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That's what I'm saying. Better lead roles for Asian men in Western media. All we basically have right now is old martial artists and John Cho. Compare that to the infinite cavalcade of caucasian gods (literally in Chris Hemsworth's case) adorning our screens, billboards, and cereal boxes.

I know the population of Asians in America is a smaller percentage than other minorities, but that doesn't mean there should be literally 0 east Asian male movie stars. The simulacrum plays a big role, guys.

 

[voodoojohn]

Naw, he already wrote that he was pissed I dismissed his horribly expressed opinion about Asian people being feminine, without giving him the serious consideration he feels he is entitled to. I, however, do not subscribe to the "there's no such thing as a stupid question" school of thought, and he felt that was because of my gender rather than my personality.

You were intentionally rude because I was unintentionally brusque. You don't have the authority to say when someone's speech is too frank, so keep your meanness to yourself.

 

[AnathemicOne]

While I do agree that the problem of the asian male being de-masculinized within western culture exists with only the media perpetuating said problem, I myself rarely see this problem and only really derive said problem exists with hearsay.

Personally, as an asian male, I find it easier to date asian ethnicities though this might be due to primarily living in California (ie, where alot of Asian Americans live) where asians tend to bond more with, well, other asians. Not to mention most asian friends I have most of the time also date other asians barring one who has only dated white women his entire life.

But yeah, blah blah, anecdotal and shit, but even so I'm not unaware to the problem existing even I personally haven't experienced/seen it.

Edit: To clarify, the problem most definitely exists and I can see how it came to be. I personally haven't encountered it due to my social circles.

On a further note, regarding western media, I feel that in order to get rid of the stereotypical "silly asian male", it will have to do with asian communties first taking more proactive stances addressing the problem which I forsee to be difficult considering asian culture is known for humbleness and respect, much to asian americans' detriment regarding this particular problem.

 

[Ratrat]

Have people considered the aversion may come from men?

Asian women don't have the same pressure of bringing back a nice Asian wife and take care of their parents/business. Don't Asian American men have the highest average income? If they REALLY wanted to marry outside their race it shouldn't be a huge problem.

 

[voodoojohn]

Have people considered the aversion may come from men?

Asian women don't have the same pressure of bringing back a nice Asian wife and take care of their parents/business. Don't Asian American men have the highest average income? If they REALLY wanted to marry outside their race it shouldn't be a huge problem.

I imagine Asian men have less desire to date outside their race since their female counterparts are already the most superficially feminine out there. And men are generally superficial.

(Assuming they're honest with themselves and not seeking social proof, etc...)

 

[Ratrat]

No?

& income is not the end-all for what women look for in marriage/dating ._.

(& plenty of Asian women are told to bring back a nice Asian man, but there are also plenty of people that buy into white supremacy and want their daughters to marry white men for supposed prestige. Not that there's anything wrong with interracial marriages, but when that's the reasoning given it really gives me the creeps.)

Maybe?, but given our patriarchal society, it's easier for a girl to tell her family to eff off as she is marrying into another family. A son, along with the family name would usually be expected to take care of his parents and the house etc...

Anyway, haven't read the whole thread but, is there any data regarding interracial marriage among Asian americans? In Asia, I think men generally marry outside of their race much more than women.

I imagine Asian men have less desire to date outside their race since their female counterparts are already the most superficially feminine out there. And men are generally superficial.

(Assuming they're honest with themselves and not seeking social proof, etc...)

There's that, but I think it might be more of a cultural thing. I don't know, unless your adopted or whatever your likely going to have a strong Asian background, it's just easier to date someone similar.

 

[YesNOnoNOYes]

I imagine Asian men have less desire to date outside their race since their female counterparts are already the most superficially feminine out there. And men are generally superficial.

(Assuming they're honest with themselves and not seeking social proof, etc...)

You keep spinning this anecdotal opinions of yours, banding about the connotation of femininity with the Asian race, and specially with its masculine gender, as if pretending you are innocently unaware how the contrast might hurt fellow forum male gaffers of Asian descent. Not to mention.... wtf are you even saying about the other races????? Black women are not as superficially feminine as Asian men? What is it are you even establishing with this?????

Shine on, you special diamond.

Oh, and as for bolded part, your imagination is not quite required, seeing that 1) we have asian male posters offering their actual points of view without imagining things and 2) your bias is showing way too hard.

