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[DrGonzo615]

Well of course, almost all gun stores were having big sales like every other product being sold. Not sure how this is surprising, guns are retail products as well.

Yep

You can always spot the gun nuts in these topics. As if there's not an issue and we're all just overreacting.

No hope left for the US.

Cops are going to need rail guns and rocket launchers soon to kill unarmed black people that are a threat to the white gun owners.

Lol nope, no overreaction here!

 

[Malyse]

Santa's Naughty or Nice List is probably a better system for deciding who can get guns.

Not really.

 

[PBY]

Man... this is terrifying and gross.

 

[fantomena]

NRA is proud of you guys.

 

[Rawket Lawnchair]

Lol nope, no overreaction here!

New FBI record for background checks (185k, on a Black Friday no less), and you think a couple of posters on an internet forum are the ones overreacting?

Let me guess - you're a proud gun owner.

 

[Dhx]

New FBI record for background checks (185k, on a Black Friday no less), and you think a couple of posters on an internet forum are the ones overreacting?

Let me guess - you're a proud gun owner.

But the bottom line is a legal retail item hit a record single day number on Black Friday. Pointing to the record number of mandatory background checks is a bit disingenuous.

 

[turtle553]

You'd be surprised. I asked my local gun store once and he said it happens all the time (generally this happens with online sales). It's like they think "Oh I did some shit in another state but now I live in this state and it should be ok". Order the gun online (For those that don't know online sales have to go to a local dealership it just doesn't ship to your home like Amazon), go to the store, run a background check, fail. Then gun store I believe has to call the police but cannot detain the person.

It depends on why they didn't pass the background check whether the cops are called. The last time I did the form, I asked the dealer if people ever give the wrong answers and he also said it happens a lot. One time someone admitted to being a fugitive from the law. Dealer called the cops and the guy was arrested.

 

[DrGonzo615]

New FBI record for background checks (185k, on a Black Friday no less), and you think a couple of posters on an internet forum are the ones overreacting?

Let me guess - you're a proud gun owner.

Is this supposed to discredit me in some way? I own a few WW2 weapons that yes, I suppose I am kinda proud of, they are tangible pieces of history to my eyes.

Guns go on sale just like everything else on Black Friday so Im not sure what "overraction" you are referring to when you cite the background check number.

Yes, I own a few guns but before you write me off as some gun toting crazy (like you were going to do) theres a few other things you should know.

-I believe in comprehensive background checks and feel that they should be more strict taking into consideration mental health records.

-I have never and will never support the NRA since they are basically just the marketing wing for gun manufacturers and are generally a bunch of douchebags.

-I dont believe that its a good idea to carry a gun everywhere I go

-I have never killed a living thing with any of my guns, they are for plinking only.

Maybe if people dropped their prejudices and hyperbolic horseshit then some real progress would be made on gun reform.

 

[PBY]

Is this supposed to discredit me in some way? I own a few WW2 weapons that yes, I suppose I am kinda proud of, they are tangible pieces of history to my eyes.

Guns go on sale just like everything else on Black Friday so Im not sure what "overraction" you are referring to when you cite the background check number.

Yes, I own a few guns but before you write me off as some gun toting crazy (like you were going to do) theres a few other things you should know.

-I believe in comprehensive background checks and feel that they should be more strict taking into consideration mental health records.

-I have never and will never support the NRA since they are basically just the marketing wing for gun manufacturers and are generally a bunch of douchebags.

-I dont believe that its a good idea to carry a gun everywhere I go

-I have never killed a living thing with any of my guns, they are for plinking only.

Maybe if people dropped their prejudices and hyperbolic horseshit then some real progress would be made on gun reform.

I think most gun owners = crazy. That's it, regardless of how you want to qualify it.

Youre actively seeking out murder weapons as a hobby. That said, I understand that there are sales on all items on BF - but why are we breaking sales records?

 

[daycru]

Popular Constitutionally protected product in high sales shocker.

 

[dark_quota]

Didn't purchase a gun, but got two 525 round boxes of 22lr. ammo. Don't have to worry about ammo for a while now at least.

 

[RefigeKru]

You have a presidential candidate on youtube cooking bacon by firing his assault rifle.

 

[Az]

I didn't see any decent gun sales. Just that cheap shit.

