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Crackdown 3: 10 minute pre-alpha gameplay demo
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justgames7604
Member
read every second post for clarification.
azertydu91
Hard to Kill
I really don't get the hype around those destructions.
I don't find it that much better than red faction and even less considering than we are a generation after.
If the insides of buidings were more detailled maybe it would change my perception of it but from a console with rougghly 8 times the memory od the 360 I have to admit it doesn't look 8 times better than red faction.
Maybe 2 times but it doesn't seems as detailled as BeamNG demo I had on my computer larger buildings just have big chunks.
Maybe it's not the sense of destruction, it may have more to the emptiness of the buildings maybe that's turning me off.
I don't find it better than destruction in battefield for example and I'm very interested in what do you think is so unbelievable because I just don't understand.
I don't find it that much better than red faction and even less considering than we are a generation after.
If the insides of buidings were more detailled maybe it would change my perception of it but from a console with rougghly 8 times the memory od the 360 I have to admit it doesn't look 8 times better than red faction.
Maybe 2 times but it doesn't seems as detailled as BeamNG demo I had on my computer larger buildings just have big chunks.
Maybe it's not the sense of destruction, it may have more to the emptiness of the buildings maybe that's turning me off.
I don't find it better than destruction in battefield for example and I'm very interested in what do you think is so unbelievable because I just don't understand.
Pagusas
Elden Member
Thats really sad
Crackdown is no fun when playing with assholes, which represent the vast majority of gamers online. I do not have any gamer friends so these games tend to be single player experiences to me (with the exception of Borderlands 2, which for some reason my wife fell in love with and we play together all the time). It will be sad if you choose to play single player and lose all ability to knock over a building.You're going to need an essay's worth of writing to try and back that up...and it would still be wrong.
JayWood2010
Member
Cloud Computing is crazy. That is very impressive. Shocked at how impressive it is really.
The guy mentions is he is using an overly powerful weapon to show the effects.
Shogun1337
Junior Member
Looks wonderful. Futuristic successor to Bad Company 2
Ricky Ricardo
Member
Of course. I expect to see this line of reasoning in ever Crackdown 3 thread going forward.
Thats really sad
i dunno, the way the presenter was talking about taking out a boss by dropping a tower, or riding your vehicle up the side of a fallen building acting like a ramp, tells me there will definitely be massive scale destruction in sp too - it likely just wont be all encompassing.
Pretty much the bolded part.
I think it's safe to assume that your characters skills and abilities and weapon will develop over time.. I doubt you'll be leveling the city at the start.
Also, these weapons were intentionally OP for demo purposes... If the reveal trailer is any indication, it'll take planning and/or teamwork to quickly takedown a building...
gamechanger87
Member
Your trolling is getting tiring. I assume this is a drive u because every person who says that just runs away after. Geo Mod didn't do this. Scope and scale were impossible. Yes you could destroy stuff but the options were limited
I'm curious about:
- what's being rendered locally and what not?
- are certain things rigged, physics wise? (bigger collapsing buildings?)
for gameplay, collission detection and world-state persistence purposes I have a hard time believing that literally 'everything' is possible.
But I hope this stuff works out!
- what's being rendered locally and what not?
- are certain things rigged, physics wise? (bigger collapsing buildings?)
for gameplay, collission detection and world-state persistence purposes I have a hard time believing that literally 'everything' is possible.
But I hope this stuff works out!
Cad-Monkey
Neo Member
Couldn't listen to the audio, so that's good. Would still rather him show what the average destruction looks like.
That's what the pistol was at the start.
gamechanger87
Member
Battlefield has canned animations. BF4 was a step back. BF can't do this stuff on the fly it's too computationally intensive.
A lot of games don't have destruction (which breaks the immersion), the crackdown demo seems to be doing it in a realistic way.
I agree the insides are empty, but the building are much larger and break much more than RFG.
Seriously don't find it better than BF? The Shangai map in BF4 has one skyscraper that breaks and crashes to the floor. This has multiple and isn't a scripted event.
azertydu91
Hard to Kill
It's about feelings read the rest of my post you may get a better idea of what I mean I mean yeah it's destruction but in what is it much better that you need up to 4 or 5 xbox ones (the equivalent in cloud ones) to achieve that is it that better than just cause or red faction?
I feel like if you put 4 or 5 PS3's or 360's together this result is obtainable in the regard of red faction for example.
so what is that impressive tell me.
nobodyshero
Banned
It seems so out of date to be touting destruction physics as the main bullet point like this. On one hand, they don't seem to be over-promising on this title, which is nice.
On the other hand, it seems like this is expanding even less on the original Crackdown than Crackdown 2 was.
On the other hand, it seems like this is expanding even less on the original Crackdown than Crackdown 2 was.
MisterCTwo
Member
Impressive. The destructible geometry tech feels evolved. I'm happy the graphics have a colorful, animated feel like the first game rather than something more realistic looking.
Orbs!
Orbs!
azertydu91
Hard to Kill
I didn't said it was better it is let me be clear but for a console 4 or 5 times more powerful I really don't see it.
