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Final Fantasy Type-0 HD Coming To PC/Steam - More gfx options, better camera, etc

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texhnolyze

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So, it seems that it's an okay port right?
Not too bad, but definitely not great either.

ricochetguro said:
You can replicate the exp glitch pretty easily by changing the system clock although I'm sure someone has already figured how to do similar things with cheat engine or what have you.

Edit: Lol, it totally fucks up the steam timer though. I've played the game for 50,000 hours so far :p
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Well, damn. 50,000 hours lol.
 
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Keebz

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Eyothrie said:
Is the camera better using a controller than it was on PS4?
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Yes. Set the camera speed to slow and you'll be good to go. I also recommend turning off motion blur, which made things worse on the PS4. By the way, there are two camera types. I find type B works better on keyboard, type A works better with a controller (personal preference).
 
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Dinjoralo

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So, where does the game save it's screenshots from photo mode? I'm not sure if it's taking screenshots at all, maybe it's supposed to call on the Steam overlay to take a picture? Because that's not appearing for me.

...Has Durante been struck with a fey mood?
 
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Keebz

Neo Member
Sir Abacus said:
Sooooo...

I'm 1440p. No 1440p option. Am I just fucked at this point?
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At the moment, yes. I was hoping for some GeDoSaTo magic to cure this, but it is a DX11 game so that's a no go.

Dinjoralo said:
So, where does the game save it's screenshots from photo mode? I'm not sure if it's taking screenshots at all, maybe it's supposed to call on the Steam overlay to take a picture? Because that's not appearing for me.

...Has Durante been struck with a fey mood?
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For me (using a controller) hitting the screenshot button (I believe it was A) took a screenshot via Steam. I can't confirm yet if/how it works on keyboard. As for Durante, maybe he has buried himself into this game and will soon emerge (once again) as our savior. :)
 
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Keebz

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Faabulous said:
Keyboard fucking sucks major ass. Don't buy if that's the only way you can play.
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Try changing the camera mode to Type B and see if that makes it easier for you (allows the camera to follow behind the character, so moving with WASD isn't as painful). But yeah, controller is the way to go on this game.
 
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Nyteshade517

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Dinjoralo said:
So, where does the game save it's screenshots from photo mode? I'm not sure if it's taking screenshots at all, maybe it's supposed to call on the Steam overlay to take a picture? Because that's not appearing for me.

...Has Durante been struck with a fey mood?
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just tested this to see...went to the normal Steam screenshots folder...when you press the button to take the snapshot the usual Steam notification comes up
 
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Dinjoralo

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Nyteshade517 said:
just tested this to see...went to the normal Steam screenshots folder...when you press the button to take the snapshot the usual Steam notification comes up
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Ah. For me, the Steam overlay isn't loading with the game. Argh.
And why can't I use the analog stick in the menus!? My dpad suck ass!
 
BONKERS

BONKERS

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exmachina64 said:
Specifically, I meant with respect to what the expectations for a PC port are. I think less than five people were responsible for the port of Type-0 HD from consoles to PC.

We don't have precise details on what their discussions with Avalanche entailed. Other posters assured me these were at the level of discussing techniques to improve the engine's ability to stream assets and improve the verticality of the world as opposed to technical assistance.

If/when XV and KH3 receive PC ports would be more indicative of the organization's ability to port to PC as a whole, in my mind.
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Further proof that.

A.) They are incompetent
B.) They dont' give a fuck about their own AAA franchises and it's individual releases (Every single port of an FF game to PC;that isn't an MMO; has been utter crap. Continuing the tradition since 1998 huh?).
C.) UNLESS it's an MMO where they can safely SUCK millions of dollars MORE out of users per month.

FFXIV is like Crysis compared to this shit when it comes to the quality of being a PC game.

Everyone should be refunding this excuse for a Port (Ironically Zombi comes out the same day and is just as pathetic. At least it supports a higher framerate). If refunds would've existed when XIII/2 came out, i'm sure just about everyone would have.
 
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JohngPR

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After messing around with the AA options, setting it to high instead of Normal actually improves the AA quality. I assumed that it would just make it blurrier but that's not the case.

I tried the AA on the highest setting but the framerate dropped to 26-27 FPS for the reasons Durante mentioned I'm assuming. I was able to get SweetFX to work so I used the lumasharpen to make up for some of the blurring that the AA seems to do. Here are my results

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BONKERS

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Way over doing that sharpening.

But since you can't downsample not much choice. sucks. Even a little bit of driver downsampling would sharpen that right up. (Not DSR)

According to this, the 2nd highest AA setting renders the game at 2880x1620 (1.5x1.5)
http://hexadrive.jp/hexablog/

Why not just support those kinds of resolutions to play at? I don't get it man

I bought it to test and ugh. The audio in cutscenes is constantly popping/clicking like it's being time stretched. Dafuq
Esc key like XIII/XIII2 prompts you to exit the game. WAT?
Mouse cursor is always on screen.
No vsync option causes tearing.
You might as well use Motion Blur with AA because the TemporalAA causes smearing on it's own.
Highest AA setting still seems to ignore parts of the hair, there is still pixel crawling on the legs of your character, edges are not that good looking
Ex "Highest AA at 720p"
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cj_iwakura

cj_iwakura

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JohngPR said:
After messing around with the AA options, setting it to high instead of Normal actually improves the AA quality. I assumed that it would just make it blurrier but that's not the case.

