Dr. Zoidberg
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If I had to guess, only a SUBSET of the PS1/2 Classics you own on PS3 will transition to PS4. It will be a similar situation to the PSTV or Vita in that, due to licensing issues, some PS1 games will stay PS3-only.
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If I had to guess, only a SUBSET of the PS1/2 Classics you own on PS3 will transition to PS4. It will be a similar situation to the PSTV or Vita in that, due to licensing issues, some PS1 games will stay PS3-only.
outunderthestars
Banned
I don't see why that would be such a bad thing. I'd gladly pay for the functionality as well.
Shikamaru Ninja
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If there are enhanced graphics and "trophy support" in anyway, that would mean each game gets actual new bits of code alongside the emulator - so they would recoup that small development cost by selling you the PS2 Classic (on PS4) as opposed to a free service where you can play your old disc games with such enhancements.
Finale Fireworker
Member
This is a great point.
Mass_Pincup
Banned
Region free PS2 backward compatibility would be so good. I could finally tackle Xenosaga and the Suikoden games that didn't made it in Europe.
Jawmuncher
Member
Disc Emulation would be amazing, especially considering the emulator on PS3 could play discs but just had it locked out.
I may be mistaken, but wasn't that partially for compatibility reasons? Meaning the emulator contained game-specific fixes for a lot of releases so they didn't want to crack it wide open because it might not work with all games. I'm also not sure if there's any distinction between the software-based BC that was featured on some PS3 models (and that people restored via CFW) and the emulator that's packed with downloadable PS2 classics.
outunderthestars
Banned
Last week we had Ape Escape 2 and Lunar popping up.
Looks more and more probable.
Looks more and more probable.
I hope with the PS4's install base, Sony would make an effort to secure the Crash/Spyro games for PS1 (along with others like R-Type Delta) and, in effect, make them available for the Vita and PSTV. Extremely wishful thinking.. You're probably right.
Veritigo_X
Member
Enhanced graphics doesn't need any extra coding outside of the actual emulator, as shown by the PCSX2 emulator. You have a point with trophies though. That's a shame because I couldn't give a shit about trophies, I just want to play my PS2 games that will probably never get a digital release.
minameissteve
Banned
I believe the current PS2 classics don't have any sort of region locking so long as you have an account for the right region. Considering Sony hasn't attempted any kind of region locking since the PS2 days, it's likely that if they return they won't feature region locking.
I have all the Crash and Spyro games including CTR on my Vita right now.
Yup. I have my Phantasy Star collection bought from the JPN PSN on my NA PS3 right now.
You've done a lot of digging, but this is, as far as I've seen, purely forum backpedaling from when people were adamant that the PS3 couldn't emulate PS2 games in software. The PS2 Classics emulator will run unchanged PS2 games. Many games have extra headers for telling the emulator which speed hacks to run which accounts for some of the ISO file size changes. I don't know why Rayman is so different, but I haven't looked into it specifically. fake edit: The PS2 Classics downloads also include digital manuals.
I did a lot of digging around CFW forums back when that first happened on the PS3 because I was really curious about how PS2 games were being handled. I don't recall seeing any evidence the games were being changed; all I did see was evidence of the opposite.
There's actually two different pure software emulators on the PS3, one's meant for discs and was never actually enabled, it doesn't work well at all. There's a different one just for PS2 Classics, and even though it can run unchanged PS2 games, there's a lot it still can't run. Stuff like God of War is just asking for too much from it, and even official Classics have some pretty heavy bugs. The emulator meant for PS2 Classics is called ps2_netemu.self, it's never included with the ISOs afaik. Part of the Classics bloat is from the manuals.
more info here if you get bored (ignore stuff about the Cobra dongle): http://www.ps3devwiki.com/ps3/Emulation#PS2_Classics_Emulator_.28ps2_netemu.self.29
Speaking of PS2 classics, I wonder why they didn't release PSP classics as well. The PS2 classics emulador can actually play PSP games. It has some issues of course, but there's many games that are perfectly playable. I played Crisis Core on PS3 and aside from framerate drops in specific situations it worked well.
