TheRagnCajun
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I suppose in comparison to Boomers we could be considered great. I'm not so sure we compare favourably to other generations.
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Are Millennials really the next "Great Generation"?
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Ziltoidia 9
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What exactly are millennials feel like they are entitled to? A freaking job? Everyone in since WW2 finished has felt like they are entitled to a job. EVERYONE. Freaking campaigns are ran on I WILL BRING JOBS TO THIS COUNTRY by basically every candidate.
LegendofJoe
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In the US if we can manage to break up the marriage between big money special interests and our government we will have achieved more than our parents did. It should be priority number one for everyone in our generation who is politically active, no issues can be addressed in a comprehensive manner unless we address this first.
When you and your life is literally opposed to by a majority of a certain religion, you come back and tell me that "intolerance is not good". Until then, stuff it.
We don't have atheists going around blowing people up. We don't have secularists burning people at the stake for being a witch. This is such a bullshit response to something that's factually a true statement - That religion has made people do terrible things.
Does that mean that Boomers just like to bitch about shit?
. Exactly. Something the "but be tolerant of religions!" people don't get. Religious people have used their book to try to keep me from being married (and painted me to be a terrible person.). I have zero sympathy for religion and I'm quite glad that this generation is giving it's middle finger to religion in general. My hope is that by the time these kids have kids, the idea of religion will be more of a farce than anything else.
Can't do one without the other. Otherwise you're not truly practicing your faith.
I agree with this. There's a reason why GenXers were completely disillusioned - we realized how shitty we got it. The good thing is, you guys are ready to charge ahead and take charge and make shit better. DDOOOO EEETTTTTT.
It's not that set in stone, actually, it depends on what article you read. But there's huge changes between me and my brother (as I said earlier) and we're only 8 years apart. I'm '78 he's '86. I almost fully GenX in my ways of thinking (life is shit, the system is broken but there isn't much I can do about it so I'll just rail against it, etc) and his ways of thinking (America will always do what's best for the country in the end, people are great and want to make the best out of society, everyone is good, etc).
And it's funny you say that because they actually say I'm in this weird in-between generation because I started school after computers were a thing but by the time I was an early teen, computers were common at home. The Catalano Generation. We're named for the same guy who plays the new Joker. I have no idea what I think of that.
Apparently Xennials is a "thing" that you/we're apart of :O
maximum360
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Please see the bolded.
Bedameister
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Somehow I thought Millennials would be considered the ones born after 2000. Guess I'm wrong. So I am a millennial which means they're great of course.
I'm next-gen.
Then why don't you talk about this "certain religion" instead of painting all religions with your brush of intolerance?
Incredible. This is one of the dumbest things that I've read in a while. This sad display of ignorance explains your hypocritical intolerance.
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CoffeeJanitor
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It really is. People are a product of the time and world they live in. That never changes.
Too much has happened for this to be a relevant generational grouping.
I'm born in 82 and a millennial.
When I was born, most people didn't have a computer (at the end of high school, some still didnt).
There were three TV channels. The introduction of the fourth one was a national occasion.
Growing up was dial up bbses and later hogging the phone while I was on mirc.
It was pretty carefree because tomorrow the evil Soviets would drop the bomb and everyone would be dead.
Less than half of the people had Internet when I graduated high school.
My first job was working on a mainframe. At university we learned Unix and raytracing. Java was going to be the shit.
I was an adult when 9/11 happened.
I am somehow the same generation as kids that watched youtube on flat screens in the first years of elementary school.
spindashing
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Get a load of this millenial.
Rabbi_Vole
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No.
old manatee
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All I know is that the boomers are the fucking worst.
King Mystery
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I was born in 81. Does this mean I get to be a Gen X'er?
Ziltoidia 9
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This is a good read:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ar...isnt_millennials_its_baby_boomers_125184.html
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ar...isnt_millennials_its_baby_boomers_125184.html
Rabbi_Vole
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No. I think 79's the cutoff.
Vincent Grayson
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I think the shift away from monoculture has changed a lot of these groupings forever, but people are weirdly attached to the idea of generational gaps over more localized geographic ones (though even that is changing with the advent of strong online communities).
Oddly, I was born the same year as you, but we had a full suite of cable channels growing up, internet as soon as it was becoming available (starting with Prodigy and moving to real internet in the mid 90s), and by the time I was in 9th or 10th grade, pretty much everyone was online and using AIM or ICQ to chat nonstop. And I don't think anyone I knew, myself included, worried about communism or soviet Russia.
