Noisepurge
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Yup, it'll be a point in Paris Games Week or PSX for sure. It won't be a "last bombshell" kind of one, but surely on a firmware/PSN -part "oh yeah, we also brought Classics back"
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PS2 Game spotted in Live From PlayStation playing on PS4. Might be fake, not sure.
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Yup, it'll be a point in Paris Games Week or PSX for sure. It won't be a "last bombshell" kind of one, but surely on a firmware/PSN -part "oh yeah, we also brought Classics back"
The idea of slightly touched up PS2 games would be nice, if not for the fact that I don't believe for a second this'll be tied to the PS2 classics already purchased on PS3 and we'll have to pay again for the PS4 versions.
Believe me, I'd be overjoyed if I could play my downloaded God Hand, GTAs and such, but not if I'd have to pay for them again to do so... Which is almost guaranteed to happen imo.
Also this.
Believe me, I'd be overjoyed if I could play my downloaded God Hand, GTAs and such, but not if I'd have to pay for them again to do so... Which is almost guaranteed to happen imo.
Also this.
Same, as long as it's universal and not just "here are the 5 classics we've made compatible with ps4 THIS month!"
YianGaruga
Banned
It's Sony, so here is how it will work.
- Only a few games are supported and have to be manually updated
- The list is randomly different between regions
- Some games randomly have to be downloaded to the PS3 and transferred via floppy disks without the store telling you
- The PS4 whitelisting switches off at random times without anyone at Sony noticing
It'll be great
- Only a few games are supported and have to be manually updated
- The list is randomly different between regions
- Some games randomly have to be downloaded to the PS3 and transferred via floppy disks without the store telling you
- The PS4 whitelisting switches off at random times without anyone at Sony noticing
It'll be great
fastest finger
Member
They can't even manage a decent and consistent level of compatibility between PS Vita and PSTV, which basically run on the same hardware, so I've got fuck all confidence in this going well.
Farily high.
Yes this is what I have come to expect from them. Your post is pretty much on point. Their concepts are great, the execution is fucking horrendous.
encephalon
Member
After how classics work on PSP, PS3, and Vita?
The PS4's download system is a mess, however.
YianGaruga
Banned
My post literally describes how classics/games work between PS3 and Vita (and Vita TV). That's the point.
encephalon
Member
I had completely forgotten about the issue, because my Vita is Japanese. That still hasn't been fixed?
Mr. Nice_Guy
Member
Except the point I think people keep forgetting is, Sony doesn't care about the Vita and cares even less about the PS TV. I'm not saying something won't be screwed up in some way, but I have to imagine they'll handle it better than they did for the Vita and TV.
encephalon
Member
The Vita thing is bizarre, because, if I'm not mistaken, it was a SCEA only issue? Unless it was experienced in Europe as well?
YianGaruga
Banned
Sure. Possibly. Maybe.
But nothing Sony has done with PSN on PS4 so far gives me confidence that they learned anything.
SCEE is probably even worse.
"New" PSP games launch without Vita compatibility by default.
The PS3-> Vita transfer thing seems to be more of a SCEA issue though afaik.
World wide. Edit: I stand corrected. I know Europe had it, I remember reports of parts of asia getting it as well.
That was a great weekend until they fixed it.
I still have a load of PS1 games on my Vita that if I delete I won't ever get on there again.
encephalon
Member
It's not an issue with the Japanese store.
You won't get them again because you no longer have the PS3 to transfer them from, or you won't get them again because of some other whitelisting issue?
Muchi Muchi Pink
Member
I didn't know PS4 is arm-based now.
Edit: never mind you mean Vita and Vita TV, right?
the vita ps1 game support is likely due to licensing shenanigans. I'd bet there isn't much they can do about it.
YianGaruga
Banned
Because SCEJ actually cares about the store and the classics section. The JP PSN store is miles ahead of the other regions in pretty much every way.
And why would that be different for classics on the PS4?
Oh I still have a PS3, Its more of a whitelisting issue.
Where some games won't transfer to the Vita despite them working.
Command and conquer is one example.
It wouldn't be. I'm saying that while yes those things you say are true, there is a reason for it.
And why did you wrote "randomly"?
It's just like hodgy100 said. Each region has to deal with licensing issues. It's not "random".
But I agree that the Japanese store is much better with the Classics. The PSOne catalog on the JP store is insane!
encephalon
Member
I'm hoping that SCEJ's continuation to release PS2 classics corroborates this story and they've been working to get them PS4 compatible as well. Perhaps the work that SCEJ does in getting the games running on PS4 can lay the groundwork for other regions as well.
Jesus, what a mess.
YianGaruga
Banned
Vita compatibility for PSP titles is switched off at random times for no reason until someone complains to Sony and it comes back weeks later. That's just one example.