I tried the AA on the highest setting but the framerate dropped to 26-27 FPS for the reasons Durante mentioned I'm assuming. I was able to get SweetFX to work so I used the lumasharpen to make up for some of the blurring that the AA seems to do. Here are my results



Using lumasharpen introduces slightly more jaggies but I can live with it.
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Wow. I feel like putting this on PC just makes its PSP origins all the more glaring.
 
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hesho

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BONKERS said:
Further proof that.

A.) They are incompetent
B.) They dont' give a fuck about their own AAA franchises and it's individual releases (Every single port of an FF game to PC;that isn't an MMO; has been utter crap. Continuing the tradition since 1998 huh?).
C.) UNLESS it's an MMO where they can safely SUCK millions of dollars MORE out of users per month.

FFXIV is like Crysis compared to this shit when it comes to the quality of being a PC game.

Everyone should be refunding this excuse for a Port (Ironically Zombi comes out the same day and is just as pathetic. At least it supports a higher framerate). If refunds would've existed when XIII/2 came out, i'm sure just about everyone would have.
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i think the bigger problem is.. even with all the issues, the games DO sell. They have no reason to actually put any effort because of that fact sadly. The very fact that ppl thought they would change from their normal ways also points to that fact.
 
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Zafir

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ussjtrunks said:
In FFXIII and XIII-2 the 1440p option looks worse than 1080p upscaled for some reason, maybe thats why they left out the option as they just cant make it work right T-T
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That was only specific to 1440p though. Higher resolutions ran fine. I ran them at 4k and downsampled to 1440p which worked fine.
 
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Durante

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BONKERS said:
Way over doing that sharpening.

But since you can't downsample not much choice. sucks
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Oh, you can very easily downsample. Just set AA to "highest" - bam, 4x downsampling.

hesho said:
i think the bigger problem is.. even with all the issues, the games DO sell. They have no reason to actually put any effort because of that fact sadly. The very fact that ppl thought they would change from their normal ways also points to that fact.
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That's a silly argument.

The games are selling, but not nearly as well as good PC ports would. I mean, FF13 sold a lot less than Valkyria Chronicles. Which one of those is the larger franchise?

Then again, I don't agree with the "everyone should refund" argument Bonkers is making. The PC version is quite clearly the best version of the game, and it's also cheap, so if you want to play it why would you get any other version?
 
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Frumix

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Durante said:
Oh, you can very easily downsample. Just set AA to "highest" - bam, 4x downsampling.


That's a silly argument.

The games are selling, but not nearly as well as good PC ports would. I mean, FF13 sold a lot less than Valkyria Chronicles. Which one of those is the larger franchise?

Then again, I don't agree with the "everyone should refund" argument Bonkers is making. The PC version is quite clearly the best version of the game, and it's also cheap, so if you want to play it why would you get any other version?
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Is it fair to attribute that just to the port quality though? FF13 is universally known as a stinker and a straw that broke the proverbial camel's back while VC gets nothing but praise.
 
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chrominance

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Okay, so if I caught the gist of this thread, the verdict appears to be something like this:

+ can render at high internal resolutions/downsample
- only outputs at 1080p, no higher
- maximum framerate locked at 30fps
- somewhat erratic performance even on mid-to-high-level specs (GTX 970) or maybe not?

So basically no reason to buy this right now if I already own the PS4 version, besides wanting to keep that CE sealed because I'm stupid and think it might actually be collectible someday (why do I do this to myself geez)?

I do hold out hope that some enterprising modder will find a way to restore the PSP's colour grading, though. That would make this an instabuy for me.
 
Caffeine

Caffeine

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texhnolyze said:
Yes.. I'm on my office laptop.
I'm planning to install it here and backup it to my home PC as usual. I never had this issue with 64bit only games previously.
So I'm fucked, then?
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judging by a lot of other users posts in the forums they all have that problem on 32bit.
 
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Durante

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chrominance said:
- somewhat erratic performance even on mid-to-high-level specs (GTX 970)
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This one is simply not true in my experience (on a 970, incidentally). Unless you are talking about the "highest" AA setting, but that's like complaining about Witcher 2 performance with Ubersampling.
 
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chrominance

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Durante said:
This one is simply not true in my experience (on a 970, incidentally). Unless you are talking about the "highest" AA setting, but that's like complaining about Witcher 2 performance with Ubersampling.
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Oh, I wonder if that explains the earlier reports in the thread. I thought it was weird, seeing some people say "it runs decently on my laptop!" while others were complaining of sub-30fps drops on 970s.
 
