Bam Bam Baklava
Member
People use what's best. If they can't dream up something better than the ghorn in this new expansion, that's their issue. It shouldn't be phased out because of that.
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Destiny: The Taken King - Year 2 Reveal - Stream (Summary in OP)
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People use what's best. If they can't dream up something better than the ghorn in this new expansion, that's their issue. It shouldn't be phased out because of that.
Audible Phonetics
Member
It is to force you to look for and use the new exotics. There is literally double the amount now.
There are newer better versions of the gun you probably love. Just find it.
RiccochetJ
Gold Member
Here's the sword details:
May need to wait until year ten cause this is going to keep happening. Only way to freshen up game is to rotate stock in and out. Infusion language sets the ground work be restricting it to weapon year release.
Speaking for myself only obviously, I don't mind it one bit. I want to use new gear. I want to grind for it. I want to buy it. I want to lust after it.
Glendemonium
Member
Here's the sword details:
Oh man, I want to reroll a hunter just so I can go all Ninja Gaiden on the Darkness.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
Save it to transmog for looks
Zok310
Banned
If that's the case then I'll hang on to my 40 bux.
Audible Phonetics
Member
But that is the thing. I am pretty sure you will be able to find a new exotic that is an upgrade to one you loved.
Kor of Memory
Member
Here's the sword details:
See, this is why I bought a Kinetic "The Messenger" even after I already had a Solar and an Arc version.
Ryouji Gunblade
Member
In what way do we guard? Is it a shield? Is it Jedi-style?
Obliterator
Member
The changes from TDB + HOW + The Taken King mechanically are different game from launch September 2014 Destiny. Here we go, just cause I feel like doing this to prove a point
- Entire leveling system reworked from the ground up
- Entire Loot system and how you aquire them reworked
- Entire weapon upgrade system reworked
- Entire armor upgrade system reworked
- Vendors totally overhauled
- How you aquire upgrade materials reworked
- Cryptarch reworked
I could go on and on and on and on.
Vanilla Destiny people were shooting in a cave and running loops around Mars to get materials. The entire mechanice of the game have been reworked and rebalanced. Case closed
Saying there aren't new worlds and places to explore does absolutely nothing to counter act my point
StrongBlackVine
Banned
Here's the sword details:
So we basically get elemental shields now. That's awesome.
Also, this game is an MMORPG spanning ten years, this is standard stuff. It's not really possible to keep a game balanced if you try to keep hundreds of gear/weapons viable.
Twilight Gap
Member
I'm somewhat biased because i only care about a handful of weapons and armor that seem like they'll be refreshed going forward.
However, I find this sentiment confusing when the game has been out for a year. This is a loot-driven game where the replayability largely comes from getting better stuff. They're not making all of the old stuff irrelevant, but if they didn't eventually phase them out there would be no point to designing new stuff, and therefore less of a reason to do most of the activities. And that's not to mention the nightmare of balancing the game around hundreds of weapons.
The upgrades made sense for the first two expansions when we were just earning these items and they didn't have time to spend tweaking existing content while designing new ones. This time however it looks like they've paid more attention to how weapon perks compliment one another and behave from different factions. We'll always have our favorites and I hope they don't end up irrelevant (which I doubt). Nevertheless, I'm personally ready for new toys.
edit: We also don't know the full extent of the upgrades yet and whether or not certain exotics will never be upgraded.
Mammoth Jones
Member
Why bother adjusting exotics at all right before the update if they can't be carried over. My point is you don't need to phase out the old for the new. Both can exist.
And I say this purely from an aesthetic point of view. I just like the models. If the perks changed on ascension to Year 2 I wouldn't mind.
HamPster PamPster
Member
Lots of great UI changes but I wish the quests were more than "do this strike." At least the subclass quests will probably be more interesting
You should be questioning why you play this game at all. Destiny is not a stagnant game and you seem to think it is. No matter what they do the game is going to affect what you did in the past somehow whether it was in a positive or negative way. I mean I don't even play MMOs really and none these things are surprising to me. People like to make those meme comments about veteran players participating in year 1 as if it were a beta but destiny of now is going to look completely different from destiny 5 years from now or even another year from now. If you or anyone else can't understand that and know that all you potentially do today in the game is not going to matter 6-12 months from now then stop playing the game. It's not for you.
So why even nerf non pvp oriented guns when 2.0 hits since most won't be upgradeable to year 2 gear? For example, since ghorn was just on sale I have the suspicion it won't be upgradeable to year 2, so why the big nerf?
I bet PlayStation exclusive guns will be upgradeable to year 2 exotics since they will be new weapons to Xbox One players anyway.
I bet PlayStation exclusive guns will be upgradeable to year 2 exotics since they will be new weapons to Xbox One players anyway.
Audible Phonetics
Member
I feel you. I get both sides I really do.
Trust me my favorite Gun Fate Bringer is going to suffer from this fate.
CosmicQueso
Member
Well, they aren't taking those away, right? You can still use them. You'll just be at a disadvantage versus the other gear.
