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http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/10/n...on-consent-forms-for-circumcision-ritual.html

The New York City Board of Health voted on Wednesday to ease regulations on a controversial circumcision ritual practiced in the ultra-Orthodox Jewish community, fulfilling a priority of Mayor Bill de Blasio.

The vote repealed a Bloomberg-era rule requiring parents to sign a consent form before the ritual, which involves a person performing a circumcision, known as a mohel, to use his mouth to suck blood away from the incision on an infant’s penis. The practice has been linked to herpes infections in infants.

The city’s health department will instead ask hospitals to distribute a brochure to Orthodox families that warns of the risks involved in the ritual, known as metzitzah b’peh. City Hall officials said they were finishing up an agreement with Orthodox leaders so that the mohel would be tested for herpes if an infant was infected.

But those tests, and any penalties for mohels found to be infected, would not be mandated by law.

The law previously required parents to have to sign consent forms that made them acknowledge the greater risk of herpes or other infections before it could go ahead. It was challenged as an infringement on orthodox jewish religious rites. Thoughts? It's unbelievable to me that in 2015, regardless of your views on circumcision, that it's accepted as sanitary and healthy for an adult male rabbi to suck an infants penis after circumcision as a way to cleanse the blood and purify the procedure. There have been many cases where the unwilling infant has been transmitted herpes and other infections from infected cold sores, saliva etc. Tradition should go out the window here.

In my opinion, if you need to circumcise your newborn son in line with religious views, take him to a doctor and then get him properly cleaned afterwards and have the hospital make sure there aren't any complications.

 

[23qwerty]

what the fuck

 

[UberLevi]

That blows.

 

[Shuggananas]

So what's the reason for this if theres any ? Makes no sense

 

[Wolfe]

That blows.

Naw man, it sucks.


Seriously though this is rather ridiculous.

 

[Mordeccai]

what in the everloving name of fuck

put an open wound directly into an environment with an extremely high concentration of bacteria

not to mention fucking fellating an infant...........

how the FUCK has this been passed down through history, fuck.

 

[Funky Papa]

So about those dead babies and the survivors left with brain damage...

 

[GaimeGuy]

What a terrible practice

 

[Mdk7]

WAT

 

[ElTorro]

The mere acknowledgment of risks is now an infringement on religious rights? What? Are they arguing for their freedom to stay ignorant?

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

Can't they create a device that does that? Like a damn straw without putting your mouth o- oh god I can't even. This is common? It isn't common, right?

 

[Madness]

So what's the reason for this if theres any ? Makes no sense

The consent forms had infuriated leaders in the city’s politically influential ultra-Orthodox Jewish community, which called the requirement an infringement on religious freedom. As a candidate, Mr. de Blasio had pledged to remove them.

I'm guessing as a way to reward the politically influential ultra-orthodox community? He pledged he would do it while still campaigning. These people feel it infringes on their rights.

 

[freeofgreed]

what in the everloving name of fuck

put an open wound directly into an environment with an extremely high concentration of bacteria

not to mention fucking fellating an infant...........

how the FUCK has this been passed down through history, fuck.

Yeah seriously, especially the bolded.

 

[GaimeGuy]

Can't they create a device that does that? Like a damn straw without putting your mouth o- oh god I can't even. This is common? Is isn't common, right?

I'm Jewish, but the only times I've heard of this disgusting suction circumcision are in these threads/articles on GAF. It seems to be an incredibly niche thing.

 

[BreezyLimbo]

...wait. Wait what? WAIT WHAT?

Ok, ok, ok, I guess that's your religion. And I respect that. Or whatever. BUT WHAT THE FUCK AT FELLATING NEWBORN BABIES.

 

[Link]

I mean, casting aside your views on circumcision and this practice specifically, getting the parents to sign a consent form seems fairly superfluous. They know what the procedure entails.

 

[Matt_]

it should be fucking banned outright
what a disgusting practice

 

[Fusebox]

That's fucked up, they should be banning that shit not making it easier.

 

[maquiladora]

...wait. Wait what? WAIT WHAT?

Ok, ok, ok, I guess that's your religion. And I respect that. Or whatever. BUT WHAT THE FUCK AT FELLATING NEWBORN BABIES.

It's just another example of why religions don't actually deserve respect. Ancient rituals and beliefs in magical powers...its not something that belongs in the reality of the modern, scientific era.
"But it was written down in old books that lots of people still believe as reality" is a terrible excuse for anything.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

I mean, casting aside your views on circumcision and this practice specifically, getting the parents to sign a consent form seems fairly superfluous. They know what the procedure entails.

I doubt they know of the risks of their son contracting herpes and dying or being left brain damaged.

Disgusting practice and it's shocking to me that there isn't more public outrage over something like this.

 

[B-Dubs]

I'm Jewish, but the only times I've heard of this disgusting suction circumcision are in these threads/articles on GAF. It seems to be an incredibly niche thing.

I'm pretty sure it's just in like 1 neighborhood in Brooklyn that does it.

 

[Premium Quality]

I remember reading here on gaf how some babies contacted STDs though this practice. This shit should be illegal.