 

[Piggus]

I bought a Ruger Mk III target pistol. It wasn't on sale, but the .22 ammo was.

Youre actively seeking out murder weapons as a hobby.

Oh noez! Us evil paper target and soda can killers should be ashamed!

 

[Robot Pants]

Anyone have the numbers on Lee Greenwood album sales this past weekend?

2 copies

 

[PBY]

Oh noez! Us evil paper target and soda can killers should be ashamed!

You can shoot at that with airsoft no?

 

[Eyeron]

I should have looked into some of these ammo deals. :/

 

[BattleMonkey]

This isnt clickbait. Stop thread shitting.

It pretty much is.

The day that guns are at their cheapest all year sees highest number in sales. No shit.

 

[WhiskerFrisker]

?? Supreme Caliph Barack Husseini "the islamic sHOCK" Obama is disgusted by your puny epithet.

I actually laughed hard at this :'D

 

[King_Moc]

Sales on guns? Whatever could go wrong with encouraging impulse sales on the murder weapons of racists and terrorists?

 

[Piggus]

You can shoot at that with airsoft no?

Lol. When you watch the Olympics, do you think they're using airsoft guns in shooting challenges? Maybe you should send a letter to the IOC and request that they stop encouraging the use of "murder weapons" as a sport.

I have several airsoft guns, by the way. They have their own purpose, but they don't really compare to actual shooting.

 

[TheTurboFD]

That said, I understand that there are sales on all items on BF - but why are we breaking sales records?

Because there were probably better sales this year and more people bought guns because that's what they want. What's hard to grasp here?

 

[DrGonzo615]

You can shoot at that with airsoft no?

You could also ride a scooter instead of a motorcycle

watch a movie on your cell phone instead of a theater screen

eat McDonalds instead of a good steak

Technically you would still be "riding" "watching a movie" "eating" and "shooting" but that doesnt mean the experiences are equal.

 

[BennyBlanco]

I really wanted to get one of those Remington 870s at Dicks but they sold out quick

 

[PBY]

Because there were probably better sales this year and more people bought guns because that's what they want. What's hard to grasp here?

Is there data for that?

Also, its not hard to grasp. But its concerning that we're breaking sales records on the item that is responsible for so many tragedies, ESPECIALLY looking back on 2014.

If you look back at all the mass shootings we had this year, then are confronted with these sales figures - how is that NOT disturbing? How?

 

[DrGonzo615]

Is there data for that?

Also, its not hard to grasp. But its concerning that we're breaking sales records on the item that is responsible for so many tragedies, ESPECIALLY looking back on 2014.

If you look back at all the mass shootings we had this year, then are confronted with these sales figures - how is that NOT disturbing? How?

Murders using a gun have actually been on the decline for the last 3 years and gun murder rates are at their lowest since 1981.

 

[PBY]

Murders using a gun have actually been on the decline for the last 3 years and gun murder rates are at their lowest since 1981.

So what? Crime overall is down too, this makes perfect sense.

 

[DrGonzo615]

So what? Crime overall is down too, this makes perfect sense.

Huh? So what point are you trying to make then?

 

[PBY]

Huh? So what point are you trying to make then?

If crime overall is down, then it makes sense that gun crime would also be down.

Doesn't mean that when you compare our gun crime rates to those of other developed nations, its an ugly picture.

 

[Aske]

I think most gun owners = crazy. That's it, regardless of how you want to qualify it.

Youre actively seeking out murder weapons as a hobby.

And that's why there will never be progress on this issue. Gun owners aren't crazy, they just value different things to you.

Figure why some people use guns to commit crimes. Work on those problems, and deaths will decrease; same as the not-American countries in which guns are legal.

Painting all gun owners as crazy folk who can't be reasoned with because murder weapons for killing!!!! is what makes people fear for their gun rights and treat the issue as an us-versus-them culture war, rather than encouraging people to come together to tackle the real problems: mass shootings and violent crime.

It's like if every time someone was hit by a drunk driver, half the country told drinkers they were crazy and that we need stricter alcohol control. Yes, making alcohol illegal would massively reduce alcohol related deaths. Same goes for guns. But half of America doesn't want to give up the things they enjoy because of some bad apples, and they have powerful lobbyists to prevent change. So lets change the conversation.

