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[Protome]

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I really don't think this is the case unless her design was literally the very first thing they did related to the story. The parasites that give her her powers are the central point to the whole plot and they're the reason everything is happening. Without the parasites there is no story since no one would have a reason to be where they are.

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But they also give other people powers and none of them walk around without clothes on.

 

[akidnamededdy]

What reason are you talking about?

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Photosynthesis? Which multiple other characters in the series have? Who all wear clothes because Kojima didn't want to put half naked old men in the series.

Thinker:

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The End was actually naked the whole time but was so old and his photosynthesis so advanced that he was covered in moss.

How great people's lives must be if this is something that deeply affects them.

 

[Neuromancer]

I hear later on you unlock an outfit that actually covers her up a little. I look forward to the option. That said it doesn't bother me; just another ridiculous thing in a game full of ridiculous things.

 

[Warxard]

The sexualization in Bayonetta is literally the point of the game. Bayonetta is in control of her sexuality, her provocative tendencies and serves an actual purpose. It's the closest thing to a female power fantasy on the market right now.

Quiet is just some chick in lingerie for no reason. It's dumb.

 

[RealityCheque]

The humming, THE HUMMING!!!

Hey Quiet, live up to your name and BE FUCKING QUIET!!!

And OP you're right. It's needless and honestly puts me off using her, I often play in the same room as my wife and kids and it makes me feel like I'm watching softcore porn in front of them. It's arseways Kojima stuff, same as Eve in MGS3.

Besides, DD is a way more useful sidekick, he dresses appropriately for the battlefield and his loyalty is unquestioned!

 

[Shaanyboi]

Bayonetta's never comes off as pointless, it's just portrayed as part of her personality, part of her style, etc.

Everything about Quiet comes off as a lame excuse. Correction. It is a lame excuse. Want to put her in a bikini? Fine. Where's the narrative justification for the fucking creepy leery camera? Kojima could atleast be direct with his intentions instead of trying to raise it as something it's not.

 

[Dugna]

Wait can't you hire women as members of Diamond Dogs? and those women wear completely full armor like the men do...so literally quiet is the only one who wears that stuff

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because of her abilities.

 

[MichaelFassbender]

Compared to 90% of the cast of the other games, she's not that bad. Plus, she has the ability to to create mass confusion in enemy camps which is completely hilarious.

 

[Brutalitops]

Should be less clothes tbh.

 

[Alucrid]

Didn't killer is dead release in between the two of them?

 

[backflip10019]

Is it silly and sexist? Kinda, yeah.

Does every single game need to fall precisely within the same rigid constraints that society places on sexuality? No, it doesn't.

 

[CassidyIzABeast]

You just didnt get what Kojima was trying to say. Its deep stuff.

 

[Scientist Supreme!]

The whole "Ashamed of your words and deeds" seems totally tongue in cheek in retrospect.

 

[mgs2master2]

The woman is clad only in a slight bikini top and torn tights. She positions herself suggestively (bent over) and often her cleavage takes center frame in shots (such as taking her in the helicopter). When left alone in my base she lays on her stomach and undoes the string of her top to reveal even more of her ample breasts. When in my helicopter during a mission-select sequence she will stretch with her butt facing Snake (and by extension, the spectator).

Her breasts have their own jiggle physics.

She does not speak. Her abilities include disappearing entirely. She takes commands without question.

Thus far, she's the only woman I've encountered in the game, beyond the name of Mother Base.

The men on Mother Base hate her and initially try to kill her but instead restrain her and keep her locked in a cell. Men who try to clothe her leave the encounter "breathing through tubes."

The reason she refuses to wear clothes is that she takes air and water through her skin.

without explaining with spoilers

1) progress the story to understand why
2) Breasts cant have jiggle physicsl? MY WORD.
3) Progress story
4) Go recruit some women. I have S rank combat unit women who i deploy in the field time from time
5) progress story
6) progress story


in short, Progress story then be ashamed of words and deeds later. This thread is non issue.

 

[0.1.1.2.3.5.8.13.21.34.55]

I'm fine with it.

+1

 

[ViolentP]

In an age of rape simulators, arguing about MGS5 is like blaming the lighter in my pocket for the Chicago fire.

 

[Einchy]

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But they also give other people powers and none of them walk around without clothes on.

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Code Talker is dressed but the other Skulls (which Quiet is) are half naked and that includes the males.

 

[akidnamededdy]

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But they also give other people powers and none of them walk around without clothes on.

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None of them have to breathe through their skin though. Quiet's lungs were destroyed. "Barbecued," as Miller put it I believe.

It's a dumb reason but there you go.

 

[cackhyena]

They gave a valid reason why, story wise, however shes also the most badass character in the game imo.