 

[Ratrat]

I kind of agree that this constant 'not sexy', 'too feminine' mantra as the sole reason Asian American men appear to not date outside of their race is damaging and misleading. There are many reasons.

 

[AnathemicOne]

I imagine Asian men have less desire to date outside their race since their female counterparts are already the most superficially feminine out there. And men are generally superficial.

(Assuming they're honest with themselves and not seeking social proof, etc...)

Sure, I like asian women, I also find white women to be attractive and they get blasted on the media even more with superficialness!

Brah, not every asian female is going to be blessed with KPop/JPop good looks (not sure if people even want that in the practical sense) and calling men out in being superficial is broad as fuck and is in no way exclusive to asian males.

 

[voodoojohn]

You keep spinning this anecdotal opinions of yours, banding about the connotation of femininity with the Asian race, and specially with its masculine gender, as if pretending you are innocently unaware how the contrast might hurt fellow forum male gaffers of Asian descent. Not to mention.... wtf are you even saying about the other races????? Black women are not as superficially feminine as Asian men? What is it are you even establishing with this?????

Shine on, you special diamond.

Oh, and as for bolded part, your imagination is not quite required, seeing that 1) we have asian male posters offering their actual points of view without imagining things and 2) your bias is showing way too hard.

Well I don't think our bodies define who we are as people, so Asian men should not take offense. I know it's just my opinion, but I really think disagreeing with it is denying something pretty self-evident for the sake of not rocking the boat.

Sure, I like asian women, I also find white women to be attractive and they get blasted on the media even more with superficialness!

Brah, not every asian female is going to be blessed with KPop/JPop good looks (not sure if people even want that in the practical sense) and calling men out in being superficial is broad as fuck and is in no way exclusive to asian males.

I know I'm generalizing, but I do think they speak to broader trends... which is what we're discussing here.

 

[YesNOnoNOYes]

Well I don't think our bodies define who we are as people, so Asian men should not take offense. I know it's just my opinion, but I really think disagreeing with it is denying something pretty self-evident for the sake of not rocking the boat.

Disagreeing with your opinion ( that Asian men are superficially feminine ) = denying self-evident truth??????




HAHAHAHAHA XD omg ... I think we're not in kansas anymore, folks

 

[voodoojohn]

Disagreeing with your opinion ( that Asian men are superficially feminine ) = denying self-evident truth??????




HAHAHAHAHA XD omg ... I think we're not in kansas anymore, folks

I understand it's bold to say, but that's my opinion.

 

[Klyka]

I feel all this thread needs now to really take off is someone posting an article about "herbivore males"

 

[YesNOnoNOYes]

I understand it's bold to say, but that's my opinion.

Is okay. I just hope you know that disagreeing with an opinion is not quite denial of self evident truths, is all.

Cuz the truth is that your opinions are subjective, bro. Opinions are .... well, opinions. They are subjective notions carried by individuals and they reflect back against the speakers' values. And yours really speak volumes on your biased perceptions against Asian males.

I really had a good laugh, though. Very thanks

 

[AnathemicOne]

Well I don't think our bodies define who we are as people, so Asian men should not take offense. I know it's just my opinion, but I really think disagreeing with it is denying something pretty self-evident for the sake of not rocking the boat.


I know I'm generalizing, but I do think they speak to broader trends... which is what we're discussing here.

Sure? Again, broad trends are broad as fuck and are not exclusive to asians in particular... which this thread so happens to deal with.

"Asian males only dating asian females 'cause pretty because most guys do it" doesn't come off as a critically thought of opinion.

 

[Ratrat]

(As an anecdote, no, it's not necessarily easier for a girl to tell her family to fuck off. & as far as Chinese culture goes, it is the son's wife that is expected to physically take care of his parents and the house chores, etc. It is true, that the daughter is considered to follow her husband, and in that sense it's the "son" that takes care of the son's parents... but that's just financially. This is more of an in-Asia thing. The attitude may have persisted through immigrant parents to kids, but many American/westernized kids reject this notion.)

That seems like another good reason to marry someone similar to your parents. And yeah, I guess it depends on the household. I thought it could be a factor worth bringing up though.

There are statistics for what you asked.