Suikoden I and II launched with different PS3/PSP/Vita compatibility configurations between US and EU even though the games were newly submitted and supposed to work on everything.
I was exaggerating for comedic effect, but it's not only licensing, it's also terrible technical implementation and quality control on the PSN side. And a general lack of giving a fuck about the store.
Yep pretty much this (at least the first two points).
Muchi Muchi Pink
Member
Ultimate Ghosts N Goblins is still not available in Europe. Capcom said it was a eu fw issue... 3 years ago. On the bright side with PS4, I just change to a different store and buy it there. Vita is just a pain in the ass to do so.
There was even a capcom-unity thread about this, where Svensson said they look into it. It was closed silently with no answer given.
There was even a capcom-unity thread about this, where Svensson said they look into it. It was closed silently with no answer given.
Heres the thing, when the "event" happened it proved that it wasn't a technical issue, but they purposely labelled some PS1 games as non-working on the Vita. Despite them working 100% with no issues.
This means they are purposely holding back games for little reason.
You could speculate that the cause is some sort of licensing agreement that isn't valid for the Vita but is valid for the PSP and PS3, but Sony haven't said one way or another.
The whole thing was a massive mess which they then made no comment about.
Finale Fireworker
Member
It's them not saying anything about it that bothers me.
Because a lot of games transfer, including really big ones. MGS1, Soul Reaver, Tomb Raider Anniversary, and more.
But a lot of games don't transfer, including really big ones. Crash, Spyro, Logan's Shadow, and more.
It's very common for people to buy a Vita with the intention of playing one or more of these games. And if they're a layperson, they have no idea what works and how.
The Vita Reddit has, like, a post a month asking how to get Crash and Spyro over.
It's really a pain.
excaliburps
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We got a tip and screens from someone who shows that War of the Monsters (PS2) is being played on PS4.
Also, yeah, someone else is playing Siren as well.
http://www.playstationlifestyle.net...s4-thanks-firmware-update-3-00-beta/#/slide/1
I've reached out to Sony regarding yesterday's sreengrab and haven't heard back. Doubt I will, but it's worth a shot. I gather, unless there's something annoying about it, just confirm the thing and get it over with, no?
But yeah, maybe saving it for PGW or PSX.
Also, yeah, someone else is playing Siren as well.
http://www.playstationlifestyle.net...s4-thanks-firmware-update-3-00-beta/#/slide/1
I've reached out to Sony regarding yesterday's sreengrab and haven't heard back. Doubt I will, but it's worth a shot. I gather, unless there's something annoying about it, just confirm the thing and get it over with, no?
But yeah, maybe saving it for PGW or PSX.
Admiral Woofington
Member
With ps1 and ps2 titles i could play mgs titles.
Gimme
Gimme
I just want them to hurry up and confirm if this is happening. I still have my PS2 hooked up...
Testing the FW for that long? they said youtube support for fall if I remember correctly, so I'd say it will be announced at Paris with the release coming before PSX
nah....Xenosaga.....omg I want to play that trilogy so bad with good emulation on my PS4. I own all 3 and don't feel like dragging my giant ass tower to the TV
Yes, it's a waste of bandwidth to stream PS1/2 games from PS NOW.
An hour's worth of streaming would exceed the filesize of a majority of the games.
Dubbedinenglish
Banned
Ace Combat 4, 5, Zero pls. I will buy the shit out if it.
Sparkedglory
Member
I want a remaster of those. Give them to me! Though I'd play the hell out of them as ps2 classics too.
maniac-kun
Member
Please PS1 & 2 games. Need my We <3 Katamari fix!
Giant ass HDMI cable not long enough? I have a 100 foot one that works great for long runs.
I'd love an hd-enhanced mode that might be a little janky and a classic mode which strives to look as close to the source as possible. Realistically I don't see any games getting a 1080 mode just for QC reasons.
Hold out hope!
Disc-based would certainly circumvent a huge problem of re-licensing old games for re-release. A lot of my favorite PS1 titles are by defunct companies or games whose rights changed hands a half-dozen times already.
War of the Monsters!? Fuck Yes!
Cthulhu_Steev
Member
This and Gradius V is all I need. Oh, and SC5: Part 2. And Rez.
Is that possible? 3.0 isn't even out in the wild yet. I don't think major FW has ever really been closer than 6 months apart.
EDIT: Just read up a couple of posts. There's talk this will somehow be added INTO 3.0?!?!
It would make sense for it to be a separate app, with whatever underpinnings it needs built into the firmware. A large number of "stability" updates on the PS3, PSP, and Vita were for updating the emulators to fix bugs and allow more games to be added on the stores. With the PS4's firmware update schedule I think they'd rather update a single app not everyone is using. The downside is you'll need internet to get the app, but I think that's a trade-off most people are willing to make now.
PadWarrior
Member
So I have a chance to play the sf alpha and third strike series on my ps4???