RPGCrazied
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That is like having a Zelda game with no Link. For me, I don't want a game like that.
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Metroid Prime Federation Force can be "saved"
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That is like having a Zelda game with no Link. For me, I don't want a game like that.
RPGCrazied
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Yeah, about that...
No Zelda or Link in that game really
I should clarify, main game title, not spin off. I don't mind this being a spin off, but does it really need "prime" in the title?
Don't see why not if it's a spin-off of that Metroid series.
JetSetRadio
Banned
I had never seen a petition to cancel a game before this.
would "Metroid: Federation Force" have been better?
Why? It's more like a Metroid Prime game than a Metroid game.
Why? Aside from the fact it's not a mainline Metroid game, and the graphics are a bit dodgy (but can be salvaged), I fail to see what is so offensive about this game and as I said, many of the hands on reports said it was fun
CaviarMeths
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Considering that there are people in this thread actively calling for the game to be completely canceled in order for Nintendo to "save face," which is probably the most ridiculous overreaction to any gaming announcement I've ever seen outside of Japanese cultural experts, I would say it's aptly dramatic.
TheDinoman
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The funny thing is, in Japan, Prime itself is already seen as kind of a spinoff from the mainline Metroid titles developed by Nintendo R&D1/Yoshio Sakamoto.
It's embarrassing. Cringe-worthy, even.
right? like of all the shit to try to expand on
tbh itll be a cold day in hell before i even think about going to bat for a gotdamn FPS on the gotdamn nintendo 3ds of all things, metroid or not
wild wild rice
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Nice first post. I'm a Metroid fan dating to the original game and I'm not offended by what they're going for here. I also believe the game will look a bit different the next time we see it. Looks like a fun spin off and I know we'll get a more orthodox Metroid in the near future.
CaviarMeths
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I'm not particularly pumped for it, might check it out, but I'm also not offended because this is a 3rd party licensed spin-off. It was probably pitched to Nintendo by NLG, who gave them the go ahead because of previous successes with Strikers, Punch Out, and Luigi's Mansion.
The game existing has no bearing whatsoever on Nintendo EAD (EPD?)'s output.
And because being offended by video games existing is an act far too silly for my refined graces.
That's what I don't understand. Who has been asking for a third person squad shooter on the 3DS? At least put it on the Wii U where there's a second analog stick.
wild wild rice
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I think Tanabe said in an interview they wanted to put it on Wii U, but it would have been too expensive to make. Can anyone back that up or am I imagining that?
Pretty much my opinion. Metroid fan since day 1 on NES and I have no problem with this.
NO PROBLEM.
I mean, it's a spin-off, and it could be a really fun one. You didn't see me up in arms over Metroid Prime Hunters or Metroid Prime Pinball. It's as weird to me as a Zelda fan throwing a fit over Link's Crossbow Training, Hyrule Warriors, or Tingle's Freshly Picked Rosy Rupeeland. It's like being mad at Mario Party, Mario Kart, and Mario Paint. It's like a Final Fantasy fan enraged at Theatrythm, Dissidia, and Chocobo Dungeon.
Look, I hated Other M too. It's been a LONG wait for a "real" Metroid game. But this game isn't that game. It's a spin-off. A real Metroid will come, but like Tri-Force Heroes, I'm okay with something new, different, creative, and out-there to tie me over until the real thing arrives.
Nocturnowl
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I think this may be my favourite game announcement of 2015 for all the sheer nonsense it's managed to generate.
nkarafo
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The difference has been explained many times but i think it should be repeated over and over.
The difference between hunters/Pinball and this abomination is that Hunters and Pinball were released alongside a main Prime game. And because the main Prime games were so good, nobody was angry about the spin offs, they could be seen as little bonuses.
Now, Federation is being released without a main Metroid, not only alongside it but not even on the horizon. Add to that the fact that OtherM left a bad taste in our mouths and we just want something good to wash it off. To me, Federation is a waste of time and resources that could be used or saved to add up for a main game. If there was a main game with it, nobody would have a problem.
Spieler Eins
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This, I guess some people just actively refuse to understand this extremely simple notion.
Arguably, it's even worse now, because not only do we not know whether we'll get a Metroid mainline game anytime soon, but Nintendo has dropped the ball for 3DS pretty badly in general. From critical flops like STEAM, Home Designer and Chibi Robo dominating the barren release schedule, to the fact they couldn't keep Japanese 3rd parties on the system excluding some exceptions - Federation Force is just the shit cherry on top.
Unless they've been hiding it, I don't see a singleplayer experience that surpasses Hunters or whatever solution was in Four Swords games. And even then, it still has that awful chibi look.
After the rise of Rocket League, the soccer minigame looks even more embarrassing than back at E3.
But the Treehouse demos and hands-on receptions from the press and gamers leaned positive. And the game is still a year away. There are games that made it out of beta which got a less positive hands-on reception.
So you're saying the difference between Hunters and Pinball ALSO being abominations is simply timing? Because if we had another main Prime game this game would suddenly be better in your eyes? That seems like a rather unfair criteria to leverage against the game.
