Yeah. The only place it's truly dead is Japan. It's not selling great in Germany but it's still moved like 450k ish consoles or something around there. That's moe than zero
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October 2015 NPD (U.S. Hardware) Predictions - Closes November 10th
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Kralamoonard
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Destiny sold more copies on PS4 in North America and has more players on PS4 than XB1...same rings true worldwide with an even larger margin. Discounting bundle sales makes your point facile since your still discounting copies of a game sold, regardless how it was; honestly bud I still don't understand your point...
Sangetsu-II
Member
Prototype Viktor
Member
got to add the Square unreasonable expectation multiplier for that
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
We do know it's only ever been wrong once and that was when the XB1 beat the PS4 by 7k.
Dead = not moving software
When out of a 100 positions in game charts, XboxOne occupies 4 to 6 spots, that's a negligible presence.
It's highly likely you're going to counter with "Well, MS cares about selling consoles, not software!!" in which case, we're done here~
By that definition, shouldn't the sales in Japan count as 'okay' because hey, that's also more than zero.
Was not, since XB1 was at number #42 AND #52.
DaleinCalgary
Member
Does Halo have the following it used to with 343 at the helm?
Holy fucking hamburgers.
Software wise it'll be a big mover because it is halo but I don't think it'll ever move as many hardware units as Halo 3 did. Long term I guess we'll see how long it has with player retention.
The 8-Bit Raider
Member
Slap some cheese and a side of fries on that bad boy and we're good to go.
Primethius
Banned
I think it's hard to make that determination. Because for me, the lack of domination by the X1 like the 360 is probably going to play more into the relative strength of Halo then other factors (such as the dev).
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
Whether sony wins this npd or not isn't my big draw from this month. Its the fact that we are talking about Sony even having a chance at all in halo month that's insane and really shows how this gen is going. Even if the Xbox wins i mean will it be by alot?
Sangetsu-II
Member
I'm more shocked that PS4 will maintain it's gap vs XB1 this year unlike last year.
DriftingSpirit
Member
Sony's price cut would mitigate the difference in sales if X1 were to win.
But yeah, the fact that this is even a discussion shows the shift. Halo coming out meant domination before.
According to elements we've seen ... Apparently not.
It would also be the first month where Amazon would have been clearly wrong (April had to read between the lines, as Amazon ranks individual SKUs).
I think they will expand the gap in November (baring a Holiday long price cut for XB1 that is).
I think both points are valid. The fact we are even having this discussion says a lot.
But yea Sony maintaining the gap is crazy too. I remember a few months ago. People had the PS4 getting crushed this holiday simply because Sony had no exclusives. Now it's looking like Sony can take October and the rest of the year as well.
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
That's insane they've been hitting all the right notes and 2016 seems to be even better.
I'm discounting the bundles for a reason, out of the "current" owners of next gen systems (as of Destiny's launch day, both editions), the XB1 version sold more, thus having a significantly higher attache rate.
The 8-Bit Raider
Member
Are you also discounting digital versions of the game? If so, what is your reason? I'm aware NPD does not count digital copies, I just want to understand what you are trying to say.
Edit: I only ask becouse I was under the impression that the PS4 version sold more copies when digital versions were included. If that is indeed true, then which system has the higher attach rate?
I was actually shocked myself when I saw the Uncharted bundle being ahead by a decent margin. Honestly, now I think the PS4 will take October as well, albeit with a relatively small gap, unless Amazon is clearly wrong for the first time. Another important thing to note is that Amazon ran out of stock of the TLOU and Destiny bundles. But just to be on the safe side, I'll wait for Microsoft's PR about Halo 5, if there is one. If they go with something like number of headshots or number of bullets fired, I think they are hiding something.
3rdamention
Member
Well there it is, either Amazon is wrong this month, or the Uncharted Bundle and the PS4 beat out the Xbox One during a Halo launch...
The NPD results thread has the chance to be epic, and next month won't be very interesting with all these PS4 exclusive bundles that have been selling so well for the past 2 months finally releasing.....
TTK still was DLC so while it had a retail and bundled presence it still likely was bought digitally by people who just wanted that part of the DLC rather than rebuy the original game and the last 2 pieces of DLC (just the TTK DLC on its own was only available digitally)
It doesn't seem unreasonable to consider it selling far more digitally therefore making NPD not that useful to draw your conclusions - its a difficult one as I don't think the pricing actually made buying just TTK on its own value for money either...