Not seeing the problem.

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You can get her to wear a uniform later on

lol

 

[mindsale]

i use the 'other people' rule.

like if im playing this game and some friends walk in the room, is it gonna look bizarre as fuck?

Some scenes with quiet, def.

That new street fighter character comes to mind too.

Yep. If I play this game, will my girlfriend shake her head and immediately write off videogames as male-pandering and look at me like a child with a stupid hobby.

If It's embarrassing to be seen playing, something's off.

 

[Tecnniqe]

Is it silly and sexist? Kinda, yeah.

Does every single game need to fall precisely within the same rigid constraints that society places on sexuality? No, it doesn't.

Who decides whats silly and sexist in video games thought?
What should and should not be allowed in games as an art form is what this boils down to.

 

[Oppo]

it is ridiculous.

but so is Bayonetta. her fiction doesn't "make more sense". hair magic vs mutant powers.

I wish they hadn't done that with Quiet. it's the definition of superfluous. at best.

 

[entremet]

Japan.

Kojima.

 

[Platy]

You mean the part

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where she kicks the private parts of a dude off?

The second half of this article explains it better than I would ever could

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2015-09-04-metal-gear-solid-5-quiet-kojima-ashamed

 

[styl3s]

not reading OP cause spoilers

but

- it does have needless sexualization

- bayonetta's wasnt needless at all. it's the entire game's thing

Isn't this also kind of MGS's thing? Are we all going to sit here and pretend the series isn't weird and bizarre and has overly sexualized characters period?

People acting like this is the first female in the MGS series to have her breasts hanging out and it most certainly isn't. I mean, yeah, she is overly sexualized but does it really matter in a series like MGS? It's ok for a bizarre game like Bayonetta to do it but not MGS?

 

[Papercuts]

This flavor scene sure is something.

 

[cw_sasuke]

You should be more open minded... It's her decision if she wants to move around like this.

 

[boofahead]

Does sexuality in movies bother you people as much as it does in games?

 

[Bumhead]

THAT cutscene is the most cringeworthy thing I've ever experienced in videogames.

MAYBE with the exception of God of War sex mini games.

I had to skip it. I don't think I could have looked anybody in the face again if they walked in the room while that was on.

 

[mattiewheels]

I think the introduction of the (post-mission 28 spoiler)

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female parasite squad was even worse, zoomed in on exaggerated boob jiggle, followed by their wiggling thonged butts. Completely asinine.

And the excuse Quiet has for dressing like a sex fantasy is really uninspired. Does the game ever go into why she was in the opening scene and what happened to her?

 

[MMarston]

Kojima.

 

[The Technomancer]

Is it silly and sexist? Kinda, yeah.

Does every single game need to fall precisely within the same rigid constraints that society places on sexuality? No, it doesn't.

No, but as someone pointed out elsewhere to me MGS, for all of its small touches of goofiness, is a series that actually does sort of want to be taken seriously about things like terrorism and warfare and the dangers of unchecked power and stuff. "Also boobies!" jars against that for a lot of people

 

[ced]

I find her interesting, but yes that outfit is as ridiculous and embarrassing as it can get.

 

[akidnamededdy]

Isn't this also kind of MGS's thing? Are we all going to sit here and pretend the series isn't weird and bizarre and has overly sexualized characters period?

People acting like this is the first female in the MGS series to have her breasts hanging out and it most certainly isn't. I mean, yeah, she is overly sexualized but does it really matter in a series like MGS? It's ok for a bizarre game like Bayonetta to do it but not MGS?

It's not okay for any game to do it, don't you know that pandering to an audience is bad if that audience happens to be males?

 

[Vincent Grayson]

Compared to 90% of the cast of the other games, she's not that bad. Plus, she has the ability to to create mass confusion in enemy camps which is completely hilarious.

Haha, yeah. I told her to cover me yesterday, and she ended up knocking out every single soldier in the camp before I even got there, all while they were running around freaking out.

 

[PaulKersey]

Quiet is a pretty cool character imo, and she's pretty damn OP, kinda sucks how she's so much better than the other partners as I love D Dog.

I initially thought this, too... But I've been using DD more and more. He doesn't cost any gmp to bring in and he spots EVERYTHING. I've used Quiet and had her miss some guards before. DD finds prisoners and mines constantly.

Alternate buddy outfit spoilers below!


Also, you can eventually get an outfit for DD that

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let's him Fulton people and animals.

That isn't quite as cool as Quiet's

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Sniper Wolf

outfit.

 

[Griss]

It's so extreme and so omnipresent that whether Kojima is making a point about sexualization of women in games or just going full-fucking-otaku having realised how good the scan of Joosten came out (and my god, did it ever), there is no doubt that it is intentionally over the top.