I think it's ridiculous to think that "time and resources" are being wasted when it's obvious nobody working on this game, aside from maybe the producer, was ever going to work on a "real" Metroid Prime game. It's a spin-off. It's not being made by Retro Studios anymore than Prime Hunters or Prime Pinball were. And the producer, like Zelda's producers and directors, are more than capable of working on multiple projects at a time.
Besides, even then, they have stated, openly, that there are plans for Metroid... just not on the Wii U. Even then, on Wii U, one of the first Wii games they made available to download was Metroid Prime Trilogy. They have a new system coming out next year.... I imagine they'll have games to announce for it, and since Prime's producer has been quite candidly talking up Prime 4 all year ("Wonder what happened with Sylux? Wonder what we could do with time-shifting mechanics? Hint hint. Wink wink. Nudge nudge."), I'm more than willing to wait...
... And play Federation Force in the meantime.
Yes, Other M was AWFUL. Yes, this is not the game I expect to "wash out the taste". I need a real, meaty Metroid for that. But this? This is an appetizer. I'm fine with appetizers.
There is nothing in Federation Force that other franchises I love haven't experimented with as well... and sometimes successfully. I'm definitely giving it a shot, "abomination" or not.
I'm not expecting Prime 4 out of this game, and nor should you.
Spieler Eins
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It doesn't matter if this becomes the best Space Soccer Shooting minigame Collection ever, because its nature is the actual problem.
Or it's all you get from the franchise for another 5 years. Until Nintendo announces otherwise, there's no reason to believe that they are just hiding a real Metroid game elsewhere. People also had delusions about Nintendoland hinting at all these great franchises returning on WiiU, lol. So right now, FF is nothing but an insult to the Metroid fanbase. We can look at this title less critical once a proper Metroid is announced though.
Just like Metroid Prime Pinball? Or Link's Crossbow Training? Or Warioware?
Why must a spin-off be exactly like the genre it was spawned off from? That's WHY it's a spin-off in the first place.
Such hyperbole. An unreleased, portable spin-off multiplayer game is an "insult". As if they're sitting around planning on offending you, personally, with their game design choices.
I struggle to believe it can possibly do more damage than Other M did to the franchise, unless its opening moments are burning Samus in effigy while crowds chant "down with strong women".
The last triple-A Zelda game was in 2011. The last triple-A Metroid was in 2010. Zelda fans got A Link Between Worlds, which was great, but also a smaller-scale portable game, and they're getting Tri-Force Heroes, a multiplayer-focused title that ditches a lot of traditional Zelda elements. Metroid literally is getting only one less brand new title than Zelda in the past 5 years, and Zelda is a hallmark Nintendo franchise.
If Federation Force is all we get in 5 years, fine. I want more (I ALWAYS want more), but they've already stated this isn't what they have planned for a full-resource Metroid game, but they confirmed there are plans.
Seriously... I think Other M was just so bad that people are demanding the greatest game ever made ASAP to atone for it and redeem the franchise. Federation Force is NOT the game you're looking for.
And I hate being one of those people who say "deal with it", but... really. Deal with it. Actually come to terms with it. This game is coming out, it's not a traditional Metroid game, it's a spin-off game with a chibi artstyle and focus on multiplayer, it's on 3DS, it doesn't star Samus, and it's not meant to be the next great award-winning, genre-defining, system-selling powerhouse Prime game we all want.
It'll be okay.
I think you're missing a major point here, as many others are too.
A spin-off can be it's own thing; completely different than any mainline series game. In Metroid's case, however, the situation is a bit more confusing than anything. The last Metroid game to be released was Other M, and I don't believe I have to go into detail when it comes to that - it just didn't work out.
For years, fans clamored and begged for a new Metroid tease, something, anything. Nintendo's response? Federation Force. It feels delusional and empty, tiding Metroid fans over until... what, exactly? Despite it's placement in the B-side category of the 3DS lineup, this is the game Nintendo (or maybe just Tanabe) feels that Metroid fans deserve.
As much as I love Nintendo, they really should just take a look at how 2015 Square Enix is handling themselves - AKA actually listening to fans and releasing the games they want to play. I'm not saying their creative side needs to back down by any means, risks are important to take, but at times Nintendo is so frustratingly inclusive.
John Kowalski
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Good heavens.
Spieler Eins
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The answer to that is in the post you originally quoted. It doesn't matter what a spinoff does or whether it's good. The fact that it is a spinoff is the problem people have.They are slapping the Metroid name on a completely unrelated product, while the real series is still dead after 5 years. A series that has a reputation of being one of the most heralded Nintendo ,,hardcore" IPs, one of the few with a darker tone and more sophisticated gamedesign like Zelda, which is also desperately needed among countless mascot platformer rehashes, minigames or other crap like Home Designer. What looks like a sequel to Nintendoland Metroid instead is just insulting however.