Asian Americans of both genders who are U.S.-raised are much more likely to be married to Whites than their non-U.S.-raised counterparts. Of all the Asian American groups studied, Indian Americans showed the highest rates of endogamy, with the overwhelming majority of Indian American women and men marrying Indian American partners. Indian Americans were also the only Asian American group with higher outmarriage for men, whereas all other Asian American groups had higher outmarriage for women.[14] A 1998 Washington Post article states 36% of young Asian Pacific American men born in the United States married White women, and 45% of U.S.-born Asian Pacific American women took White husbands during the year of publication.[15]

[wikipedia]

45% is a lot but 36% isn't that far behind considering the bad rep Asian men seem to have.
I think most people would agree that with Indian Americans it's a cultural thing and not so much an aesthetic thing.
Weirdly, with Asian men it's always just about how ugly they are or undesirable they are to women or something.

I feel all this thread needs now to really take off is someone posting an article about "herbivore males"

That's a Japanese thing.
So it's completely irrelevant to the thread.

 

[Trident]

I understand it's bold to say, but that's my opinion.

What are the objective superficial characteristics of masculinity and femininity that you're referring to?

 

[voodoojohn]

Ok, it's my opinion, and you disagreeing does not mean you're in denial. But taking such offense to me thinking one race generally looks more feminine than others speaks more to your values than mine, I think.

 

[AnathemicOne]

Ok, it's my opinion, and you disagreeing does not mean you're in denial. But taking such offense to me thinking one race generally looks more feminine than others speaks more to your values than mine, I think.

Well I don't think our bodies define who we are as people, so Asian men should not take offense. I know it's just my opinion, but I really think disagreeing with it is denying something pretty self-evident for the sake of not rocking the boat.

I can't...

 

[YesNOnoNOYes]

Ok, it's my opinion, and you disagreeing does not mean you're in denial. But taking such offense to me thinking one race generally looks more feminine than others speaks more to your values than mine, I think.

Well I sure hope so. I'm East Asian by descent and your opinion, I find it a bit ignorant, since it's directed against my kin and so I do hope it reflects back at me and I do hope it shows that I find Asian males not to espouse this alleged superficial femininity that you assign so eagerly on them.

I find Asian males various and individual, rich with different complexities that makes them human beings, just like any other person of any skin colours. Sure, I dont quite find them an archetype of a Viking Thunder God, but that archetype should not be the be-all-and-end-all to the idea of 'masculinity'.

For example, I find the ideas of old school Samurais to be very masculine and appealing - even if they are not built like a superhero, they still do not strike me as feminine at all.

What makes you think Asian males are superficially feminine, anyway? You never quite explained the roots of your opinions.

 

[voodoojohn]

Well I sure hope so. I'm East Asian by descent and your opinion, I find it a bit ignorant, since it's directed against my kin and so I do hope it reflects back at me and I do hope it shows that I find Asian males not to espouse this alleged superficial femininity that you assign so eagerly on them.

I find Asian males various and individual, rich with different complexities that makes them human beings, just like any other person of any skin colours. Sure, I dont quite find them an archetype of a Viking Thunder God, but that archetype should not be the be-all-and-end-all to the idea of 'masculinity'.

For example, I find the ideas of old school Samurais to be very masculine and appealing - even if they are not built like a superhero, they still do not strike me as feminine at all.

What makes you think Asian males are superficially feminine, anyway? You never quite explained the roots of your opinions.

I think you're reading some intent in my posts that isn't there. I don't look like the guy in my avatar and I do not believe ones physique or facial features defines their masculinity.

 

[YesNOnoNOYes]

I cant see avatars. I'm on metered connections. I browse GAF with images ALL OFF

........

THE HORROR

Edit: What's your avatar???

 

[voodoojohn]

Josh Homme, rock musician. He's of Nordic descent.

 

[YesNOnoNOYes]

Josh Homme, rock musician. He's of Nordic descent.

Oh cool! Rock musicians are cool~ ... I donno him though :< Google time

 

[KarneeKarnay]

I've never had a problem with race. I've dated from all groups OP mentioned, but I've seen some weird responses from women I've dated/been with.

I went out with a black woman from one of my uni classes and the day afterwards, in bed she mentioned how she rarely goes out with white guys and really wanted to settle down with her black boyfriend...

Another instance was a white female friend of mine who went out excursively with Black guys, but really wants to settle down with a white guy.