Plenty of people do advocate for moderate changes to gun ownership and acquisition laws on both sides of the debate, but the overwhelming vibe from people who don't own guns is "guns are bad, mkay?" Everyone's afraid, and they either want to buy guns or ban them to feel safe. It's a stalemate that has continued for far too long; meanwhile, nothing has changed, and people are still dying.

 

[DrGonzo615]

If crime overall is down, then it makes sense that gun crime would also be down.

Doesn't mean that when you compare our gun crime rates to those of other developed nations, its an ugly picture.

Ah gotcha, so nothing to do with black friday sales then?

 

[PBY]

And that's why there will never be progress on this issue. Gun owners aren't crazy, they just value different things to you.

Figure why some people use guns to commit crimes. Work on those problems, and deaths will decrease; same as the not-American countries in which guns are legal.

Painting all gun owners as crazy folk who can't be reasoned with because murder weapons for killing!!!! is what makes people fear for their gun rights and treat the issue as an us-versus-them culture war, rather than encouraging people to come together to tackle the real problems: mass shootings and violent crime.

It's like if every time someone was hit by a drunk driver, half the country told drinkers they were crazy and that we need stricter alcohol control. Yes, making alcohol illegal would massively reduce alcohol related deaths. Same goes for guns. But half of America doesn't want to give up the things they enjoy because of some bad apples, and they have powerful lobbyists to prevent change. So lets change the conversation.

Plenty of people do advocate for moderate changes to gun ownership and acquisition laws on both sides of the debate, but the overwhelming vibe from people who don't own guns is "guns are bad, mkay?" Everyone's afraid, and they either want to buy guns or ban them to feel safe. It's a stalemate that has continued for far too long; meanwhile, nothing has changed, and people are still dying.

I've done this, and much of our policy makers have as well, and nothing changes.

I'm sick and tired of senseless, preventable murder. Im sick of the rhetoric. I'm sick of going to the movies and having that irrational fear for a brief few seconds flutter around.

Fuck that man. Guns present a preventable issue, and we stand by as innocents are slaughtered.

 

[Tal Shiar Agent]

Got about two thousand rounds of ammo on the way. Love me some Black Friday Ammo sales!

What beach are you storming?

 

[PBY]

This thread is disgusting, can't believe this is on the same page as the tragedy in California and people can't realize the dissonance between the two.

 

[Piggus]

I've done this, and much of our policy makers have as well, and nothing changes.

I'm sick and tired of senseless, preventable murder. Im sick of the rhetoric. I'm sick of going to the movies and having that irrational fear for a brief few seconds flutter around.

Fuck that man. Guns present a preventable issue, and we stand by as innocents are slaughtered.

You say you're sick of the rhetoric, but rhetoric streams from your fingertips in practically any thread that's gun-related. You're just as much a part of the problem as people on the other side who scoff at the introduction of sensible gun laws. It would be easier to take folks like you and hyperionx seriously if you didn't villainize the people you disagree with. You're never going to have a meaningful conversation that way.

This thread is disgusting, can't believe this is on the same page as the tragedy in California and people can't realize the dissonance between the two.

Nobody in here has done anything wrong by legally purchasing something you don't like.

 

[PBY]

You say you're sick of the rhetoric, but rhetoric streams from your fingertips in practically any thread that's gun-related. You're just as much a part of the problem as people on the other side who scoff at the introduction of sensible gun laws. It would be easier to take folks like you and hyperionx seriously if you didn't villainize the people you disagree with. You're never going to have a meaningful conversation that way.

The bolded is such bullshit.

This isn't a situation where both sides can be right. We HAVE the model for the answer, you just don't like it.

 

[NoblesseOblige]

The bolded is such bullshit.

I agree that the equivalency is inaccurate, but are you going to address the rest of the post or did you just stop there? His point is you're not helping the more 'moderate' gun-owners such as me want to rally to your side when you vilify us. Luckily for you the crazies on the pro-gun side are more crazy than you, so they're driving me your way for you. Hell, I even vote for candidates and advocate gun control myself these days.

 

[TheTurboFD]

The bolded is such bullshit.

This isn't a situation where both sides can be right. We HAVE the model for the answer, you just don't like it.

