Astral Dog
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To be fair, Triforce Héroes is kind of a joke game
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Does Nintendo Treehouse rely on memes too much? (Tri Force Heroes Localization)
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Aaronrules380
Member
Have you played it? Because it's actually really really fun
TheMoon
Member
While we're reminiscing about the olden localization days here's a fun fact: the English localization of Terranigma, which never released in North America, was handled by NOA (Dan Owsen, Hiro Nakamura [no, not the guy from Heroes^^ ...he's actually a designer at GameFreak now working on Pokémon games] and Colin Palmer).
I can haz triforce?
Grumpy Ganon
The harsh truth.
I'm fine with Treehouse and their script writing. It comes off naturally and I think the idea is to give people who wiki or text or blog something can easily transition to when they jump into a game. The whole point of a game is to enjoy it ... and they put their best effort into making the text interesting.
Don't let your dreams be memes!
Solid Samus
Banned
the most annoying meme on the internet is the one where dudes bitch and moan and shed tears like they just got their toe stubbed because an internet meme, no matter how unobtrusive or appropriate, happened to cross their path
KojiKnight
Member
Anyone that has a problem with NoA using slang should probably avoid playing Link to the Past on the SNES....
Seriously, this is a staple of Zelda localizations.
Seriously, this is a staple of Zelda localizations.
I think he's referring to the tone of the game and not necessarily the quality.
Screamapillar
Member
It's a cartoony, light-hearted Zelda spin-off with a goofy story. I'd only be concerned if they did that in a Metroid or main Zelda title.
As i understand, the scripts are simultaneously sent to both localization teams nowadays and basically they are made simultaneously with no input from the other team, also i believe that the other language scripts in europe are made from the UK english one.
It's why everything is different in Advance Wars: Days of Ruin (US) and Advance Wars: Dark Conflict (EU) despite being the same game.
Finally someone calls them out on this too. I thought it felt fitting for a very "hip" type game like Splatoon, but generally I've noticed it's a very general thing in most of the 3DS/Wii U era cycle that's begun and I think they're starting to fall from their high standards in the past (look at Hotel Dusk for example. Holy shit, that's good localization)
But it doesn't puzzle me at all when the likes of Audrey Drake and other fangirls disguised as media/journalist people types join a company. It's literally people who wrote the average hyperbole and console-war-mentality, tabloid articles at IGN and alike who joined this company to write, and it's starting to show incredibly much. Takes out the charm of everything, It might explain why even the "humorous dialogue TM" was off in the last Mario & Luigi game.
Or maybe it's because I'm european and got the poorly localized version IDK, but I remember ALBW having pretty uncharismatic writing in the eu version. Dunno if there's a difference with that one.
TL;DR: I've noticed it too, and think it's because fanboys/girls joined the company to write and I've also lost interest in a lot of core Nintendo franchises myself, lately.
But it doesn't puzzle me at all when the likes of Audrey Drake and other fangirls disguised as media/journalist people types join a company. It's literally people who wrote the average hyperbole and console-war-mentality, tabloid articles at IGN and alike who joined this company to write, and it's starting to show incredibly much. Takes out the charm of everything, It might explain why even the "humorous dialogue TM" was off in the last Mario & Luigi game.
Or maybe it's because I'm european and got the poorly localized version IDK, but I remember ALBW having pretty uncharismatic writing in the eu version. Dunno if there's a difference with that one.
TL;DR: I've noticed it too, and think it's because fanboys/girls joined the company to write and I've also lost interest in a lot of core Nintendo franchises myself, lately.
Screamapillar
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Despite the US being a predominantly english-speaking country, there are large differences in the way people in the US and UK speak, read and write. It's a cultural difference. That's why the UK localization of Xenoblade Wii seemed so awkward and over-the-top over here. It was localized for a British audience. Had NoA invested in a full western localization like they do for most other games, it would have been noticeably different.
Tom Nook Sawyer
Member
Ha, good point. She did include her own username in the old man's spell after all
Aknima is Aminka backwards, which was her old Twitter handle
I don't think they really localized it "for a british audience". I just think it was a choice they made because a game like Xenoblade sort of has a Harry Potter type vibe to it with its weird magical lore and teenage characters.
Take Professor Layton vs Phoenix Wright Ace Attorney for example. They didn't give british actors to Phoenix Wright or Maya or even the main prosecutor in the game. It's way better than the A-list of voice actors being the same reoccuring ones for every japanese video game ever (Troy Baker, Laura Bailey, Travis Willingham, Yuri Lowenthal, Dee Bradley Baker, Tara Strong etc.)
I love original voicecasts that usually pop up in the NoE-translated games and they're not all british.
The kind of ironic that these dismissive posts show more upset than those who are being accused of being upset. People being offended by people being offended!
Shed tears? Really?
There's some internet humour in there
Too lazy to grab a picture but there's also a part in Dream Team where Bowser says "It's time for Kidnapped Peach 2: The Bowsering"
Extra Sauce
Member
Memes can become annoying when supposed professionals use them as a crutch to compensate for an inability to be funny on their own.
Scientist Supreme!
Banned
I hope Nintendo uses more memes especially in games like metroid and zelda
Some people get so hot and bothered over the silliest things. The game is barely taking itself seriously from what I've seen and invokes a sense of self-aware humor on the regular. The "meme-speak" isn't hurting the experience at all, especially in the dosage it's being used in.