Personally, it doesn't bother me. I'm a straight guy, and whenever I catch sight of Quiet's breasts or whatever I can't lie, I like the fact that the game is giving my lizard brain a little visual present.

What actually bothers me far more was later in the game (Chapter 2 spoilers)

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Where I got two Mother Base cutscenes in a row (with a side op in between) where Snake oversees Quiet's torture, letting Ocelot be the one to stop it. (And it's massively stupid anyway as they must know she has the vocal parasite.) The very next scene is Quiet frolicking in the rain with Snake as doves fly overhead, putting on what feels like a quasi-strip-show for the player.

I have to be honest I felt quite (quiet?) conflicted after seeing that.

Considering how the rest of the story is I think it's possible that Kojima just completely lost control of the whole massive aparatus and there's not much to read into it.

Also, in Kojima's defence: Quiet has more of a story and arc

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Than fucking Snake or Skullface

so she's not JUST window dressing.

 

[Tecnniqe]

The second half of this article explains it better than I would ever could

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2015-09-04-metal-gear-solid-5-quiet-kojima-ashamed

Oooo so this is what Konami meant with the whole "erotic violence" thing that was going on

But then again its Kojima.. he got his ways

 

[ZangBa]

The real issue here is she won't stop fucking humming, shit does that get annoying.

I just thought it was funny how the higher my bond got, the more positions she would take in the helicopter and brig. Thanks, Kojima.

 

[Protome]

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Code Talker is dressed but the other Skulls (which Quiet is) are half naked and that includes the males.

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This is factually incorrect, they have some skin showing but they at least made a tiny bit of effort in making it look like they had some sort of suitable clothing. eg: http://www.twinfinite.net/wp-conten...-gear-solid-5-the-phantom-pain_1434525076.jpg
They are showing some leg and stomachs, but they are still wearing a lot more protective clothing than Quiet.

 

[Toki767]

She does speak though. In the opening scene.

 

[sammyCYBORG]

I'm all for the light hearted pervt aspects like the posters and porn mags in past games but Quiet is just depressing and pointless.

No idea how that idea made it through to the final game. The excuse for her having no clothes is laughable.

 

[massoluk]

Really man, lol at Kojima thinking I will feel ashamed upon learning why Quiet is wearing scraps to battle.

 

[jmood88]

Thinker:

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The End was actually naked the whole time but was so old and his photosynthesis so advanced that he was covered in moss.

How great people's lives must be if this is something that deeply affects them.

I will never understand why some people believe that a person coming to a video game forum to talk about something from a video game that bugs them means that it "deeply affects" them.

 

[backflip10019]

No, but as someone pointed out elsewhere to me MGS, for all of its small touches of goofiness, is a series that actually does sort of want to be taken seriously about things like terrorism and warfare and the dangers of unchecked power and stuff. "Also boobies!" jars against that for a lot of people

Eh, it's hard to play the realism card when there's a horse named D-Horse and fultons that yank knocked out soldiers into space. I can understand where you're coming from, though.

 

[Gamesgbkiller]

Sexy and strong is not about wearing a two piece in the middle of battlefield. If someone disagrees, ... will never mind. I got quite's

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Sniper wolf suit

and it's great.

 

[James Scott]

People are going to come after you for the Bayonetta stuff.

Anyway Quiet is mostly a non-character but it's not a big deal.

She's a pretty big part of the story. I just finished her arc.
The reason she's naked is silly and doesn't make a lot of sense (she can wear costumes and other characters like her wear clothes) the reason for her not speaking makes more sense and works relatively well.
She's also a good "buddy" but yeah, lots of weird provocative imagery and a lot of breast and ass shots. The most worrisome scene is pretty messed up, tho (spoilers for her final cut scene

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she's seemingly raped by soviet soldiers, one tries to choke her/drown her while zipping his pants (necrophelia?) and then she stabs a bunch of dicks violently in retaliation.

 

[MrJoobJoob]

I think it's distracting and juvenile. My dad walked in on me playing when Quiet was on the screen, and for the first time ever I felt the compulsion to quickly turn off the screen. It's just needlessly gratuitous and embarrassing.

 

[RK9039]

Compared to 90% of the cast of the other games, she's not that bad. Plus, she has the ability to to create mass confusion in enemy camps which is completely hilarious.

In what way are 90% of the cast from previous games worse? Mgs4 BB units maybe but that's literally the only game that has that weirdness.

 

[KJRS_1993]

It's depressing to think that a fully grown adult man designed Quiet.

Edit: Also funny to hear people describe Quiet as "sexy". I get its subjective, but nah. Quiet isn't sexy, it's tacky as fuck.