What exactly is this model that you have?

 

[Piggus]

The bolded is such bullshit.

This isn't a situation where both sides can be right. We HAVE the model for the answer, you just don't like it.

It doesn't matter whether I like it or not. We as a country will never adopt that model, at least not in our lifetimes. As soon as you realize that then maybe you'll come up with ideas both sides can agree on. Until then, expect no gun owner to take you seriously.

 

[PBY]

I agree that the equivalency is inaccurate, but are you going to address the rest of the post or did you just stop there? His point is you're not helping the more 'moderate' gun-owners such as me want to rally to your side when you vilify us. Luckily for you the crazies on the pro-gun side are more crazy than you, so they're driving me your way for you. Hell, I even vote for candidates and advocate gun control myself these days.

You're not wrong, I'm just heated because I've had the same discussions with the same posters in this thread on the same issues every time we have a mass shooting.

My view has become more extreme the more of these cases we have this.

What exactly is this model that you have?

I think the data shows that the Australian model can work.

 

[Dude Abides]

I agree that the equivalency is inaccurate, but are you going to address the rest of the post or did you just stop there? His point is you're not helping the more 'moderate' gun-owners such as me want to rally to your side when you vilify us. Luckily for you the crazies on the pro-gun side are more crazy than you, so they're driving me your way for you. Hell, I even vote for candidates and advocate gun control myself these days.

Maybe "moderate" gun owners should worry more about the negative externalities of their hobby and less about people saying mean things.

 

[TheTurboFD]

I think the data shows that the Australian model can work.

Well did they also have more than 310 million firearms in circulation ?

 

[PBY]

Well did they also have more than 310 million firearms in circulation ?

No. But do we just give up then? We may never eliminate the problem, but that is no excuse to not try and reduce these negative outcomes.

 

[TheTurboFD]

No. But do we just give up then? We may never eliminate the problem, but that is no excuse to not try and reduce these negative outcomes.

I completely agree but we need an actual thought out plan to decrease gun deaths. People tend to just scream BAN but then never actually think about how they're just going to tell over 300 million Americans that they can no longer have their weapons.

 

[PBY]

I completely agree but we need an actual thought out plan to decrease gun deaths. People tend to just scream BAN but then never actually think about how they're just going to tell over 300 million Americans that they can no longer have their weapons.

They can keep them; forward looking "ban" (similar to Australia's), with a buyback.

Boom.

 

[NoblesseOblige]

Maybe "moderate" gun owners should worry more about the negative externalities of their hobby and less about people saying mean things.

Oh I'm worried. Which is why I'm willing to trade in my gun if I feel it'd help count toward saving lives. Also why I absolutely loathe the NRA and similar organizations which put gun rights above other rights. Sure there's that dissonance of enjoying shooting as a hobby at the same time, but the right to bear arms is so low on my priority list that I'd begrudgingly abolish it if it meant establishing progress towards an issue more important to me (education, equality, etc.). Still, I can't help feeling a small pang when I'm asked to surrender a hobby I enjoy, but at least I'd still have archery to fill some of that.

 

[Hip Hop]

You say you're sick of the rhetoric, but rhetoric streams from your fingertips in practically any thread that's gun-related. You're just as much a part of the problem as people on the other side who scoff at the introduction of sensible gun laws. It would be easier to take folks like you and hyperionx seriously if you didn't villainize the people you disagree with. You're never going to have a meaningful conversation that way.

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He is. It's always the same with him (and a lot of other people) and gun threads. Both sides need to be realistic about things. If there isn't a middle ground, it's not gonna work.

 

[LosDaddie]

Yup. Black Friday was good for many retail product. Truly a shocker.

I snatched up a few boxes of ammo from my local gun range on Black Friday. Best prices I've seen in a while. Should be set on ammo for a long while now, unless the wife & I go shooting more than usual.

If I wasn't flying th family up to NY for Christmas, then I would've finally bought the Mossberg shotgun I've been craving for a while now. Oh well. There'll be next year.

Yep



Lol nope, no overreaction here!

Remember, Outrage Culture doesn't exist either.

 

[Malyse]

Cali was a coincidence, right guys?

 

[Gnome Scat]

Fantastic. We'll all be safer now.

Spoiler

/s