Because it's not just a "certain religion" - it's multiple. I'm not singling out 1 religion, I'm singling out most. Whether you want to think this or not, most religions are opposed to homosexuality.
The religions OK with homosexuality:
Hindu
Paganistic religions (most, if not all)
The religions undefined:
Sikh
The religions opposed:
Christianity
Islam
Judaism
Buddhism
Bahá'í
As for my "ignorance" - please educate me on what I said was factually wrong. Where are the atheists blowing people up in the name of their god(s)? Where are the secularists that decided to hunt witches and burn them at the stake? Where are the Humanists that are spending literally billions of dollars trying to make sure that same-sex marriage is illegal and stigmatized? Hell, tell me where the non-believers are that are trying to force people out of their "holy land".
You can call me ignorant all you want, but facts are facts and they remain unchanged despite you wanting to dismiss me. Religion has been used to start all out wars and assaults for literally thousands of years. Might the wars have occurred otherwise? Maybe. But I highly doubt we'd have the Israeli-Palestinian conflict right now if it weren't for religion, considering that's literally *about* religion. And that's just 1 example of a plethora I can pull out.
When you're told you're a bad person for being who you are, when you're discriminated against because of how you feel and literally who you're wired (hard, soft, psychological, whatever) to love, get back to me and we can discuss religion and it's impact on you as well. Until then, step off please. And if saying what I've said makes me "hypocritically intolerant" then I wear that badge with pride. Saying I should be tolerant of intolerance is the biggest bullshit cop-out answer. I don't have to be tolerant of something that's literally fucking over my life.
No, I celebrate millennials if for nothing else than they're open minded and willing to accept people as they are. They don't need a religion to dictate to them how to think. Their individuality is one of their biggest shining strengths. "Exponentially less religious" is an amazing thing and as I said, I hope that the trend continues. If you want to be religious and spiritual, fine. Good for you. Keep it away from me.
Edited - I don't actually hate religion like I know I sound here. What I hate is ignorance and stupidity and the effect that religion has on its followers to not think for themselves. And this thread isn't about religion anyway. It's about millennials. Go millennials. Or something.
King Mystery
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But I don't have anything in common with millennials. I prefer old school hip hop, like the cool lyrical stylings of the best rapper to ever check a mic; KRS-One. Outside of that, I love 80's pop music (Dead Alive, Depeche Mode, Blancmange), C&C Music Factory, Snap!, 90s house music, and some of the newer (Kavinksy, Nero, Wolfgang Gartner). But I don't even know who any of these new rappers are. Chief Keef, Drake, Souljah Boy, Kanye West-- I can't name a single title of one of their songs.
I like to watch older shows like Sanford and Son, Mission Impossible (1966), Twin Peaks, Family Matters, which I grew up on along with Nickelodeon (Salute Your Shorts, Are You Afraid of the Dark, Double Dear, Clarissa Explains It All, Alex Mac), Star Trek: TNG, but also some newer shows like Breaking Bad, Homeland, and Game of Thrones. I saw the first Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles movie in theaters, along with Total Recall, and Double Dragon.
Millennial don't know nothing about no Double Dragon, which I played in the broadwalk arcades of Coney Island and Atlantic city along with other games like Street Fighter, Mortal Kombat, P.O.W., Bad Dudes, Rampage, Rolling Thunder, Samurai Showdown, Super Sprint, and Outrun.
I owned an Atari 2600 and played the hell out of Berzerk, Missile Command, Asteroids, and Knight Rider.
Speaking of Knight Rider, I'm going back to college in two weeks for a CS degree. Do you think those millennials I'm going to stuck in there with know anything about Knight Rider!? I bet they don't even know who David Hasselhoff is.
I took an Intro to Earth Science class during my last semester at the community college I just graduated from. It was nothing but wall to wall teenage girls (seems to be less boys going to college these days?) except myself. My professor was a stereotypical nerd who told us he went to comic conventions and much loved Canada over the U.S. Anyway, he keep making all sorts of references/jokes to things like Xena, X-Files, Captain Planet, etc. and I was the only one who got them.