Aside from some really creepy dudes at Uni who had a fetish over Asian women and one black mate who said that black women are too much of a hassle, most of the time it's not the men who have a problem with race.

 

[teacupcopter]

I'm white, marrying a Malaysian Born Chinese Australian woman in about 3 months.

Her parents hated me for years, now kind of accept me

The culture clash was real, and looking back I put up with a lot of shit from them that I wouldn't do now.

 

[gconsole]

The question is, "why," though. Why might this be true. Also, I disagree with your assertion that there's no other reason besides for how white men physically look. Not everyone is that shallow.

As an aside: I told my partner this, too... Hitler sure did a number on what people consider to be "white." A lot of people think Aryan looks mean white now.

Hmm surely it doesnt apply to everyone. But tell me if asian woman will go for poor old fat white guy?

 

[YesNOnoNOYes]

Josh Homme, rock musician. He's of Nordic descent.

googled! he seems cool but no, i mentioned the viking thunder god because of me own old post in the thread earlier.

also, you never expand on what makes you think asian men are superficially feminine??????

 

[shanshan310]

I was really planning on leaving this thread, but I must reiterate that I said East Asians are "superficially" feminine, and this matters because people are, unfortunately, superficial. I'm sure if Asian guys found a niche in Western society where they could be comfortable being themselves, they would easily become sex symbols despite the superficial "handicap." I have personally seen a number of cool/hot Asian dudes in Asia, who I imagine come off as cool/hot because they have positive qualities, they recognize they have those qualities, and they're not ashamed to act natural. It's just hard to do that and still feel safe and accepted in potentially hostile (foreign) territory.

I subjectively find the feminine figure to be more appealing and think we could all actually use less mass, more efficiency, and longevity anyway. I know I know, perhaps this does sound evo-psych, but I'm just being frank.

Im not sure I quite understand what you mean by "superficially feminine". Do you mean physically? Would you mind explaining a bit?

 

[Condom]

On some points we have to accept that too many humans lack the mental processing power to analyse their own thought patterns when it comes to race. It's a lost cause, maybe the next generation is capable.

 

[Shuggananas]

It's a lost cause, maybe the next generation is capable.

Said every generation ever

 

[Condom]

Said every generation ever

Well we gotta keep some hope lol

 

[Ratrat]

Im not sure I quite understand what you mean by "superficially feminine". Do you mean physically? Would you mind explaining a bit?

Generally shorter, less body hair, less angular features etc. The stereotypes are well known.

 

[Siphorus]

Eh, I'm not sure why someone felt that they were entitled to a "serious response" when they make a statement like, "this race is feminine," especially when there's a serious history and problem of that particular color's men being stereotyped and portrayed as effeminate, effectively emasculated by the country they live in.

My post is going to be anecdotal, since I'm not too well versed in the research on this, however at UCI, and especially in the Asian centric clubs that I attended on occasion with my dates showed this trend.

The sad thing is some of the men aren't even near the stereotype however I've seen some women categorize them as such. When I asked them, and no I didn't do it in a rude way; They would reply that Asian men "had similar personalities", were "boring" or comment negatively on their masculinity. However I don't know if it's just say curiosity at this phase in their life (age 18-21) it could also just be curiosity. Some of them have also commented about their family saying only "white or Asian" with the rest of the races being a no-no. Just my 0.02, YMMV.

 

[InsaneZero]

Well we gotta keep some hope lol

History is a cycle of generations repeating the same mistakes over and over again because people's lifetimes are too short to be spent reflecting on the sins of our ancestors. #YOLO

Anyway, I tend to be more attracted to Asian women but I'm also fine with people of other races. But I fall under the typical Asian guy stereotype of a nerdy fellow that never goes on dates so I'm probably not reflected in here. At least I'm tall!

This stuff is interesting from an objective perspective but I wouldn't really care too much about how it would explain my own personal life.

 

[shanshan310]

Generally shorter, less body hair, less angular features etc. The stereotypes are well known.

Right. I wasn't sure if he meant those stereotypes, or that they were more emotional, or more 'superficial' or something.

 

[InsaneZero]

Body hair is disgusting. If not having them means that I'm considered superficially feminine then I'm fine with that.

 

[YesNOnoNOYes]

Right. I wasn't sure if he meant those stereotypes, or that they were more emotional, or more 'superficial' or something.