It may be 2 times better but I don't feel the next gen nor am impressed like a lot of others and I want to understand them.
We know nothing besides the destruction engine about gameplay or gameplay features. So how can you come to this conclusion?
llAuburnll
Banned
It's very apparent from your posts it isn't about what is actually being shown in the demo.
Drop the RFG thing already. It's not even in the same league.
Are you going to post this BS in every Crackdown thread? Hop out, Kermit!
funkystudent
Member
Great tech demo. Cant wait to see how they build a game around it.
As others have said. Reminds a lot of Red Faction Guerilla but more next gen... and then there is the city wide scale of it that is the real impressive part.
Real curious how this works in practice. What are the limitaitons? Once the servers get pounded or lag whats going to happen? Wont bandwidth usage going to be off the charts?
Exciting stuff.
As others have said. Reminds a lot of Red Faction Guerilla but more next gen... and then there is the city wide scale of it that is the real impressive part.
Real curious how this works in practice. What are the limitaitons? Once the servers get pounded or lag whats going to happen? Wont bandwidth usage going to be off the charts?
Exciting stuff.
If you can watch the latest video and still not understand what makes this tech impressive, then it's hard not to see you as a troll...
I mean he created a scenario live, and showed exactly how much computational power it required (6x that of an xb1)... And you still have the nerve to saw it only 2 times as impressive as red faction.
How can this
Be considered just 2x this
Are we in the same planet?
azertydu91
Hard to Kill
That may be the part where I have problem I find everything in it really bland.
Buildings empty and the textures feel like in borderlands (not the second or the pre sequel)
Maybe I'm just allergic to the world they created it may be a biased perception from my part but nothing in this video looks impressive to me.
The Albatross
Member
I don't really get the "anti-hype." That is to say, the endless stream of posts that are "cloud [distributed computing] is fake," "cloud [distributed computing] is too wasteful," "thats it?"
Well, actually, I think I do get it. It's an exclusive game to a single console, so the anti-hype makes sense. If it were multiplat, this negativity wouldn't be surrounding a tech demo.
I think it's a safe assumption that the pre-alpha footage of empty buildings is not what the final product will look like, although I also wouldn't expect anything close to GTAV for open world details. For what it's worth, the original Crackdown looked like a bland open world game that nobody was impressed with, and upon release (with it's awesome demo), it suddenly became a big hit that nobody expected. Crackdown 1 didn't have the best open world graphics, the most detailed world, a lot of the areas were cookie-cutter buidlings, but it had a really unique super hero playstyle that nobody expected and hasn't really been replicated as well since. I'm giving CD3 a chance to introduce something similar. If the game wasn't a console exclusive to one console, particularly the Xbox, I think a lot more people would be open to it than they are.... Or maybe just a lot less negativity.
Dont know about red faction but here the debris is also physically interacting and creating new geometry that we can interact with for example to create ramps for trucks as shown in the cgi reveal trailer.This I think is a huge deal for emergent gameplay.
gamechanger87
Member
Red Faction only had certain destrcutible environments and the particle count and the scope weren't on this scale. Destruction has been done for awhile but it is computationally heavy and restricts what the cpu can do. We've known how to do destruction forever just not on this scope because the location calculations take up too many cycles. This is why red faction limited what you could do. You didn't have whole cities to destroy at once, just random buildings and walls. Look at those gifs and look at red faction. They aren't even on the same wavelength.
There is a difference between being able to do destruction and being able to do it in a non precanned manner at this scale.
Backfoggen
Banned
No one still talking about Red Faction has watched the video till the end.
llAuburnll
Banned
He's already said it's about his feelings. All his content is he doesn't find, he doesn't think that, he doesn't understand this, he doesn't feel whatever. It's not about the demo or what has been shown.
nobodyshero
Banned
Call it a gut feeling
It just seems like if there were true forward-thinking ideas in this game, they would choose to promote those instead of (or at least as well as) physics demos that haven't really been impressive since 2008.
Keep in mind, I'm not saying the game doesn't look fun! I like blowing stuff up as much as anyone! It just strikes me as odd that the big gameplay reveal for a long-dormant franchise that still has a miraculous level of good will towards it despite only having one decent title still looks to be adhering to such old gimmicks.
Jawbreaker
Member
This is incredibly cool.
What games have proper destruction? Red Faction & Battlefield?
Complete destruction in multiplayer should make matches memorable.
when you have an agenda you tend to want to ignore facts
nillapuddin
Member
just take a side of crow and move on, its a truly impressive demonstration.
I dont see any point in trying to refute that.
Congrats to those devs, that kicks ass
I dont see any point in trying to refute that.
Congrats to those devs, that kicks ass
azertydu91
Hard to Kill
Yeah I see that but every developper know that you can create something really heavy computanionally (? I don't know if it's a word sorry guys I'm french I'm doing my best) speaking when you can obtain the same results coding better (though I'm not saying it was)
but I think it lacks details like small pieces falling, chairs, better textures etc.
And after playing beamNG it doesn't look that impressive to me.
