually like, or are otherwise applying DAN to the series as a whole. Barely anything that #FE has demonstrated has any actual similarities between it and Persona aside from being in a 'modern high school setting' and having a more strongly anime-esque aesthetic, which the series proper is not a stranger to either.

It's not like SMT has some ancient rule that says it can't allow high school characters in a high school setting.

Yeah, I forgot to mention that stuff, but at the end of the day, Persona is definitely not really SMT. There's no apocalypse, everything is high school drama, so much that high school drama makes you stronger in battle.
you realize that literally 4 out of 5 persona games involve the apocalypse right

four of those five make the end of the world a major thematic component of their plots
 

Fbh

Member
Yep, as someone who likes both Fire Emblem and SMT this was easily one of the most dissapointing game reveals I've ever seen. And after what they showed at E3 it keeps looking less appealing to me.

It's like a Persona that's trying really hard to include everything I don't want in a JRPG.
Atlus should have made a real SMTXFE and worked on this as a new VITA ip.

I don't like the idol stuff but I like Atlus games and For SMT fans persona would've had the same reaction,
Are you turning SMT into a teenager dating sim!!???

I don't know.
I love SMT but I don't mind Persona that much (I'm actually hyped for Persona 5).
Had this just looked like Persona + FE it would have been dissapointing but still rather interesting.

But they are pushing the whole idol thing way too much for my taste. I think they were even calling it a "Jpop RPG" at E3
 
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Jotamide

Unconfirmed Member
The Treehouse demo is actually what sold me on the game. Press Turn is a god-tier battle system, this FE-flavored remix looks awesome.

But I agree that the game could use less cleavage and crotch zippers.
 

kiryogi

Banned
Yep, as someone who likes both Fire Emblem and SMT this was easily one of the most dissapointing game reveals I've ever seen. And after what they showed at E3 it keeps looking less appealing to me.

It's like a Persona that's trying really hard to include everything I don't want in a JRPG.
Atlus should have made a real SMTXFE and worked on this as a new VITA ip.



I don't know.
I love SMT but I don't mind Persona that much (I'm actually hyped for Persona 5).
Had this just looked like Persona + FE it would have been dissapointing but still rather interesting.

But they are pushing the whole idol thing way too much for my taste. I think they were even calling it a "Jpop RPG" at E3

From Gamespot Interview:

"This is why the characters are all entertainers: in Japan, similar to Greek mythology, there's the idea of the gods being connected to the arts," Takada said. "It's a shamanistic element that's been interpreted by Atlus. The idea is, Japanese priestesses would dance and the dancing would bring them closer to the gods. We wanted to spin this in an Atlus way, so all the characters in the game have some connection to the arts, and that connection and their ability to express themselves attracts the Mirages to them. People who are good at singing or dancing or acting have really strong bonds with Mirages."

Also good reading for the OP and whoever:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1066707
 
I really can't see myself turning around about this game at this point. The idol stuff seems pretty unbearable to me and the Treehouse stream didn't change my mind about that. I just can't take the aesthetic. As a big SMT and FE man, it kinda sucks that I can't enjoy their cross-over game.

People who think the game is 'Persona' have a really superficial understanding of what Persona is actually like, or are otherwise applying DAN to the series as a whole.

It's not like SMT has some ancient rule that says it can't allow high school characters in a high school setting.

And yeah, this. The theme and setting are barely comparable to Persona 3 and 4. I find it confusing that people keep making that comparison.
 
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