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
This is nice. Might start replacing some PS2 discs if it turns out.
VindictiveGnome
Member
Bingo. This is all I want.
Raven Prime
Member
This will only be a success if Sony manages to start releasing PS2 classics at a high rate and sell them for like $10. I'd love to play Shadow Hearts but it's so expensive to find a disc copy.
Spieler Eins
Member
man fuck trophies
Sangetsu-II
Member
I try not to give people false hope, but with all the info I have found and some partially deleted I think we might actually get it, no promises though. I'm not a avatar betting kind of man.
HorseFD
Member
I'm guessing because PSP games are a selling point for the Vita.
Primethius
Banned
What's a Vita?
That was a one time fluke though (unless you live in Europe?)
Pretty cool if it's happening, I wonder if Psone titles will be emulated as well.
I'd really like to have some kind of forced HD rendering option for Psone games, I mean come on, you can run Psone games in HD even on mobiles at this point, playing 320*240 games on PS4 just won't do it, although it's much better than no support at all.
But I doubt it's happening, think about Square Enix and their FFVII port, LOL.
I'd really like to have some kind of forced HD rendering option for Psone games, I mean come on, you can run Psone games in HD even on mobiles at this point, playing 320*240 games on PS4 just won't do it, although it's much better than no support at all.
But I doubt it's happening, think about Square Enix and their FFVII port, LOL.
Honestly, the US selection is pretty poor as well. Japan gets all the good shit.
The Abominable Snowman
Member
PS1 and 2 (And PSP?) classics would make me insanely happy. Although these platforms are playable on better hardware elsewhere, something about the PS4 converging other PS formats would be awesome. It already gets a lions share of Vita games.
If they somehow got PS3 emulation running as well? Tears of happiness. Seriously.
If they somehow got PS3 emulation running as well? Tears of happiness. Seriously.
double jump
you haven't lived until a random little kid ask you "how do you make love".
gonna wait for an official announcement before I get hype. If this turns out to be true then I don't know what I'm going to do when it comes to hard drive space cause I refuse to lose pt.
IdreamofHIME
Member
OmegaDL50
Member
Reposting something I've said before.
Using PSNow for PS2 or PSX games is not viable at all.
SD video can be around a GB/half a GB an hour. streaming more than a few hours will easily get into "more data than the game disk" territory.
That said, for any PS1 game, by the time you've played the game for an hour or two over streaming video, you've already used up enough bandwidth to download all the game data and store it locally. For most PS2 games, it would take longer, but usually not as long as it would take to finish the game.
So it may actually cost MORE money for Sony if they stream old PS1 / PS2 stuff on PS Now rather then utilize software based emulation.
I don't think Sony wants to foot the bill for their hosting costs to exceed that of bandwidth it would take just to download locally. They would make them lose money if they did that.
With the PS3 streaming there are varied prices per game (I'm sure they have a networking adviser giving the details to a bean counter to estimate usage costs to make it a profitable juncture) At least this is what makes the most sense.
Streaming old PS2 and PSOne titles however, doesn't seem realistic fit into this scope. (At least not in a way that doesn't cost Sony more money to stream rather then sell direct downloads)
activatethesmile
Member
The ability to play PS2 games in PS4 will be amazing. Hopefully they won't ask us to repurchase the games though.
Mass_Pincup
Banned
I'm talking about the retail versions.
So only the third one then. Suikoden I, II, IV and V were available at retail in Europe.
Man, I am so down for this.
Ahahaha, come on. They asked you to re-buy PS2 games on PS3 when their software emulation worked fine. Of course they'll do it again.
Maybe not if you bought it for PS3, hopefully they have cross buy, bit no chance of playing a PS2 disc in it.
RoninChaos
Member
Me too.
What are people basing "No chance on disc support" on?