This is the equivalent of a dormant legacy IPs being abused for shoddy smartphone games that have nothing to do with the series. And people don't try to defend these cases either, for good reason.
We can talk about that once a real Metroid is unveiled. They having ,,plans" means nothing and current Nintendo isn't exactly giving hope they'd invest in such a thing. Or that a mainline game would be any better, I mean Starfox is coming back with a clearly low budget gamepad tech demo.
clevbrowns94
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I'll just wait to see how it turns out instead of flip out beforehand, and I realize there will probably be a proper Metroid game on the NX (and if not, this series is about as dead as F-Zero).
LOL at people saying Nintendo has a real Metroid game in development that they're just not showing us.
People were saying the same thing E3 2014, can we cut the crap and realize that Nintendo has nothing Metroid-related planned outside Federation Force?
People were saying the same thing E3 2014, can we cut the crap and realize that Nintendo has nothing Metroid-related planned outside Federation Force?
Nintendo's own figures put Metroid Fusion at 1.6 million copies sold.
Linkstrikesback
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Yeah, about that...
No Zelda or Link in that game really
You're splitting hairs. You play as 'link' with a different hair colour in that game.
CaviarMeths
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Fan entitlement is embarrassing. Nobody, least of all a multi-billion dollar global corporation, owes you stuff just because you liked something that they made a decade ago.
Wanting a "real" new Metroid game is fine, but acting like them not making it is a personal insult is some next level dramalord shit.
Wanting a "real" new Metroid game is fine, but acting like them not making it is a personal insult is some next level dramalord shit.
No, you see, it's totally different because you're a different boy who looks exactly like Link rescuing a different girl who looks exactly like Zelda. Just like Federation Force stars a different hero who looks exactly like Samus... Or not. Huh.
AcademicSaucer
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Next Level games is a good developer, no need for OP to save it.
To the people rabidly repeating "5 years!", well no shit. It would take 2 years minimum for a 2d handheld one from Sakamoto's team and that wasn't happening right after other m. And 3 years from Retro after Tropical Freeze released in 2012, and hey guess what we're just in that time frame but we're just waiting for NX.
So I guess blame Retro for deciding to work on DK in 2010 after Returns released? Guess people already did that when TF was announced because people are morons.
And thanks, huh, who knew Fusion trucked along so good. I guess now I really understand the push for a more linear style Metroid at Nintendo, even though linearity probably had little to do with Fusion's success.
So I guess blame Retro for deciding to work on DK in 2010 after Returns released? Guess people already did that when TF was announced because people are morons.
Garlador pretty much said it better than me. Tanabe is like I have lots of ideas for Prime 4 but it's not something we're actively doing to me means we're not doing it on Wii u because duh.
And thanks, huh, who knew Fusion trucked along so good. I guess now I really understand the push for a more linear style Metroid at Nintendo, even though linearity probably had little to do with Fusion's success.
Extra Sauce
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Pre-order cancelled.
TheDinoman
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They also made Punch-Out!! on Wii, which was pretty great.
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
Those are all Link lolYeah, about that...
No Zelda or Link in that game really
No, they're Lonk, Lank, and Lunk.
Triggerhappytel
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It's kinda crazy. But hopefully sends a strong message to Nintendo; people want Metroid, but just not this kind of Metroid.
Agreed, I mean I love the Metroid series and I enjoyed Prime 1 but the Metroid fan base annoy the hell out of me and their childish reaction towards Federation Force was just embarrassing.
I plan to buy the game and I hope that Nintendo didn't change anything in response to the backlash and stuck to their guns and made the game that they wanted to make.
Nah it just sends a message that the Metroid fan base are loud, whiny and should be ignored.
Scientist Supreme!
Banned
Just cancel the whole franchise, who gives a fuck.
As a Metroid fan for decades, I think it looks like absolute shit. I don't want it cancelled or anything, but I'll never buy something like this. It's a completely inappropriate game for the series and seems to signal that Nintendo really doesn't know what they're doing with this IP now that Sakamoto and Retro aren't leading development. It doesn't have the look or atmosphere of a Metroid title at all.... It looks like the kind of cutesy thing that would be acceptable in a compilation minigame like Nintendoland, not a standalone Metroid release.
I actually like the idea a little bit. Playing as a trooper and seeing the universe through different eyes might help you understand Samus in a new light. But I really don't think you'll be able to do "Metroid" if you're not Samus. Without her powerups and abilities, 90% of the typical exploration is impossible. No morph ball, no speed booster, no space jump, no bombs.... just being a dude with a machine gun really limits what you can do.
If they had approached it more seriously, without the sports minigaming and with a visual style that actually suits the series at least a small amount, people may have liked this concept. As it is, it just isn't something that should have the Metroid name on it, even if it is a spinoff.
No, it sends the message that Nintendo shit the bed with this game. They take this kind of reaction very seriously and have already acknowledged the fact that they have disappointed fans. They don't know what they're doing with the series. They don't know what they should be doing. They don't know what we want from them. This reaction will help them make these things clearer for future games.
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