Yeah i was also unsure about his definitions. Like ive heard people say Asian males are more polite and thus softer and I thought he might mean that. Cuz physically, some of the most well known Asians in western exposure are like the very tall chinese basketballer or actors like....jackie chan, or jet li, or the dude from the Raid movies. The actors may be shorter in stature and not as hairy, etc, but they definitely not strike me as 'feminine'

.... unless they are exposed to J or K pop culture, the Asian representations in mainstream/ hollywood media are not very feminine, imo. unless im mistaken and most people actually think of jet li and the raid dude as feminine?????

:x

 

[Ratrat]

Who's the most famous Asian in Hollywood now? Ken Jong? Psy? Jet Li and Jackie Chan never seem to have romantic relationships in their Hollywood films as well. Kinda why movies like Harold and Kumar and Warriors Way really stick out to me.

 

[CharlieDigital]

Who's the most famous Asian in Hollywood now? Ken Jong? Psy? Jet Li and Jackie Chan never seem to have romantic relationships in their Hollywood films as well. Kinda why movies like Harold and Kumar and Warriors Way really stick out to me.

John Cho, Steven Yeun.

 

[YesNOnoNOYes]

Who's the most famous Asian in Hollywood now? Ken Jong? Psy? Jet Li and Jackie Chan never seem to have romantic relationships in their Hollywood films as well. Kinda why movies like Harold and Kumar and Warriors Way really stick out to me.

are any of those feminine seeming, you think? or just asexual?

psy looks very playa from his music videos... but im not overly familiar, i guess...

John Cho, Steven Yeun.

john cho is sooooooooo not feminine to me

he fiiiiiiiiinnneee





steven yeun got a white gf on walky ded, didnt he? o ya he did. thx for link! i need to catch up with walky ded~






oh oh, that japanese guy from inception is pretty masculine and suave *_____*

 

[shanshan310]

Yeah i was also unsure about his definitions. Like ive heard people say Asian males are more polite and thus softer and I thought he might mean that. Cuz physically, some of the most well known Asians in western exposure are like the very tall chinese basketballer or actors like....jackie chan, or jet li, or the dude from the Raid movies. The actors may be shorter in stature and not as hairy, etc, but they definitely not strike me as 'feminine'

.... unless they are exposed to J or K pop culture, the Asian representations in mainstream/ hollywood media are not very feminine, imo. unless im mistaken and most people actually think of jet li and the raid dude as feminine?????

:x

I agree. They generally aren't cast as the sexy love interest, but they aren't really feminine looking either. Isn't the world's tallest person also Chinese?

J-pop stars on the other hand... I've heard some crazy horror stories about estrogen and johnnies members. That's not a terribly pervasive western stereotype though.

oh oh, that japanese guy from inception is pretty masculine and suave *_____*

lol yeah, Ken Watanabe Hollywood's go-to Asian man right now.

 

[Llyranor]

I do agree that more Asian representation in Western media would go a long way. It's ridiculous how even a film whose main draw was 'this is the first film starring Jet Li vs Jackie Chan' needed a white protagonist going back to ancient China. Without a white savior saving all those Poor Chinese people and making the Chinese heroine fall in love with him, how would the audience be able to identify with the movie??!

Anecdotally, I've noticed that non-Asian girls that consume Asian media (whether it be Wuxia, kpop/jpop, kdramas or anime or whatever) are more likely to express attraction to Asian guys. But then that invites negative connotations like weeaboo/koreaboo/yellow fever.

 

[Valhelm]

Who's the most famous Asian in Hollywood now? Ken Jong? Psy? Jet Li and Jackie Chan never seem to have romantic relationships in their Hollywood films as well. Kinda why movies like Harold and Kumar and Warriors Way really stick out to me.

Ken Jeong is really the only Asian American actor that any non-Asians know by name. If you include South Asians, Aziz Ansari is huge. Still, both of them are emasculated in their own way. Aziz often plays flirty characters on TV, but part of the joke is that he's perceived as slight and unintimidating.

 

[CharlieDigital]

Rather than Hollywood, I think having more representation in sports would do a whole lot more for Asian image as a whole. But it's also much harder because sports is far more driven by merit/skill than choice (e.g. casting). There's certainly some racism and prejudice as well in sports, but I also think that Asians tend to self-exclude from participating in sports (maybe parental pressure from first, second generation parents).