Yeah its mad, not a conversation I expected to happen only mere weeks ago
ps3ud0 8)
Plague Doctor
Member
That's one of the most telling thing about this generation. If Xbox takes this month and it isn't a sizable gap, a new Halo was their best hardware pusher they have with their exclusive software line up we know about (I mean barring a massive price cut to the hardware). I think just having a pricier bundle SKU was a miscalculation and they should have had two of them.
correction
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
I know right its crazy! I mean you could be the biggest sony fanboy ever but nobody could deny that on halo month the xbox should have had a clean sweep no questions asked. That fact that there is any doubt at all is mindblowing to me
Just a impression, there's no data to say that PS4 digital sales are proportionally bigger than on Xbox One.
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
I think it's more a miscalculation. MS were trying to straddle two months with the Halo bundle: snatch a win in October and secure a win in November. But it hasn't worked as intended. Black Friday will be insane because I'm certain MS will have lots of left over stock from this miscalculation. Has Sony compensated though? Is this why they've increased their forecast by 1m for the fiscal year?
StrongBlackVine
Banned
I was actually shocked myself when I saw the Uncharted bundle being ahead by a decent margin. Honestly, now I think the PS4 will take October as well, albeit with a relatively small gap, unless Amazon is clearly wrong for the first time. Another important thing to note is that Amazon ran out of stock of the TLOU and Destiny bundles. But just to be on the safe side, I'll wait for Microsoft's PR about Halo 5, if there is one. If they go with something like number of headshots or number of bullets fired, I think they are hiding something.
Would Amazon really be wrong considering there are Halo bundle sales from previous months that won't count until now?
I don't think the pre orders for the Halo 5 bundle in previous months will give it a win in October. There are two other PS4 SKU's that are quite close to the Halo 5 bundle on the monthly charts.
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
We can't really say that for sure, but I'm doubtful. The preorders of the Halo Bundle never got close to the preorders of the Destiny bundle OR the Star Wars Bundle.
To be fair, it was out of the top 100 on the montly charts in September and August typically sees slow sales.
Well, that's what I think, at least. I could easily be wrong.
Wasn't September the biggest month ever for digital sales?
We don't know what place the Halo bundle would be on the October chart if we added August and September sales to it too though so StrongBlackVine makes a good point.
And? This doesn't mean that PS4 players buy digital game at higher rate than Xbox One owners.
Plague Doctor
Member
Yeah it wasn't the wisest decision but we need to see the final NPD for October to see if Amazon is correct. If they have a good amount of left over stock, can they even instruct retailer to discount it for Black Friday? I mean once its shipped, it's up to the stores to price it at their discretion? Regardless, if that is the scenario the retailers themselves are definitely going to have deals galore.
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
Let's be honest here though: if the XB1 preorders DO give the XB1 a win and it's only by a small margin, it will be seen as a moral victory for Sony. This is Halo we're talking about here.
tattooed_dwarf
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What the hell is this supposed to mean, "likely you're going to counter with"? I'm not here to fight or giving punches. Have I done something to you or why you seem to know me so well?
And why use hyberbole word like dead when it's not the case?
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
Basically yup. If its not a big win its still in a way a loss
It could be, but we don't have digital sales data. & Sony didn't mention Destiny in the PR about September breaking PSN sales record, they specifically talked about pre-orders for Battlefront, Call of Duty, & Uncharted.
Yes, I agree, but I was talking about the monthly charts to make my predictions, not about whether who gets a "moral victory".
I think some people are a little obsessed with winners and losers in a NPD month.
If Xbox One move a good amount of hardware Microsoft will be happy and will be a good month for them (Especially because Halo bundle at $500 must give a great profit). If PS4 sold more kudos for Sony, but this doesn't erases MS sales.
If Xbox One move a good amount of hardware Microsoft will be happy and will be a good month for them (Especially because Halo bundle at $500 must give a great profit). If PS4 sold more kudos for Sony, but this doesn't erases MS sales.
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
Yeah, I was accepting your point and just adding another.
Bear Force One
Banned
October Surprise?
October Surprise.
October Surprise.
I'm assuming they increased the forecast because they didn't expect to ship 4 million last quarter. Nobody did actually, not even the most diehard Sony fanboys/fangirls.
But it will be bad PR for ms though.
Primethius
Banned
Eh, I think a bit of pride does go to hand to hand with it. One has Halo and the other has a price cut.