How can I be millennial!?!??!
http://www.slate.com/articles/life/...generation_stuck_between_gen_x_and_the_m.html
That's you, my man. You and me both. Everything you wrote, that was me as well. Except Atlantic City. Mine was Ocean City, MD
I remember when my fam and I went to Orlando and they had Nickelodeon Studios down there and I got to watch them taping Clarissa Explains It All.
That was the shit.
Although, to be fair, everyone knows who the Hoff is - but mostly for Boobwatch.
I don't know about the others but there is no punishment for homosexuality in the Quran.
Hitler was a secularist/atheist. I'll assume that you know what he did. The Soviets were militant atheists and did a lot worse in the name of atheism than blow a few people up in a crowded market. They slaughtered 12-20 million Christians. Pol Pot and Mao Zedong were atheists as well. If you don't know who they are google them, I'm not here to give you a history lesson.
Oh and if you think the atheist paradise that was the Soviet Union accepted homosexuals with open arms, think again. Homosexuality was a crime and considered a disease in the Soviet Union.
Do you seriously think that an ethnic group of people taking the land of another ethnic group wouldn't result in a conflict without religion?
Wow, so do I!
What? How does that work? Doesn't Buddhism entertain the realization of no self or duality? How can it infer gays are bad? That literally infers a perspective of self and of dualism.
Generational groupings aren't set in stone and are pretty much just theoretical. The boundaries between them aren't strictly defined. They also mostly just deal with society in the United States.
In fact, there are also sort of small "sub" generations that act as a blending transitional period between "major" generations in this line of thought. You have "generation jones" that is a short transitionary phase between Baby Boomers and Gen X -- basically people born in the late 50's or early 1960's. Obama technically fits into this group. He's in the age group technically closer to Boomers but thinks a little bit more like someone from Gen X. My parents are on the younger end of the "Boomer" phase, but still think like Boomers.
More recent you have what's called "Generation Cold Y" which melds the tail end of Gen X with millennials. These are considered to be people born in the beginning of the 80's who grew up with computer technology at a young age but still remember the end of the Cold War.
When people talk about statistics for millennials, I've seen them mostly just say people who are currently between the ages of 18 and 34.
Overall, I think generational groupings do have some use because someone born in 1965 is going to come up in a different environment from someone born in 1985. They're going to grow up in different economies with different technology. More importantly each one will have different recent history to look back upon and react to. Demographic changes are also a big factor when comparing millennials to previous generations. Generational groupings obviously aren't gospel and there's no agreed-upon borderline though.
In fact, there are also sort of small "sub" generations that act as a blending transitional period between "major" generations in this line of thought. You have "generation jones" that is a short transitionary phase between Baby Boomers and Gen X -- basically people born in the late 50's or early 1960's. Obama technically fits into this group. He's in the age group technically closer to Boomers but thinks a little bit more like someone from Gen X. My parents are on the younger end of the "Boomer" phase, but still think like Boomers.
More recent you have what's called "Generation Cold Y" which melds the tail end of Gen X with millennials. These are considered to be people born in the beginning of the 80's who grew up with computer technology at a young age but still remember the end of the Cold War.
When people talk about statistics for millennials, I've seen them mostly just say people who are currently between the ages of 18 and 34.
Overall, I think generational groupings do have some use because someone born in 1965 is going to come up in a different environment from someone born in 1985. They're going to grow up in different economies with different technology. More importantly each one will have different recent history to look back upon and react to. Demographic changes are also a big factor when comparing millennials to previous generations. Generational groupings obviously aren't gospel and there's no agreed-upon borderline though.
The Quran has the story of Sodom and Gamorrah. No more clear definition than that. And also, if the Quran says nothing about it, then please tell it to these guys. Oh wait, their dead from being stoned to death... In the name of religion. And since you want to use the Quran, what about the Hadith? Or do you dismiss that the followers of Islam follow that as well?
Hitler was a christian outwardly until the very end. He, in fact, used the church as ways to get into the homes and assist him with taking over going so far as to say that he was there to kill jews for killing Jesus. The man might not have been religious himself (and he later denounced Christianity as well) but he didn't mind using religion for his violent ends. Again - he *used religion*. Exactly as you're arguing against.
Also, Mein Kampf had quite a few references to god -
And on and on.