PedroLumpy
Member
Suffice to say, I do mind.
I really don't think my play style needed to get a massive middle finger to satisfy that lust for the grind, but here we are.
Kor of Memory
Member
Because it allows them room to be upgraded in the future?
It'll probably be a bullet point of the next smaller DLC.
Changes for 1.4.1
- Added 6 more Year 1 Exotics into the Year 2 Blueprint pool
StrongBlackVine
Banned
Monte Carlo and Hawkmoon are definitely carrying over. Monte Carlo kinda sucks though so being new to Xbox is the only reason I can see it being kept relevant.
Because as people keep restating: The damage fix only affects pve. People will still be using these exotics in pvp and they will still be broken as hell. Of course they're going to rebalance them and nerf their damage progression at the same time. Moving forward and phasing out old mechanics, weapons, armor is a good thing.
I would be willing to bet the list of Year 1 guns being carried over to Year 2 is not final. It's not as simple as pushing a button. The guns need to be re-balanced against year 2 guns, and the infusion system determined. As someone said above, they can simply be added later in an update, once they've been balanced and new stats determined.
Audible Phonetics
Member
Love Monte Carlo. Can't wait to get back in to it with the new weapon upgrade to auto rifles
Twilight Gap
Member
Because the GJallarhorn does 3x as much damage every other rocket launcher.
StrongBlackVine
Banned
I was excited to use Hard Light, but it looks like it didn't make cut. But as others have said these now legacy weapons still have a place in the Crucible.
Neuro
Member
No Gjallarhorn in year 2
Everything I love about Destiny was there at launch... fun gameplay and a great atmosphere. The expansions added a tiny bit more for a premium price, and this one seems to be the same. I'm willing to pay because I still enjoy playing the game, but I would suggest most people buy any other game they are seriously interested in first because that will probably be a much better value.
I just don't understand why people care about Destiny's story or various upgrade systems. The unlocking of slight variations to weapons is just an EXCUSE to play. It's not like a proper role-playing game where the upgrading of your character(s) is an actual NARRATIVE with an interesting structure to it.
The majority of people complaining that they are unable to enjoy Destiny seem to be arguing that the psychological hooks are insufficiently optimized to best keep them playing for the wrong reasons.
Destiny's backstory is important for the developers to have so they can create a proper world, but the players are not playing a narrative game so it's silly to try to cram more of that into the actual game. I thought putting the story in an iOS app was the perfect way to handle it. At least we'll be able to skip them now.
I just don't understand why people care about Destiny's story or various upgrade systems. The unlocking of slight variations to weapons is just an EXCUSE to play. It's not like a proper role-playing game where the upgrading of your character(s) is an actual NARRATIVE with an interesting structure to it.
The majority of people complaining that they are unable to enjoy Destiny seem to be arguing that the psychological hooks are insufficiently optimized to best keep them playing for the wrong reasons.
Destiny's backstory is important for the developers to have so they can create a proper world, but the players are not playing a narrative game so it's silly to try to cram more of that into the actual game. I thought putting the story in an iOS app was the perfect way to handle it. At least we'll be able to skip them now.
Kor of Memory
Member
Swords are not class specific. We've seen a warlock holding one as well right now.
Different people enjoy different aspects of a game. Simple as that.
Any pictures of someone holding the sword? Really happy to see melee weapons here
RIP Gjallarhorn
Kor of Memory
Member
Not exactly.
In an old E3 video was saw a Warlock that was using their new super but the icon for a sword in the heavy slot was down at the bottom of the screen (thus equipped).
Today we saw a hunter with a sword on their back in the tower.
StrongBlackVine
Banned
Like what?
While I've stuck with Destiny through the year, and have crawled my way to lvl 32, I'm a bit lost on some of the TTK additions.
I like the sounds of the new Warlock subclass, so come TTK, can I switch to the new subclass, take that character boost item, and still have access to these subclass quests Bungie is introducing?
I like the sounds of the new Warlock subclass, so come TTK, can I switch to the new subclass, take that character boost item, and still have access to these subclass quests Bungie is introducing?
Twilight Gap
Member
hundreds of people just downloaded MC Hammer's Cant Touch This for their next Destiny montage.
Audible Phonetics
Member
Bungie heard this particular narrative a lot among the players and stated that TK will have a more story driven center piece revolving around the progression of your character. That is yet to be determined, but I have faith that will actually happen upon release.
One point you seem to be missing is that this game is an MMO first. It isn't a straight forward RPG. As most MMO's are there is more then one way to play. One of Destiny defining points are you can progress playing how you want. It ins't as linear as say a traditional RPG that has a set story and you progress through the evolution of the story.
I really dislike cloaks and arm bands having stats now. They were the last thing that was really cosmetic and able to customize at will. Now all the great looking cloaks will have to be shuffled off for newer and potentially uglier ones.
I really do wish there was a transmog feature.
I really do wish there was a transmog feature.
Raids require a level of commitment, if you can't even make a simple post than that could be a problem.