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Edge Special List: The 100 Greatest Video Games
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ViewtifulJC
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I think it would be even more interesting if the people complaining would read the actual write-ups. Cause you know, context.
give me $20 dollars so I can order it and read it, and I'll get back to you
Lion Heart
Banned
We had an almost identical thread on Gaf following the same criteria and it was a similar list to edges. I like not using nostalgia or "importance" in these lists because they are not relevant to people who can actually use these lists to explore the medium.
LttP's copy-paste boxy dungeons (which our own Viewtiful JC wrote pretty good criticism about a few years ago) have aged a lot worse than the pretty briskly paced Chrono Trigger.
i would be interested in doing this too haha
your list is fab.
your number one is in my top 3.
Surprisingly good list! I agree with most of the games on the list, and the only thing I would change are the placements. On my list, I would put The Last of Us above Dark Souls and GTA V. All three are excellent games of course, but TLoU tells a much better story and has much better music than the other two.
orthodoxy1095
Banned
Many of us critiquing the list have posted some detailed thoughts at least.
I wouldn't mind making a list, but I don't want to spam up the thread unless people really want to take he thread that direction.
Shadow_FFVI
Member
Final Fantasy IV, VI, VII, VIII, IX, Tactics are all better than most of those games. They're sequels only in name and some of the lore.
Absolutely bizarre opinion.
formasymphonic
Member
I always find these kinds of lists ridiculous given how utterly different in genre, scope, and intent its occupants can be.
How can you apply a grade and rank Spec Ops, Fez, Mass Effect 2, Call of Duty, Tetris, Persona, GTA etc when they are all so completely different from one another?
How can you apply a grade and rank Spec Ops, Fez, Mass Effect 2, Call of Duty, Tetris, Persona, GTA etc when they are all so completely different from one another?
Yes, Yes, I know "Opinions; how do they work?" but you all know what I mean.
MaverickHunterAsh
Member
I know, right? Second-best might be too low. It may very well be the best.
It's definitely the best 3D Zelda, at least.
I can see the argument in that. A lot of the dungeons in LttP aren't really that complicated. Only a few stand out and even then I think LA did it better.
thelatestmodel
Junior, please.
The more I re-read the list and this thread, the more it bugs me. These people are supposed be professionals. It really is a shit list. Like, nonsensical levels of shit.
I'd put it down to Edge being Edge, but then so many people seem to respect them. Just makes you wonder why, I suppose.
I'd put it down to Edge being Edge, but then so many people seem to respect them. Just makes you wonder why, I suppose.
You just gave me a glimpse into a terrible alternate reality. Like when Biff got the almanac.
Magic Mushroom
Member
Sure, it's comparing apples and oranges. Which is why I don't really value the placements in that list. It's the write-ups that make it. A list is utterly meaningless without.
Because their writing is generally great.
Yeah, the overall dungeon themes and gimmicks are so much better in LA .
War Peaceman
You're a big guy.
Some thoughts. Random thoughts, mostly. Individual positions aren't that important, though the general placing (high/mid/low) is.
GTA V is too high. I think it is a staggering product - especially with FP mode - and a natural and logical conclusion of the series' style, but it just isn't that well designed. The best parts of it, the most impressive parts, are non-interactive elements. I really like the game, but it isn't.
Dark Souls #1. OK, not my choice but there is a solid shout for it. But I don't think Bloodborne should also sit there, same with DeS in the top 20. I feel like it is one or the other. I prefer BB but DS is probably better in terms of options and the wider gameplay sandbox.
MGSV is too soon to talk about. Same with Witcher 3. Both will likely rank high, but give it some time. Metal Gear Solid 2 should be on the list. It is a classic game that has aged superbly.
RE4 - nice. Deserved. Also good to see Vanquish in the mix. Great game.
LBP3 shouldn't be in the list. It is awful.
Spelunky should be higher, on a mechanical basis it is up there with tetris for its perfection.
Dota 2 should probably also be higher, but not a big deal. It is a game of vast complexity and skill.
Braid and Warioware were some nice selections to be in there
Arkham Knight? WHAT? Farcry 4? What? Farcry is a really enjoyable game but it will be redundant in a year or so. AK isn't even the second best in its series.
Shocked at the absence of BG2/PST.
GTA V is too high. I think it is a staggering product - especially with FP mode - and a natural and logical conclusion of the series' style, but it just isn't that well designed. The best parts of it, the most impressive parts, are non-interactive elements. I really like the game, but it isn't.
Dark Souls #1. OK, not my choice but there is a solid shout for it. But I don't think Bloodborne should also sit there, same with DeS in the top 20. I feel like it is one or the other. I prefer BB but DS is probably better in terms of options and the wider gameplay sandbox.
MGSV is too soon to talk about. Same with Witcher 3. Both will likely rank high, but give it some time. Metal Gear Solid 2 should be on the list. It is a classic game that has aged superbly.
RE4 - nice. Deserved. Also good to see Vanquish in the mix. Great game.
LBP3 shouldn't be in the list. It is awful.
Spelunky should be higher, on a mechanical basis it is up there with tetris for its perfection.
Dota 2 should probably also be higher, but not a big deal. It is a game of vast complexity and skill.