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iosefe

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i'm running the minimum requirements, with a 2gb 7790

it's the smoothest 30 fps thing i've played in a while, and it feels good
 
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CertifiedFP

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Durante said:
The games are selling, but not nearly as well as good PC ports would. I mean, FF13 sold a lot less than Valkyria Chronicles. Which one of those is the larger franchise?
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SteamSpy says that FF13 has sold 416k, that's about only a 60k difference in sales.

It'll be interesting to see where this sits on SteamSpy once the dust settles and it has stable data.
 
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Chance Hale

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Pretty sure that FFXIII was only on sale for 8 dollars once whereas VC has been on sale for 5 dollars multiple times at this point.

I think it's safe to say it would have sold even more if the initial impressions hadn't been "My lord, this is locked to 720P" though.
 
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Mohasus

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I just played until the first save point with a GTX 560 (below system requirements) and I had 30 fps locked @1080p standard settings.

Hexa drive optimization gods, making this card run a game as well as a PS4 (well, I don't know the settings there, but I'm sure it isn't downsampling from 4k).
 
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Valnen

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Durante said:
Newsflash:
The game stutters on some systems if you turn everything to the maximum because then it renders at 3840x2160, in HDR, with quite a few expensive post-processing effects and temporal AA done on the full 4k HDR FP framebuffer.
It's not really a performance issue in that sense -- it's like the TW2 Ubersampling option in a way.

Also, it's ridiculous to have the option to do the full rendering at 4k in the game and then only allow output at 1920x1080 :/
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That explains why turning AA to "normal" made the game run about a billion times better for me, but this stuff really should be explained better in the options menu. "Highest" doesn't tell me shit.
 
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CertifiedFP

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Mohasus said:
I just played until the first save point with a GTX 560 (below system requirements) and I had 30 fps locked @1080p standard settings.

Hexa drive optimization gods, making this card run a game as well as a PS4 (well, I don't know the settings there, but I'm sure it isn't downsampling from 4k).
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Don't rely on MinSpecs too much, there's plenty of games where MinSpecs are the "We won't provide official support below this mark" rather than an actual minimum needed to run it.
 
Kirye

Kirye

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So far the performance has been great for me, at least that's fine. However is there any way of changing button graphics? It's throwing me off telling me to do this or that when i'm not even sure where that goes on my controller.

Hell I still don't know how to dodge.
 
SoulUnison

SoulUnison

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Strife In a Teacup said:
Played for an hour and half. I'm fine with the performance, I'll play it/keep it =).
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Definitely time for a new computer for me.
I'm running it a 720 with minimum settings and sometimes dropping below the 30 FPS lock.

I guess this is the wake up call that my rig is aging.
Need a machine that can at least keep up with the current consoles.

EDIT: Anybody having an issue where the mouse cursor never disappears, even when playing with a gamepad?
How is this such a common issue with PC ports nowadays?
How is this not almost literally the first thing devs notice and take care of?
 
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Parsnip

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Kirye said:
So far the performance has been great for me, at least that's fine. However is there any way of changing button graphics? It's throwing me off telling me to do this or that when i'm not even sure where that goes on my controller.

Hell I still don't know how to dodge.
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You can change between xbox icons and keyboard icons from the launcher.
 
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BONKERS

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According to this, the 2nd highest AA setting renders the game at 2880x1620 (1.5x1.5)
http://hexadrive.jp/hexablog/

Why not just support those kinds of resolutions to play at? I don't get it man

I bought it to test and ugh. The audio in cutscenes is constantly popping/clicking like it's being time stretched. Dafuq
Forcing 16xAF increases detail on hair > http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/139090
Esc key like XIII/XIII2 prompts you to exit the game. WAT?
Mouse cursor is always on screen.
No vsync option causes tearing. And forcing Vsync doesn't seem to work. I am getting constant tearing
You might as well use Motion Blur with AA because the TemporalAA causes smearing on it's own.
Highest AA setting still seems to ignore parts of the hair, there is still pixel crawling on the legs of your character, edges are not that good looking statically
Ex "Highest AA at 720p"
fftype0hd20150818195.png
. You would think 4xSSAA+Temporal AA would look way better
On my 768p TV I am unable to launch the game at 1080p AT ALL, even though 1080p works just fine as a desktop resolution
 
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Linearskillz

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Performance is fine here. Windows 10 / GTX 970. Utilizes like 30% of my GPU with everything highest except AA set to High. I can actually do AA on highest with 80-90% utilization but it just seemed like a waste of electricity.

Graphically it's so weird. Nice shaders thrown on top of super low poly models with tiny textures. The automagic texture uprezing in PPSSPP actually looks a lot better than the textures they shipped this with IMO.

Camera still sucks. The lock-on is nauseating.

Other than that, it's still Type-0. It's about what I expected, which is to say not much. At least it performs better than FF13-2.
 
Dsyndrome

Dsyndrome

Member
Does it make sense to manually turn on MFAA and have the launcher set to AA Normal+? Trying to figure out if one will cancel out the other.
 
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The Finest Brew

Neo Member
The actual game itself runs fine on Standard, but every single pre-rendered cutscene seems to run like butt. Any chance someone knows what's causing this?
 
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