That's just Hitler - I'm not going to go into the rest of your little tirade because frankly, it doesn't matter. You didn't at all refute that I said that religion has been used many many times to justify killing. And it has. You have, I'll be generous, 4 examples. I have a whole lot MORE than 4 examples. 3 of which were strictly Marxism-Communism-based atrocities. And those 3 were not killing "in the name of atheism", as it were. They were killing people to keep their control.
I'd like to point out that while Judiasm is both a religion and ethnic designation, the sole reason that Jewish followers went to Israel (originally all of Palestine) was because they felt it was their holy land. Jewish people literally feel the land is theirs because God promised the land to the patriarch Abraham. Like, that's literally one of their claims to the land. So yes, I don't think this conflict would be happening without religion.
Your entire arguments here hinge on "Well other people did things too." That's a fallacy. You can't and aren't able to refute anything I say, which is, religion has been the motivating factor for a lot of violence in the world. I would dare say a significant amount even. (And the rest were not because of religion, it was mostly because "Hey I want that land. Give it to me or I will beat you into submission.")
The Dali Lama has spoken out against homosexuality and said that it's inappropriate. Their holy texts in general tend to be more ambiguous but it depends on which "sect" you're talking about (like most other religions). An example is Theravada Buddhism - "homosexuality arises as a karmic consequence of violating Buddhist proscriptions against heterosexual misconduct. These karmic accounts describe homosexuality as a congenital condition which cannot be altered, at least in a homosexual person's current lifetime, and have been linked with calls for compassion and understanding from the non-homosexual populace." Basically like Catholics: "God gave you homosexuality as a cross to bear. Don't do it and you'll be accepted into heaven".
Seriously, last post on this because this is completely far and away from anything having to do with millennials and is no longer appropriate. Suffice it to say, I think it's great that millennials are moving away from religion in general. If you disagree, cool story bro. We're not gonna change each others' minds.
You Are Viewtiful
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Brah flat screens came out in the late 2000s? Even the tail end would have been 14 or 15 when those came out. Same with YouTube :s
The main definer of Millenials is people who entered a shitty job market (2007-2015).
Unless the story of Sodom and Gammorah is something else in the Quran the main focus of that story is not homosexuals, that was just a city full of bad people
We're talking about what's written in the Quran so I'm not sure why you posted that link. Would you like to find a link with people professing to be atheists doing bad things?
The people of Lot who did deviant sexual acts were punished by God for attacking the Prophet and raping angels. Again, the Quran has no punishment for homosexuality. If there is a specific hadith that you wish to discuss, post it, but we're talking about the Quran.
I'm sorry but it's a well known fact that Hitler wasn't Christian. I'm surprised that anyone would think otherwise. He actually hated Christianity in particular. His use of religious imagery in his speeches doesn't mean that he is Christian.
It doesn't matter?
You asked and I answered. Don't tell me that it doesn't matter, after the fact.
Tthey were killing in the name of atheism. It was a central part of their ideology. Why else would they specifically target and murder Christians, if not for atheism?
If you want me to say that people haven't killed in the name of religion, it's not happening. Unlike you, I don't make ridiculous blanket statements that are easily proven to be wrong.
Well yeah, that's how this whole thing started. You asked me where the murdering atheists were and I answered. I am simply pointing out how utterly wrong you are in thinking that atheism hasn't led to violence. This "the world would be a better place without religion" nonsense is a ridiculous and sad display of ignorance.
Goddamnit. I said I wasn't going to respond.
Bullshit. The people who killed weren't killing in the name of atheism. They weren't killing in the name of their "god". They were chasing out (and killing) religious people because they saw that the religious people would deflect away from their power, not because they were doing it in the "name" of atheism.
Those were murdering atheists but my question was "Where are the atheists blowing people up in the name of their god(s)? " Answer: there aren't.
Since you want to go along those lines - why would Hitler want to exterminate all jews? It wasn't because he was an atheist, it was because he found them to be genetically and morally inferior. Hitler wasn't killing Christians. If he were killing in the name of atheism, he'd kill anyone who had faith and/or religion, not just a specific set of religious followers. Similarly, Communists weren't killing in the name of atheism and they weren't killing Christians just because they had belief - otherwise they'd kill more than just Christians.
You literally cannot find an example of atheists killing people in the name of atheism. If you think you can, I'm completely open to links. Otherwise, to paraphrase you, "I'm not here to educate you."
