You guys remember that Black Hound site? (www.ingsoc.org)
They wrote "currently unannounced nintendo console" but if you use the picture naming pattern for the PS4 and Xbox logos with the Nintendo name, you get this:
http://ingsoc.org/images/Nintendo_Platform.png
So yeah - it's 99,99% fake unless Nintendo really names their next console "Dreamcast" (I would love it)
When an NCL employee says it's foolish to expect Nintendo to release hardware at the PS4 level it's pretty telling which direction they're taking with the NX console
I'd love XB1 power though ;p
To be honest a revamped Wiiu gamepad can be made a lot cheaper. A standard iphone5 touchscreen can be found for less than 10$ on alibaba, i'm sure there are better prices in bulk.If they put a screen on the controller again, as that patent may suggest, I fear for how that will affect cost/performance once again.
I'm fine with the NX staying at or around WiiU's power level, it's perfectly serviceable for me. What I'm most interested in at this point is the handheld cross-compatibility.
I personally don't think that is what he was saying. What he was saying is that if you think Nintendo will play the power game "just" to play it then you are wrong. They won't look at it as a oh we have to give our console this much power because Sony has X amount of power. They will like always look at the games (and hopefully) their third party situation and make the determination on the level of power needed.
I'm fine with the NX staying at or around WiiU's power level, it's perfectly serviceable for me. What I'm most interested in at this point is the handheld cross-compatibility.
To be honest a revamped Wiiu gamepad can be made a lot cheaper. A standard iphone5 touchscreen can be found for less than 10$ on alibaba, i'm sure there are better prices in bulk.
Dropping the "I know an NCL employee said this" means nothing, literally nothing. For the record, some of us know employees of the company and subsidiaries, and they are trained to a level that if they actually know something, they wouldn't tell you, and you would have the etiquette of not asking them
The NX hardware is still a premature machine; the architecture and blueprint are probably set in stone, but the final chip set, features, and industrial design are probably in a state of nebulous. Expecting PS4 performance may be out of the question, but if they can provide more powerful hardware than the Wii U (without the taxation of mandatory streaming to the GamePad) and still work with the whole NX console - NX hand held philosophy, that is already a winner.
I'd be interested in knowing where they can shave costs off the Gamepad for next gen. The chipset seems quite basic and the screen itself is low quality, although there is the necessary circuitry for streaming, of course.
Afaik the problem was that (until recently?) all gamepads were produced before or very close after launch. Nintendo expected to sell so many (5.5m in the first six months), they ordered a huge amount of parts for it. I think it was for +/- 10m consoles. Can't find the sources anymore, but there are discussions about it on gaf somewhere.
So they never were able to cost reduce. In 2016 a similar pad with off the shelf parts and a smaller screen would be a lot cheaper.
What did he hear?I think ShockingAlberto heard something very similar, though.
I concur. This seems to line up with what Nintendo has said about hardware power in the past.
This :What did he hear?
He said this back in early July.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=170937503&postcount=2007ShockingAlberto said:Yo that was me.
It was actually that exact line. "It's not like we're building an intentionally weak console."
Take it for what it's worth, I had no follow up questions to the person who gave it to me.
The funny thing is that he was replying to you after you asked me which insider I referred when I originally mentioned what he said. Full circle.
Damn this bump.
I'm fine with the NX staying at or around WiiU's power level, it's perfectly serviceable for me. What I'm most interested in at this point is the handheld cross-compatibility.
What did he hear?
I think ShockingAlberto heard something very similar, though. I too would be very surprised if this quote actually came from an NCL employee. As for the machine itself, I would believe that the chipset is very far along, but perhaps things like RAM and clockspeed aren't quite final. Wii U's GPU was pretty much finalized in 2010 except for tweaks.
Edit: D'oh. Back to back posts.
While UE4 support will be important for Japanese third party support, Nintendo's likely going to stick with their own in-house engines.Man after seeing the Unreal Engine 4 tech using Mario and Samus, I really hope Nintendo at least makes the NX powerful enough to run the engine. I'd be perfectly fine with that.
Why do people think it'a going to best the PS4 in specs? That would be stupid if it doesn't.
Because of a number of reasons.Why do people think it isn't going to best the PS4 in specs? That would be stupid if it doesn't.
Afaik the problem was that (until recently?) all gamepads were produced before or very close after launch. Nintendo expected to sell so many (5.5m in the first six months), they ordered a huge amount of parts for it. I think it was for +/- 10m consoles. Can't find the sources anymore, but there are discussions about it on gaf somewhere.
So they never were able to cost reduce. In 2016 a similar pad with off the shelf parts and a smaller screen would be a lot cheaper.
Wow, this is interesting. 5.5M is definitely an overzealous prediction for 6 months of sales, but it's not batshit crazy. That miscalculation may have been disastrous for them, as the Wii-U could have potentially had a jolt of sales momentum with some early price cuts a la the 3DS.