The "dating the experience" concern is legit (in general), but this is definitely not the game to lambast for enabling it.
The "dating the experience" concern is legit (in general), but this is definitely not the game to lambast for enabling it.
PotionBleue
Member
When introducing Moray Towers,
NoA
Callie: Rollers are super effective here!
Marie: Chargers are the very best, like no gun ever was!
NoE
Callie: Without a doubt, rollers are superior in this stage!
Marie: Um... No. Chargers are by far the best!
More NoA/NoE dialogue here: http://squidboards.com/threads/inkopolis-news-and-other-splatoon-quotes-manuscript.2155/
This reminds of the first few Nintendo games we got in french, some characters in the first Super Mario Galaxy and Phantom Hourglass had some heavy Quebec slang in most of their dialogs, it felt really out of place (and parents got mad, lol).
That was toned down a lot for SMG2 and later games. The translations are probably better now, can't say I rarely play my games in french.
Also I don't mind memes in NOA's translation if they are used sparingly. I hate them in indie games though.
Canadian French still gets dumb translations. In Mario Kart 8, Cloudtop Cruise is called Dans les nuages (literally In the clouds) instead of Voie céleste. I don't get why they choose different names for things such as locations, characters (Maskass/Maskache), vehicles, item names etc. as it causes confusion when Quebec and French players talk to each other.
well I guess SOME of us DON'T plan to force their 4 year-olds to play this when learning about the history of the Zelda series, FINE
kitchenmotors
Banned
All because someone listens to that BitBlock guy tweet his overreaction. I saw his tweet posted on my Facebook about it.
Embarrassing.
ColtraineGF
Member
I agree completely. I have no idea how a single line can extrapolate into "too many memes".
Tons of games use memes and current jokes in dialogue. This is not that big of a deal - if someone doesn't get the joke (like people who don't get a reference to Airplane or Spaceballs or something), they'll move on.
Tom Nook Sawyer
Member
This is how I feel. I found the line amusing, without being aware of its meme context originally
nckillthegrimace
Member
I don't like all this meme nonsense either, but in that example the NoE version is terrible. Very dry and way too wordy. The Splatoon final boss stuff posted here is similarly lacking. If I have to endure the occasional meme to get some actual spirit in a localization, then so be it.
King Gilga
Member
That's gross, totally lame and would ruin the game for me immediately if I saw that.
NOE for the win.
NOE for the win.
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
It's a joined effort of treehouse and 8-4 noway just 8-4 could do the game if treehouse needed them for help.
How would that ruin the game, when the intro alone has handrawn art of a King crying in rivers...
Or when you start playing as Link, which has a shirt with a teddy bear on it.
A game were you can comtrol Link, wearing Zelda's dress.
This a a silly/weird/out of place Zelda game. Anyone expecting or approaching it as a serious game, shouldn't. Neither is a cute/saturday morning cartoon like Zelda game, is just werird...which is what makes it awesome. Thetranslation by Treehouse is superb and it shows that they had a great time doing it.
*****
But whatever. I'm out. Too many threads like this over the last weeks.
There's some internet humour in there
Too lazy to grab a picture but there's also a part in Dream Team where Bowser says "It's time for Kidnapped Peach 2: The Bowsering"
Yeah, that was the image posted earlier in the thread.
The second reference doesn't really strike me as being particularly meme-y. There's always been jokes about sequel subtitles for as long as anyone can remember. I'm actually surprised that none of the Mario RPGs have made the obvious Electric Boogaloo reference, given the presence of Boos in the series.
Shang
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I'm fine with the Fatal Frame video and the Hammer Bros. thing, but that doge joke in the OP is just awful.
Also, I echo this sentiment.
So wait, why is the person speaking like the Doge meme? Is it supposed to be a kid, or some sort of distracted dog person? It looks like an old man to me. I was cool with these references before when they weren't as blatant (Outside of the aforementioned Hammer Bros., but that was an attempt to make 2 characters who were acting robotic seem more interesting, so it gets a pass). It's been getting worse, and I recall there was that one survey that asked if Nintendo should use "more memes" on a scale from 1-5. GAF was incredulous towards that post, but now I'm starting to feel that an overwhelming number of younger players took that survey and marked 5. Which is a shame, really; Treehouse can write fantastic scripts of their own; forcing in a joke about... what's the name of that green frog that gets sad at things?
Besides, does anyone still do the "Doge" meme? There's a car that's usually parked in the same parking lot I use that has doge on the hood, and I was laughing about how outdated that joke was a year ago. So basically, this means we'll be seeing John Cena Roll jokes in Fire Emblem, like, 5 years from now.
Besides, does anyone still do the "Doge" meme? There's a car that's usually parked in the same parking lot I use that has doge on the hood, and I was laughing about how outdated that joke was a year ago. So basically, this means we'll be seeing John Cena Roll jokes in Fire Emblem, like, 5 years from now.
Tom Nook Sawyer
Member
It wasn't a person talking; Link was reading a book, written by someone who's age is unknown afaik
WrenchNinja
Member
It's really really fun*.
*when you have two other people, that aren't acting dumb, Or trying to troll you, and the connection between you all isn't laggy.
It's interesting that you point that out because I have noticed that some games released in Europe and Oceania retain the American localisation (they don't replace 'z' with 's' in words like 'realise') while others have a completely different localisation for the regional releases.
I wonder what factors come into play in their decision to choose one or the other, and why it varies so much between titles.