No, we're talking about islamists, not just the Quran. Islamists don't just follow the Quran therefore the fact that you called it out specifically is moot. Yes, it is their main holy text, however it's not their *only* holy text. They also follow others. You're the one that said "There's no punishment for homosexuality in the Quran" but we're talking religions here that don't like homosexuality, not just certain books from those religions. You're the one that singled out the Quran while disregarding the rest of the religion in general and you don't get to do that in this conversation. I named off religions that don't agree with homosexuality. You cherry-picked the book of one religion to use as an example. That doesn't mean the religion as a whole is suddenly OK with the gays just because there isn't mention of punishment of the gays. My link to the video of the guys getting killed illustrates that - that *Islamic people* are killing gays in the name of *Islam*. Again, we circle back to "People killing in the name of their religion, which is why I think it's good that millennials are moving away from religion".
If it makes you feel better though, you win that one. There's nothing in the Quran that states that homosexuality has punishment. It does speak against homosexuality in general, and like it or not, Lut (Lot) is referenced as an example of rampant homosexuality. Same with the bible. Sodomy is literally named after Sodom and Gamorrah.
Here are the hadith quotes I was referencing -
And no, I wouldn't like to find a link with people professing to be atheists doing bad things - I want you to.
This isn't exactly correct nor are his religious beliefs that cut and dry. People are still studying and trying to completely understand his religious beliefs.
I don't give a damn what you do or don't say. And I have yet to be proven wrong. Again, if I'm wrong here, I'm happy to read links on research you've done.
I agree but homosexuality is one of those bad things that the bad people did. They also wanted to rape others and just do crappy shit in general. Sodom and Gamorrah is frequently used as an example of the bible being against homosexuality - it was 1 of the many "sins" going on there.
Bullshit. The people who killed weren't killing in the name of atheism. They weren't killing in the name of their "god". They were chasing out (and killing) religious people because they saw that the religious people would deflect away from their power, not because they were doing it in the "name" of atheism.
Those were murdering atheists but my question was "Where are the atheists blowing people up in the name of their god(s)? " Answer: there aren't.
Since you want to go along those lines - why would Hitler want to exterminate all jews? It wasn't because he was an atheist, it was because he found them to be genetically and morally inferior. Hitler wasn't killing Christians. If he were killing in the name of atheism, he'd kill anyone who had faith and/or religion, not just a specific set of religious followers. Similarly, Communists weren't killing in the name of atheism and they weren't killing Christians just because they had belief - otherwise they'd kill more than just Christians.
You literally cannot find an example of atheists killing people in the name of atheism. If you think you can, I'm completely open to links. Otherwise, to paraphrase you, "I'm not here to educate you."
No, we're talking about islamists, not just the Quran. Islamists don't just follow the Quran therefore the fact that you called it out specifically is moot. Yes, it is their main holy text, however it's not their *only* holy text. They also follow others. You're the one that said "There's no punishment for homosexuality in the Quran" but we're talking religions here that don't like homosexuality, not just certain books from those religions. You're the one that singled out the Quran while disregarding the rest of the religion in general and you don't get to do that in this conversation. I named off religions that don't agree with homosexuality. You cherry-picked the book of one religion to use as an example. That doesn't mean the religion as a whole is suddenly OK with the gays just because there isn't mention of punishment of the gays. My link to the video of the guys getting killed illustrates that - that *Islamic people* are killing gays in the name of *Islam*. Again, we circle back to "People killing in the name of their religion, which is why I think it's good that millennials are moving away from religion".
If it makes you feel better though, you win that one. There's nothing in the Quran that states that homosexuality has punishment. It does speak against homosexuality in general, and like it or not, Lut (Lot) is referenced as an example of rampant homosexuality. Same with the bible. Sodomy is literally named after Sodom and Gamorrah.
Here are the hadith quotes I was referencing -
And no, I wouldn't like to find a link with people professing to be atheists doing bad things - I want you to.
This isn't exactly correct nor are his religious beliefs that cut and dry. People are still studying and trying to completely understand his religious beliefs.
I don't give a damn what you do or don't say. And I have yet to be proven wrong. Again, if I'm wrong here, I'm happy to read links on research you've done.
I agree but homosexuality is one of those bad things that the bad people did. They also wanted to rape others and just do crappy shit in general. Sodom and Gamorrah is frequently used as an example of the bible being against homosexuality - it was 1 of the many "sins" going on there.