Braid and Warioware were some nice selections to be in there
Arkham Knight? WHAT? Farcry 4? What? Farcry is a really enjoyable game but it will be redundant in a year or so. AK isn't even the second best in its series.
Shocked at the absence of BG2/PST.
orthodoxy1095
Banned
That actually was one of the most egregious parts of the list to me.
Do we really need another 1. Ocarina 2. Super Metroid 3. Link to the Past list though? I would much rather read a list with some unexpected entries, because I actually have to think about that and reevaluate those games.
Shifty1897
Member
Pretty good list, but putting Destiny and Splatoon on the list at all, let alone above Symphony of the Night is a mortal sin.
WadiumArcadium
Member
Journey's 42. Too low but it's there.
FF12 is on the list.
samurai1226
Member
Dark Souls, a most people can't even finish without guides where to go and don't have any story at all if you don't watch youtube videos that explain that weird stuff - Yeah, it must be best game of all time.
I love Dark Souls for the gameplay, but it's no where near the best games of all time
The only Halo on the list is Halo 3 on 35... How about the game that invented Matchmaking and made Online Console Multiplayer big: Halo 2?
This whole list is a bad joke. Destiny on 32, what the hell...
I love Dark Souls for the gameplay, but it's no where near the best games of all time
The only Halo on the list is Halo 3 on 35... How about the game that invented Matchmaking and made Online Console Multiplayer big: Halo 2?
This whole list is a bad joke. Destiny on 32, what the hell...
It feels like this list was compiled by several people all working to slightly different criteria.
Their numbered sequels rule was stupid as it favours certain franchises like the Souls Games while limiting the likes of MGS and FF. It meant they could fit in five Mario games but had to drop their previous number 10 Yoshi's Island because it's technically "Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island". There had to have been a better way of handling that problem.
In theory I do like that certain old influential games lose their normally guaranteed place if they're been surpassed by modern successors but in some of these cases I'm not sure "progress" has been such a good thing. At least it shows that something like Earthbound is not only timeless but due to it's unique style it can't really be directly surpassed.
Their numbered sequels rule was stupid as it favours certain franchises like the Souls Games while limiting the likes of MGS and FF. It meant they could fit in five Mario games but had to drop their previous number 10 Yoshi's Island because it's technically "Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island". There had to have been a better way of handling that problem.
In theory I do like that certain old influential games lose their normally guaranteed place if they're been surpassed by modern successors but in some of these cases I'm not sure "progress" has been such a good thing. At least it shows that something like Earthbound is not only timeless but due to it's unique style it can't really be directly surpassed.
I like the idea that the game needs to stand up today, and that they focused less on historical importance. But it's weird that they state there are no "straight up sequels" as if to get away with including multiple entries from the same series which, in essence, are still pretty much sequels. Multiple Mario, Zelda, and Souls titles.
Anyway, as with all lists, it's shit.
My eyes went straight to MGSV at such a high spot, and rolled back so far that I'm blind now. Thanks, Edge. You dicks.
Anyway, as with all lists, it's shit.
My eyes went straight to MGSV at such a high spot, and rolled back so far that I'm blind now. Thanks, Edge. You dicks.
Khalifa Jayy
Banned
No Chrono Trigger? Are you serious, Edge?
And that top 5 is really modern-heavy. Interesting.
EDIT: Wow, no Gran Turismo? What?
EDIT2: Driveclub being there makes me happy, sorry haters.
And that top 5 is really modern-heavy. Interesting.
EDIT: Wow, no Gran Turismo? What?
EDIT2: Driveclub being there makes me happy, sorry haters.
Lists without paragraphs explaining why are completely useless.
1. Star Ocean 2
2. Secret of Mana
3. League of Legends
If I just threw this up there as my list, with no context about what those games mean to me, it'd be ridiculed to no end. If I went on to explain how Star Ocean 2 was a world I got lost in during a difficult time in my life, or how Secret of Mana was my first RPG, or how League of Legends is a game that I've made dozens of wonderful friends, people would be more understanding.
Lists are bait. And stupid.
1. Star Ocean 2
2. Secret of Mana
3. League of Legends
If I just threw this up there as my list, with no context about what those games mean to me, it'd be ridiculed to no end. If I went on to explain how Star Ocean 2 was a world I got lost in during a difficult time in my life, or how Secret of Mana was my first RPG, or how League of Legends is a game that I've made dozens of wonderful friends, people would be more understanding.
Lists are bait. And stupid.
Most people are dumb then, and the second part isn't true at all. Unless you think those youtube videos just made shit up (some of them do some times, not gonna lie).
Do you have any numbers on that 'people can't finish Souls without guides?' Must people can (and do, by the reception of the community in general) finish the game without guides, though.
And yeah, that second part is completely untrue.
EDIT: And Halo 3 is the better game.
....have you played Driveclub lately?
blast processed
Member
brandonh83
Banned
Sola Scriptura
Member
Is this included in a subscription to EDGE?
Are you kidding me. Your opinion is instantly invalidated.
Games don't have to hold your hand to be incredible. No-one needs a guide to finish Dark Souls.
Professor Oak
Neo Member
I guess I'm the only person here who finds it goofy that there is no Silent Hill game on this list. I though the series was well liked but I guess not.
Either way these top 100 lists are always bad and this one seems like the worst.
Either way these top 100 lists are always bad and this one seems like the worst.