My point was more along the lines, that an NCL employee doesn't necessarily mean they have access to this top clearance information. Especially considering how compartmentalized the departments are between NCL/NOA and the subsidiaries. It isn't outlandish for anyone, NCL employee or rational forum poster, to provide conjecture like - yeah we are hearing that Nintendo is going to go conservative on the hardware specs and is experimenting with a Mario game.
I think we would all comfortably assume Nintendo is being conservative and working on a new Mario game for NX.
Now if we got something actually concrete; like a technology partner or an acquisition or a real game prototype, then even an alleged source is something of interest.
I have to imagine it'll be at least as powerful as PS4 if it drops in 2016, let alone 2017.
that still follows the trend Wii and Wii U have set: as/a bit more powerful as the last gen consoles, hilariously underpowered compared to the other current gen consoles.
To release a console in 2016 that is less powerful than last gen hardware is fucking insanity. I wouldn't put it past Nintendo, but that seems crazy to me. they could probably put out a PS4 equivalent box in holiday 2016 and sell it for $250 at a profit.
I have to imagine it'll be at least as powerful as PS4 if it drops in 2016, let alone 2017.
that still follows the trend Wii and Wii U have set: as/a bit more powerful as the last gen consoles, hilariously underpowered compared to the other current gen consoles.
To release a console in 2016 that is less powerful than last gen hardware is fucking insanity. I wouldn't put it past Nintendo, but that seems crazy to me. they could probably put out a PS4 equivalent box in holiday 2016 and sell it for $250 at a profit.
Because of a number of reasons.
- Nintendo likely won't get western third party support back regardless, which would be the main reason for cutting-edge specs.
- It would make the NX Console rather expensive.
- Anyone who cares about power either already own a PS4/XB1/Gaming PC or plan on getting one.
I don't understand the power argument. I have a Wii U, and honestly, this console is powerful enough to make very fun and pretty games for HD TVs.
As Nintendo is an enterprise that tries to be profitable from day-one, I think that the power of their next console will be moderate. And this is fine by me.
I have to imagine it'll be at least as powerful as PS4 if it drops in 2016, let alone 2017.
that still follows the trend Wii and Wii U have set: as/a bit more powerful as the last gen consoles, hilariously underpowered compared to the other current gen consoles.
To release a console in 2016 that is less powerful than last gen hardware is fucking insanity. I wouldn't put it past Nintendo, but that seems crazy to me. they could probably put out a PS4 equivalent box in holiday 2016 and sell it for $250 at a profit.
The graphics are fine for me, the speed of the OS and lack of multitasking is what I don't like. I just want a faster experience. I would've loved to be able to still run the game on the TV screen and load miiverse on the gamepad at the same time without anything pausing. They kind of made it look like it'd do exactly that in the prerelease trailers. I was so disappointed in the first day it released.This. The only thing that bothered me about the games' graphics was the lack of AA.
If Nintendo wants to attract any non-Nintendo fans, then they will either have to build a console more powerful than their competitors or a console with such broad-base appeal that even non-gamers will be drawn in. I don't think that the latter is a realistic option so if Nintendo doesn't go for a competitive console, that means that they're willing to settle for Wii U owners as their customer base. That seems like a very bad idea.
If Nintendo wants to attract any non-Nintendo fans, then they will either have to build a console more powerful than their competitors or a console with such broad-base appeal that even non-gamers will be drawn in. I don't think that the latter is a realistic option so if Nintendo doesn't go for a competitive console, that means that they're willing to settle for Wii U owners as their customer base. That seems like a very bad idea.
If they pick anything but ARM the whole concept goes down the toilet.What are the chances that Nintendo really wants to get on the x86 platform to facilitate easy porting?
ARM is proven for both console & handheld. x86 is doable on handhelds, but isn't as efficient to my knowledge. So yeah, I agree on Nintendo going for ARM.If they pick anything but ARM the whole concept goes down the toilet.
So I'd say 65%.
If Nintendo wants to attract any non-Nintendo fans, then they will either have to build a console more powerful than their competitors or a console with such broad-base appeal that even non-gamers will be drawn in. I don't think that the latter is a realistic option so if Nintendo doesn't go for a competitive console, that means that they're willing to settle for Wii U owners as their customer base. That seems like a very bad idea.
If Nintendo wants the console & handheld to be the same platform with the same architecture & OS, the. ARM is the best choice. x86 isn't impossible on handhelds, it's just not efficient. The Japanese won't care as long as the NX Console is supported by Epic for UE4.Can't get x86 to work on handhelds? Fuck handhelds then
It'll probably be ARM-based.
If Nintendo wants to attract any non-Nintendo fans, then they will either have to build a console more powerful than their competitors or a console with such broad-base appeal that even non-gamers will be drawn in. I don't think that the latter is a realistic option so if Nintendo doesn't go for a competitive console, that means that they're willing to settle for Wii U owners as their customer base. That seems like a very bad idea.