User 73706
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So you've set up a false equivalence impossible to refute, is what you're saying.
Pretty sure Hitler fits the bill perfectly if we're actually having a two-way conversation.
How is it a false equivalence to say there's been no such thing as someone saying "I'm blowing up this building because there's no God!" vs "I'm blowing up this building because Allah hates infidels!" or "I'm taking this land because God gave it to Abraham for us!"? I mean, really. How many times have you heard that an Atheist planted a car bomb because he's trying to show the rest of the world that God doesn't exist. People kill in the name of their religion. Atheists have not, nor ever, killed for their (lack of) religion.
Also, Hitler didn't kill Christians. Atheism had very little, if anything, to do with the reasons he exterminated those that were, to him, "undesirable". There is no proof that Hitler's religion (or lack thereof) had anything to do with why he was trying to exterminate Jews. So he doesn't really fit the bill in any way of the conversation we're having.
I get that people don't want (their) religions criticized - and I don't actually think religion, when kept to ones self (IE not used to create a morality for others) is bad. I don't even consider myself an atheist. But to kid yourself to say that atheists have done things "in the name of atheism" is a joke. People who are atheists have done bad things - but there's a huge difference between a person killing who happens to be an atheist vs an extremist Islamic follower killing because he thinks his God commands it. Both cause death, but one is literally in the name of their God. The other is not. Both things are shit, but if there was no Islam, there'd be no killing in the name of God.
888
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I was an 84 kid. I feel many times I was born in the wrong generation. Don't get me wrong. I dig the tech and stuff but the general attitude of this generation is so lazy at times. I see it professionally and socially all the time. Instant gratification and the vibe that we want everything handed to us drives me nuts.
I guess a lot has to do with how we are raised, which would fall on the generation before soooo. Let's blame them
I guess a lot has to do with how we are raised, which would fall on the generation before soooo. Let's blame them
Hunkasaurus Rex
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We need another 10 years to pass before we can judge how we'll turn out. We certainly have our flaws but I think we have much more stacked against us than the past 2-3 generations. I am getting rather sick of baby boomers calling us entitled assholes. If we are, it's because they raised us that way.
deltatheta
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Like other people have mentioned in this thread, putting everyone born in the 80's and later into a single generation makes the label of millennial pretty meaningless. Huge difference between growing up in a world that's undergoing radical technological change and being born into a changed world. There's value in reasoning about how the cultural atmosphere affects the personalities of generations of people in aggregate, but it's a meaningless exercise if you make the generations so wide that people within the generation were experiencing completely different circumstances as they grew up.
Fully agreed. And to piggyback on this weird side conversation, I'll add that totalitarian dictatorships are only about power and control. So is religion. They are natural enemies, not because religion believes in a god and stalin, hitler, pol pot, etc. didn't. No, it's a tale as old as time itself - religion was merely competition. It's akin to a lion taking out his competitor and then his competitor's children. It's literally nothing more than that. Why did Stalin ruthlessly exile, pursue, and kill Trotsky and his allies? Was he killing them too in the name of atheism? No, they were merely obstacles to his power and control, same as the Orthodox church and Christians. Literally the same goes for every other piece of shit dictator we've witnessed.
Anyways, back to the topic...
Probably more like 30 years till we see what happens. No one cares what generations do in their youth when they don't hold power. Baby boomers didn't start out as complete assholes either. It's what happens when you got yours and that won't happen till you not only gain positions of power, but you grow that power and use it and wield it over others. The oldest millennial is like what - in their mid 30s and the youngest are still in middle school? Yeah, it's going to take a couple of decades to see what this generation really produces and how it rules and shapes the world.
Hmm. Not being american my opinion on the matter might be completely off, but I usually don't see as much clashing between the age groups of millennials and baby boomers, other than the usual "x generation is the worst", however in that respect what I'm seeing that the older people seem to have a harder time to accept "their time has passed" which affects the youngest the most.
Lion Heart
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We'll go down as the greatest GIF makers in all eternity. Years from now people will look back at our GIF abilities the way people look at Movie directors in the golden area.
Strangelove77
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Well, I know I'm great. Don't know about anyone else.
unholyrevenger72
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If we can turn the world around and prevent it's collapse from all the damage done to it by boomers and genXers, then yes. If the world Collapses, then no.
Atheists have killed in the name of atheism. I've shown you several examples and for some reason, you aren't understanding it. Let's look at your original question again.