The increase in console sales from people wanting PS2 disc support will outweigh any additional sales of PS2 classics. It would be a massive PR win.
Any given PS2 classic sold via PSN nets Sony what, a few dollars? More if it is a Sony published game. An uptick in PS4 sales benefits them far more than a slight increase in sales of back catalogue games on PSN.
Launch model PS3s still to this day command a premium price in the secondary market, despite much smaller, quieter and more reliable units being readily available.
The majority of people will be more likely to buy digital versions of games than track down disc copies.
Offering (something approaching) full backwards compatibility, whilst having a decent selection of games also available digitally makes a lot of business sense.
I'm not saying disc support is guaranteed, and there are technical challenges involved, but I'm not sure people have any good reason to argue that there is no business case for disc support.
There are many people still undecided as to whether they want a PS4 or one of the alternatives. PS2 disc support would absolutely be a factor in convincing a significant number of these undecided customers.
The increase in console sales from people wanting PS2 disc support will outweigh any additional sales of PS2 classics. It would be a massive PR win.
Any given PS2 classic sold via PSN nets Sony what, a few dollars? More if it is a Sony published game. An uptick in PS4 sales benefits them far more than a slight increase in sales of back catalogue games on PSN.
Launch model PS3s still to this day command a premium price in the secondary market, despite much smaller, quieter and more reliable units being readily available.
The majority of people will be more likely to buy digital versions of games than track down disc copies.
Offering (something approaching) full backwards compatibility, whilst having a decent selection of games also available digitally makes a lot of business sense.
I'm not saying disc support is guaranteed, and there are technical challenges involved, but I'm not sure people have any good reason to argue that there is no business case for disc support.
There are many people still undecided as to whether they want a PS4 or one of the alternatives. PS2 disc support would absolutely be a factor in convincing a significant number of these undecided customers.
Oh yeah, there's a business case for it and Sony are better with the PR than they were last gen. I just think that if they wanted money on the PS3, they're going to want money here.
You mean the PS3 where some models had (approaching) full PS2 disc compatibility and all models had (approaching) full PS1 disc compatibility?
I don't see this being a big announcement at some conference. I mean what are they gonna say?
"We are pleased to announce that Classics support, which already featured on PSP, PS3 and PS Vita and should really have been available on PS4 at launch, is finally coming, only 2 years late."
It'll quietly appear on Playstation Blog one day soon. Possibly even ship with the final release of firmware 3.0. Here's hoping they get cloud save/cross save working with Classics to go along with this. And here's also hoping that PS4 joining the party serves as a catalyst for many more games to appear in the Classics catalogue.
"We are pleased to announce that Classics support, which already featured on PSP, PS3 and PS Vita and should really have been available on PS4 at launch, is finally coming, only 2 years late."
It'll quietly appear on Playstation Blog one day soon. Possibly even ship with the final release of firmware 3.0. Here's hoping they get cloud save/cross save working with Classics to go along with this. And here's also hoping that PS4 joining the party serves as a catalyst for many more games to appear in the Classics catalogue.
Muchi Muchi Pink
Member
People asked for this, of course they gonna announce it on a bigger event. I'd say PSX with the new FW released after or right before it.
But then the PS2 software emulator got to the point where it was very very compatible and if you have custom firmware, you can emulate almost any PS2 game so they could have released it for discs to work with an XBox style compatibility list.... But decided to use it for PS2 Classics only.
encephalon
Member
Oh my god, what. I'm so happy I could cry.
SlickShoes
Member
We can dream....
Zippedpinhead
Member
I wonder if you will be able to remote play PS2 games on the vita?
PS3 could remote play PS1 games (disc and digital). PS2 remote play would be a step in the right direction (for PS2 on vita stuff).
PS3 could remote play PS1 games (disc and digital). PS2 remote play would be a step in the right direction (for PS2 on vita stuff).
PensivePen
Member
Disc support would be a dream come true, but I doubt it will happen.