Asians are well represented in athletics in medals in Olympic events like gymnastics, weightlifting, swimming, etc. But it's crazy that you see so little Asian-American representation on the US Olympic teams. So I think it's not that Asian-Americans aren't capable, but for some reason, they are not participating in sports at a high level in the US with rare exceptions.

But to be honest, "Asian-ness" is not something that growing up, I thought about a lot. Maybe more to do with the fact that I was raised in communities with very small Asian populations with very few Asian friends until I entered college. For that reason, I think, I had a hard time seeing Asian females as objects of love interest because I had a strong association of female Asians with my mom and sister.

Maybe because I am fairly masculine (shaved head, body hair, facial hair, slightly above average height (for the US), athletic build). For that reason, I think I presented little romantic interest to Asian females in college because I was very non-traditional in my appearance.

I tend to think about race more now in the context of my daughter and what life will be like for her growing up mixed and how she will identify. I've even proposed that she change her last name to my wife's maiden name to better her chances of college entry -- only half jokingly.

My wife and I find it funny that many times, people don't expect someone like her to show up when they see her last name. She's as white as can be so sometimes people have great reactions at the dissonance; she's had people ask her "Do you know where Mrs. Chen is?" because the idea of a white "Mrs. Chen" is so alien.

 

[InsaneZero]

I do agree that more Asian representation in Western media would go a long way. It's ridiculous how even a film whose main draw was 'this is the first film starring Jet Li vs Jackie Chan' needed a white protagonist going back to ancient China. Without a white savior saving all those Poor Chinese people and making the Chinese heroine fall in love with him, how would the audience be able to identify with the movie??!

Anecdotally, I've noticed that non-Asian girls that consume Asian media (whether it be Wuxia, kpop/jpop, kdramas or anime or whatever) are more likely to express attraction to Asian guys. But then that invites negative connotations like weeaboo/koreaboo/yellow fever.

Familiarity leads to greater acceptance in general regardless of what race they are. This general principle is why people push for diversity in pretty much everything. These girls are more likely to say that they like Asian dudes mostly in part because they simply have more exposure, and there's nothing wrong with that.

 

[freeofgreed]

I do agree that more Asian representation in Western media would go a long way. It's ridiculous how even a film whose main draw was 'this is the first film starring Jet Li vs Jackie Chan' needed a white protagonist going back to ancient China. Without a white savior saving all those Poor Chinese people and making the Chinese heroine fall in love with him, how would the audience be able to identify with the movie??!

Anecdotally, I've noticed that non-Asian girls that consume Asian media (whether it be Wuxia, kpop/jpop, kdramas or anime or whatever) are more likely to express attraction to Asian guys. But then that invites negative connotations like weeaboo/koreaboo/yellow fever.

Definitely agree with this. Regardless of whether or not we want to admit, a lot of our perceptions of beauty come from the media we consume. So when that media is dominated by representations of a single race, it's easy to see how that can be damaging to beauty standards of the people not of that race.

 

[JPLMD]

Just putting my 0.02 in...of the 10 or so Asian girls I've ever talked to about this, only 1 has ever told me she had preferential interests in Asian men (obviously not statistically significant, so take it with a grain of salt). The others all only wanted to date white men and one even flat out told me she'd rather kill herself than to ever end up marrying or dating an Asian guy. Needless to say, she was nuts so I never talked to her again after that conversation.

If someone prefers to date some type of person moreso than others, I don't think there's anything wrong, it's just interesting how heavily skewed the data is against Asian men in particular when looking it at as a whole. I think if all else equal, and the statistics were evenly distributed amongst men and women of all major racial groups, this topic wouldn't even up for discussion.

It doesn't help that the perception of Asian men in Western society is mostly negative and Asian women are mostly positive. I can't even think off the top of my head the last time an Asian guy was praised for his looks/attractiveness in Western media/news outlets.

 

[Sickboy007]

devo hasn't even posted on gaf in a fat minute. how long will people hold grudges lmao

can't even imagine why someone would shit on someone like fiction and call her 'derisively dismissive'

Because she's a woman on the internet, that's why. That's her "social cache".

 

[Trojita]

I work with three asian brothers that are a statistical anamoly. Two of the three brothers have white wives and the third has a hispanic wife.

Also one of them has a sister in-law named Lorena Bobbitt.