Where are the atheists blowing people up in the name of their god(s)?
Where are the secularists that decided to hunt witches and burn them at the stake?
First let us analyse the purpose of these questions. Your questions essentially boil down to "where are the atheists killing in the name of atheism". I answered this question and you responded by deflecting with claims that the persecution of religious people doesn't count. Read that sentence again and think to yourself how such a thing could even make sense. Atheists killing those who don't subscribe to their ideology doesn't count but religious people killing those who don't subscribe to their ideology does...
Your argument, "they were killing for power, not for ideology" could be used in any conflict. I could say the same thing about ISIS, for example. They aren't killing for ideology, they are using ideology to gain more power and territory. And anyone who doesn't follow their ideology deflects from their power. Sure, the killers may say God's name while they kill, suggesting they think they are acting for a greater good, but what of the Soviet atheists who were killing the Christians? If they were true Marxists-Leninist, they would be thinking that they are acting for the greater good by removing the blight of religion from their state. They wouldn't say God's name because they don't believe in god but that really doesn't make a difference. It is about intention. Are they killing for their ideology, or are they not? The Soviets were killing in the name of atheism.
And if you still think that atheism isn't a part of their ideology, here is what Leninist had to say.
Where are the Humanists that are spending literally billions of dollars trying to make sure that same-sex marriage is illegal and stigmatized?
As said before, homosexuality was a crime in the Soviet Union. I don't know if they spent billions of dollars on it but it was illegal and stigmatised. Oh, but it was okay because the Soviets were trying to increase their birthrate, right? They didn't actually hate homosexuals. We all know that atheists can't do that!
Hell, tell me where the non-believers are that are trying to force people out of their "holy land".
Atheists don't have a holy land, but they have forced people out of lands they deemed theirs. As I have said several times before, the Soviet Union massacred and persecuted religious people. These people were forced to hide or leave. 12-20 million Christians were killed because of state atheism. It also happened in France and it also happened in Mexico.
I'll just respond to the bolded here since the silliness that follows has been addressed above. Hitler hated Judaism and attempted to eradicate Judaism first because it was easiest. Hitler wasn't killing Christians because it would have been suicide. Instead, he opted for more subtle tactics. Of course, this is all mixed with his Aryan race nonsense.
I've found several examples but your cognitive dissonance is preventing you from seeing them. Throughout history, atheism was never in a position of power until the French Revolution. During that time, 30,000 priests were forced out of France. Those that did not leave were beheaded. Of course, those priests weren't killed because of atheism. It was for power or something. And the Mexican Revolution? Definitely didn't happen.
No, we weren't talking about Islamists. We were talking about the Quran.
Actually, I do. The Quran is the perfect book and takes precedence over everything else. The Quran isn't a "certain book", it is the book. Here is what the Quran has to say on the subject.
Sounds a little different, doesn't it?
Unlike you, I speak of things that I am familiar with. I am not interested in discussing the other religions. Islam is not okay with homosexual acts just like Islam is not okay with adultery and shirk (which are much worse, actually). There is no punishment for homosexual acts in Islam. Feelings of homosexuality are obviously not a sin. Your link doesn't illustrate much. It's a well known fact that ISIS does as they please. They don't follow the Quran and are Muslims in name only. Are they killing in the name of religion? They are killing in the name of whatever warped ideologies that they are following, sure. That doesn't reflect on the actual correct form of the religion as a whole though.
Well, other than the millions killed throughout history that I have discussed numerous times, there is the prosecution of the 70 million Falun Gong practioners in China, leading to torture, psychiatric abuse and forced labour. As for a random person, professing to be an atheist, doing bad things. There is the murderer of the Chapel Hill shooting that comes to mind.
You've been proven wrong again and again. I'm actually surprised that you're still holding on.
Now that you have been educated from your ignorance, I hope that you can become a more tolerant person.
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Our Generation has had no Great War, no Great Depression. Our war is spiritual. Our depression is our lives.
Boomers are politically speaking assholes who left us in the poison called neo-liberalism just after they benefited from social-democratic policies. No criticism coming from them should be taken seriously because of that.
I can't really say anything of Millennials yet but there is hope.
I can't really say anything of Millennials yet but there is hope.
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This type of thinking is why empires inevitably fall.
This. I had this classification crap.
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