 

[cdyhybrid]

Religious freedom should stop when it infringes on public health.

 

[Xe4]

Christ almighty. The fact that shit like this is allowed in any country, much less America is beyond me. We shouldn't be getting rid of consent forms, we should be getting rid of the damn practace.

 

[YoungFa]

Wait... They suck baby dicks???

 

[The Spoony Hou]

As stupid as it is, isn't that the traditional way of doing it? Well, there's no reason to circumcise besides religious beliefs, so those people who chose to do it the traditional way must accept the risks.

Poor babies, though.

 

[sarcastor]

I know its not a sexual act but I'm sure there's some sort of medical breakthrough in the past three thousand years that will not make you put your lips on an infant's penis.

Just saying.

 

[Shuggananas]

Wait... They suck baby dicks???

it's ok because it's written in the bible or something

 

[kasane]

wait what the fuck is this

i dont even

 

[ElTorro]

I love how "it was invented by scientifically ignorant people thousands of years ago to please a volcano god, and we never changed it" is the one accepted excuse for touching a baby's genitals with unhygienic lips.

 

[KingBroly]

This just sounds disgusting.

 

[Vic]

... excuse me? Not sure if I read this right.

Yeah, I did. Fucked up.

 

[Madness]

I'm Jewish, but the only times I've heard of this disgusting suction circumcision are in these threads/articles on GAF. It seems to be an incredibly niche thing.

Another article says an estimated 3000+ participate in this ritual every year. Of course it pales in comparison to the overall circumcision and other Jewish/Muslim numbers, but that's no small number of babies put at increased risk for a pretty disgusting practice.

I mean saying it's niche, when the article itself is in the new York times, it's on the yahoo front page, and it's something the mayor even campaigned for ending means it's not niche.

 

[B-Dubs]

Another article says an estimated 3000+ participate in this ritual every year. Of course it pales in comparison to the overall circumcision and other Jewish/Muslim numbers, but that's no small number of babies put at increased risk for a pretty disgusting practice.

I mean saying it's niche, when the article itself is in the new York times, it's on the yahoo front page, and it's something the mayor even campaigned for ending means it's not niche.

It's niche in that it's really only happening in one neighborhood in the city, this isn't something that tends to happen outside of one ultra-mega-orthodox neighborhood in Brooklyn.

I say that, but we should be trying to stamp this out altogether.

 

[Funky Papa]

Another article says an estimated 3000+ participate in this ritual every year. Of course it pales in comparison to the overall circumcision and other Jewish/Muslim numbers, but that's no small number of babies put at increased risk for a pretty disgusting practice.

I mean saying it's niche, when the article itself is in the new York times, it's on the yahoo front page, and it's something the mayor even campaigned for ending means it's not niche.

That probably has to do with the ultraorthodox douchebags reproducing at rabbit levels.

 

[The Spoony Hou]

I know its not a sexual act but I'm sure there's some sort of medical breakthrough in the past three thousand years that will not make you put your lips on an infant's penis.

Just saying.

The medical breakthrough is proper hygiene that makes the whole circumcision practice meaningless outside of religious beliefs. So yeah, people can avoid it altogether if they chose so.

 

[KurtSloane]

Anyone caught doing this should be placed on the sex offender register.

Disgusting, parents allowing to be done should be prosecuted.

 

[afreaknamedpete]

To say nothing about sucking dicks, I'm still shocked we allow circumcisions to happen out of hospital by medically untrained rabbis.

 

[Jack Remington]

I didn't even realize this was a thing. Thought this referred to some method of removing the foreskin via suction.

 

[Banderdash]

Sure, but when Catholics do it our priests end up going before senate inquiries,

 

[andrerobot]

Why can orthodox jewish rabbis get away with this, but not catholic priests?

edit: beaten

 

[afreaknamedpete]

Sure, but when Catholics do it our priests end up going before senate inquiries,

If the Catholics keep doing it for a couple thousand years they can probably say it's part of religious orthodoxy.

 

[neorej]

Why can orthodox jewish rabbis get away with this, but not catholic priests?

edit: beaten

Because rabbis are required to do it by religious law. Nowhere in the bible does it say "young boys are to be molested and raped by their priests for the greater glory of our lord and savior, Jesus Christ, amen." Not even in the old testament, and that shit was brutal.

 

[Calvero]

ew.
this is disgusting.

 

[Any Questions]

Can't help but imagine the silver haired John Burnell from world's wildest police chases looking at the camera and saying... "This is what happens when religion goes bad"

 

[OrlanisWorks]

Because rabbis are required to do it by religious law. Nowhere in the bible does it say "young boys are to be molested and raped by their priests for the greater glory of our lord and savior, Jesus Christ, amen." Not even in the old testament, and that shit was brutal.

The lord's law said when you circumcise a newborn, you gotta suck it's penis.

Yeah...

 

[Volimar]

 

[SURGEdude]

I like big man de Blasio but seriously stop kissing right wing ass.

 

[Shuggananas]

"bleeding but the rabbi still suckin"

Spoiler

probably in poor taste I guess, sorry in that case

 

[lednerg]

Grotesque.